r******j
发帖数: 8 | 1 这周末去了foxwoods，打了10hour+，起起落落，有些hand自认为打得不错，有些也
make了donkey call，贴几手印象比较深的牌出来，供大家讨论。
刚坐下没多久，拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。果然
一个MP LAG open 15, two callers。于是我make it 50 to go,希望他们fold。结果
original raiser fold,不过另外两个callers snap call，于是觉得大事不妙，我有点
overplay我的JJ了，加上position不好。flop出来一张K，只能check，第一个caller立
即bet 100，fold to me，我想了一会儿也fold了，raiser show了我AK，至少还算是个
nice fold。不过我觉得在UTG的地方不该这样打JJ，不知道大家怎么看？
接下来一段时间一直有draw，但是就是hit不上，连2次OESW都miss了，于是rebuy 200
，又一直down到35，都绝望了....一手AJ all in 赢了，于是有了接下来这手牌：LP
limp with 34s，flop 出来J25，2个diamonds，但跟我不一个花色...有人raise 10，
我想过shove，不过还是flat call了，于是加上我2 callers，original raiser和
caller都很loose。turn出来一张3，original raiser all in with 60。那个哥们想了
一会儿call了，我put他们一个是大flush draw，一个是mid pair maybe plus flush
draw too，于是觉得我的odds其实只有non-diamond A,6,3。4都不能算，因为很有可能
有人有Ad。我剩下50，于是跟大家说：usually I won't make this call, but I feel
like gambling this time，然后all in，river 又一张J。我都准备rebuy了，后来
show down，raiser是A high flush draw，另外一个人直接muck，我的pair 3赢了。。
。大家议论纷纷，说他们fold了多大多大的牌，我也很汗。
于是stack到了200，运气也开始好转。一手在UTG拿到KK，open with 12，4 callers，
一个新来的short stack all in with 80。我想了一下，决定flat call instead of
shoving，希望有人能call进来。果然有个哥们嘀咕了半天call，flop出来334，我all
in，他show了AKs，然后fold了，KK hold up。
接下来有2手牌，我都输了，觉得自己打得有问题，希望大家指教。第一手：一个LAG
open 12，我在BB call with 88。flop出来T48r,大喜，今晚第一次hit到set，在想怎
么从那个LAG extract max value。他bet 12，一个老黑call，我call。turn 9r，他继
续bet 15，我正在想要不要这时候reraise，老黑突然宣布all in with 60！擦！因为
老黑打得偏tight，我觉得他这时候的应该是two pair 或straight，straight可能性更
大。但也只能snap call，original raiser instant fold。老黑是JQ，gutshot成了，
hold up to river。于是这把输了80。后来在想：我是一早就想trap那个LAG的，没太
在意这个老黑，加上flop是个rainbow，危险不大。如果我flop reraise老黑肯定走，
问题是也trap不了那个LAG了。大家怎么看？如果有其他caller时要少trap，还是这把
就是那种该认命的牌，nothing else I can do better？
然后这把，来了一个new player，刚坐下来就open with 10，我在button上KQ，call。
flop出来Q62，他bet 15，我call，turn上another Q，他bet 30，我继续call。river
出来一张J，他bet 60，我想了好一会儿。因为这是第一手牌，对他没有任何read，他
的range里能beat我的只有AQ 或者JJ？JJ可能性太小，于是只剩下AQ。于是我说：i
know you got me, but I still call to find out。果然，他show AQ。于是这把输了
100+。以前我也遇到过一模一样的牌，我拿AQ，然后board是AA***，最后输给了AK大概
150+。就想问大家，这种牌应该怎么打，尤其是没有太多read时？应该在flop或者turn
上reraise一下去find out吧，不然我这样call太被动了。如果他再reraise我或者call
我的reraise，我就该小心了，因为他很可能有nuts，而我郁闷的拿着second nuts。请
大家指教！
从400 down到35，后来打到600，起起伏伏，cash out赢了100+，已经很满足了。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 JJ UTG limp raise is over played for sure.
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【在 r******j 的大作中提到】
: 这周末去了foxwoods，打了10hour+，起起落落，有些hand自认为打得不错，有些也
: make了donkey call，贴几手印象比较深的牌出来，供大家讨论。
: 刚坐下没多久，拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。果然
: 一个MP LAG open 15, two callers。于是我make it 50 to go,希望他们fold。结果
: original raiser fold,不过另外两个callers snap call，于是觉得大事不妙，我有点
: overplay我的JJ了，加上position不好。flop出来一张K，只能check，第一个caller立
: 即bet 100，fold to me，我想了一会儿也fold了，raiser show了我AK，至少还算是个
: nice fold。不过我觉得在UTG的地方不该这样打JJ，不知道大家怎么看？
: 接下来一段时间一直有draw，但是就是hit不上，连2次OESW都miss了，于是rebuy 200
: ，又一直down到35，都绝望了....一手AJ all in 赢了，于是有了接下来这手牌：LP
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 88 hand depends on opponents, flop raise is an option but not a must. you
were lucky he only got that much, tons of avg. ppl could easily lose $200+ on
river since they could not lay down.
