a**o
发帖数: 730 | 1 1/2 NL.
hero at button with $170, UTG+2 raised to $6 with $190 behind.
hero called with A3s. BB called with $50 behind.
Flop
Ah Qs 3h
UTG+2 bet $12. hero raised to $30. BB called. UTG+2 All in.
Should I fold or call here? |
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 snap fold.
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL.
: hero at button with $170, UTG+2 raised to $6 with $190 behind.
: hero called with A3s. BB called with $50 behind.
: Flop
: Ah Qs 3h
: UTG+2 bet $12. hero raised to $30. BB called. UTG+2 All in.
: Should I fold or call here?
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 3 why is it? he could be AK, right? I have two pairs with back door flash draw.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: snap fold.
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 4 Live?
If so, a lot of people have huge bet sizing tell in live 1/2NL. You need
that information to make a decission. Is villain capable of over-playing AK
here?
In a vacuum, it's a fold to me.
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL.
: hero at button with $170, UTG+2 raised to $6 with $190 behind.
: hero called with A3s. BB called with $50 behind.
: Flop
: Ah Qs 3h
: UTG+2 bet $12. hero raised to $30. BB called. UTG+2 All in.
: Should I fold or call here?
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5
AK
+1
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: Live?
: If so, a lot of people have huge bet sizing tell in live 1/2NL. You need
: that information to make a decission. Is villain capable of over-playing AK
: here?
: In a vacuum, it's a fold to me.
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 6 Also, what type of player BB is？ The board is pretty dry. If he could cold
call oop with bare hearts draw, I'm feeling OK. any competent player would
only cold call here with 33, A3, AQ, AK, or maybe flush draw and a gutter. I
would be already hating my hand if BB is not a not a donk. |
a**o
发帖数: 730 | 7 In fact, I just sit on the table, do not know anything about them. Also I am
new to poker, do not know how to tell other people is overplaying the AK or
not. BB is on draw for sure. But I think I am really stupid, I put UTG+2 to
AK. So I called the all in. the BB called as well.
Turn 2s, river another Q
UTG+2 showed his A Q
BB showed his 10Jh
cold
I
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: Also, what type of player BB is？ The board is pretty dry. If he could cold
: call oop with bare hearts draw, I'm feeling OK. any competent player would
: only cold call here with 33, A3, AQ, AK, or maybe flush draw and a gutter. I
: would be already hating my hand if BB is not a not a donk.
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 8 You need to see showdowns to know if someone overplays TPTK. I like your
raise and raise sizing, but it's a fold against unknown to me. Kind of a
cooler though, sorry about that.
am
or
to
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: In fact, I just sit on the table, do not know anything about them. Also I am
: new to poker, do not know how to tell other people is overplaying the AK or
: not. BB is on draw for sure. But I think I am really stupid, I put UTG+2 to
: AK. So I called the all in. the BB called as well.
: Turn 2s, river another Q
: UTG+2 showed his A Q
: BB showed his 10Jh
:
: cold
: I
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 9 thanks for the help. I think my biggest problem now is I do not know when/
how to quit. For example, if I had overpair and someone all in after I
raised, I did the hero call all the times and lost. Is there any tips on
this or any suggestion of book/video? thanks.
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: You need to see showdowns to know if someone overplays TPTK. I like your
: raise and raise sizing, but it's a fold against unknown to me. Kind of a
: cooler though, sorry about that.
:
: am
: or
: to
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 "could be AK"，没错，但是这是常见的理想化之一，类似的情况很多，比如拿了lower
end str8，非觉得别人只是mid set或者top 2 pair之类正好被自己吃掉，而且也很难
fold的牌，而全然忽略了整个牌的发展过程，对手历史风格，目前情况，局中其他人。
认真想一下：
1)AK其实不过是他所有range里面的一手牌罢了，其他牌呢？考虑过吗？
2)preflop UTG open for $6，flop c-bet, 3-way，然后over shove这么强打TPTK的人
，你可以适当留心一下，现在这样的人还多不多？(on tilt，凌晨什么的例外)。换言
之，也可以问问你自己，你有多大可能性这么打AK？如果你自己都不太可能，为什么到
了对手那就那么可能呢？
3)top+bottom 2 pair和bottom 2 pair类似，本身就牌力而言，也是有缺陷的，有相当
被counterfeit的可能，不能不考虑；
4)backdoor flush draw在这种2 suited flop，3-way all-in，基本可以完全忽略。考
虑这个实际是给自己误导；
5)不熟悉的桌子，尤其加谨慎。你不熟悉对手，对手也不熟悉你，他既然就敢这么打，
牌力是比较强的。
具体到这把牌，你虽然花了6+30=$36，但是还有足够的筹码fold，而这把牌，有short
stack BB在里面，肯定可以看到showdown，里面的信息量比较大。
draw.
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: why is it? he could be AK, right? I have two pairs with back door flash draw.
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 11 赞分析！
我也觉得刚坐下其实可以fold。能beat的牌差不多只有AK了, 不能beat的牌有AQ,AA,QQ
,33了，还是不划算啊。
lower
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: "could be AK"，没错，但是这是常见的理想化之一，类似的情况很多，比如拿了lower
: end str8，非觉得别人只是mid set或者top 2 pair之类正好被自己吃掉，而且也很难
: fold的牌，而全然忽略了整个牌的发展过程，对手历史风格，目前情况，局中其他人。
: 认真想一下：
: 1)AK其实不过是他所有range里面的一手牌罢了，其他牌呢？考虑过吗？
: 2)preflop UTG open for $6，flop c-bet, 3-way，然后over shove这么强打TPTK的人
: ，你可以适当留心一下，现在这样的人还多不多？(on tilt，凌晨什么的例外)。换言
: 之，也可以问问你自己，你有多大可能性这么打AK？如果你自己都不太可能，为什么到
: 了对手那就那么可能呢？
: 3)top+bottom 2 pair和bottom 2 pair类似，本身就牌力而言，也是有缺陷的，有相当
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 12 For easy to access and free videos, I would recommend these two youtube
channel:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEeAzBGmo3BZi0X-k0V10rg
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG6lsLyu1BLUDdd8oq88VyQ
You can also sign up those pro training site