KQ hand is not even the 2nd nuts, you played very carefully, not bad result
if you don't know them well enough.
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【在 r******j 的大作中提到】
: 这周末去了foxwoods，打了10hour+，起起落落，有些hand自认为打得不错，有些也
: make了donkey call，贴几手印象比较深的牌出来，供大家讨论。
: 刚坐下没多久，拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。果然
: 一个MP LAG open 15, two callers。于是我make it 50 to go,希望他们fold。结果
: original raiser fold,不过另外两个callers snap call，于是觉得大事不妙，我有点
: overplay我的JJ了，加上position不好。flop出来一张K，只能check，第一个caller立
: 即bet 100，fold to me，我想了一会儿也fold了，raiser show了我AK，至少还算是个
: nice fold。不过我觉得在UTG的地方不该这样打JJ，不知道大家怎么看？
: 接下来一段时间一直有draw，但是就是hit不上，连2次OESW都miss了，于是rebuy 200
: ，又一直down到35，都绝望了....一手AJ all in 赢了，于是有了接下来这手牌：LP
| T********n
发帖数: 528 | 4 88 hand I'm a fan of playing it fast on the flop especially when given the
chance to charge the field. Stack sizes aren't at the point (or so i think)
where you need to trap a real hand multi-street so just play it fast on the
flop he either has a hand where all his chips are going to the middle or it
will be really hard for you to trap him for much more chips. Plus you have
the benefit of a hitchhiker. | r******j
发帖数: 8 | 5
on
result
Yeah, I should have payed more attention to the other player. If it were
heads up, flat call may be a better choice. Now it seems flop raise is
better.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 88 hand depends on opponents, flop raise is an option but not a must. you
: were lucky he only got that much, tons of avg. ppl could easily lose $200+ on
: river since they could not lay down.
: KQ hand is not even the 2nd nuts, you played very carefully, not bad result
: if you don't know them well enough.
:
: 200
| r******j
发帖数: 8 | 6
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have
I think you are right. Playing fast saves trouble and would still get paid
off if he really has a hand.
【在 T********n 的大作中提到】
: 88 hand I'm a fan of playing it fast on the flop especially when given the
: chance to charge the field. Stack sizes aren't at the point (or so i think)
: where you need to trap a real hand multi-street so just play it fast on the
: flop he either has a hand where all his chips are going to the middle or it
: will be really hard for you to trap him for much more chips. Plus you have
: the benefit of a hitchhiker.
| b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 7 about the 88 hand, I remember used to read an article on a poker magazine
talking about it. After hitting a set, the author prefer to bet without
position and raise with position basically trying to test out what the
opponents have. if opponents have air, he bet, u call. he will stop betting
on turn unless he wanna reckless bluff, if opponents have sth he will not
fold to your raise cause u could raise with a flush draw or straight draw.
Check to him on the turn is better to trap him into a big bet on the river,
then u raise the river if board is not dangerous to get more money in the
pot. The author don't like check set to somebody either giving a free card
or not making the pot large enough. basically the idea is if opponents has
nothing u ain't gonna get value checking to him anyway. Bet to build a
bigger pot after flop.
in the specific case of yours, I'd raise for sure on the flop to eliminate
at least 1 caller. if only 1 caller, then i'd call to trap, if 2 caller, the
chance somebody drawing sth is too big, i am gonna raise a decent one. Just
my 2 cents.
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【在 r******j 的大作中提到】
: 这周末去了foxwoods，打了10hour+，起起落落，有些hand自认为打得不错，有些也
: make了donkey call，贴几手印象比较深的牌出来，供大家讨论。
: 刚坐下没多久，拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。果然
: 一个MP LAG open 15, two callers。于是我make it 50 to go,希望他们fold。结果
: original raiser fold,不过另外两个callers snap call，于是觉得大事不妙，我有点
: overplay我的JJ了，加上position不好。flop出来一张K，只能check，第一个caller立
: 即bet 100，fold to me，我想了一会儿也fold了，raiser show了我AK，至少还算是个
: nice fold。不过我觉得在UTG的地方不该这样打JJ，不知道大家怎么看？
: 接下来一段时间一直有draw，但是就是hit不上，连2次OESW都miss了，于是rebuy 200
: ，又一直down到35，都绝望了....一手AJ all in 赢了，于是有了接下来这手牌：LP
| D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 8 "拿到JJ在UTG，因为这桌人比较loose，所以打算limp后reraise。"
用JJ pre-flop reraise,有点奇怪。 |
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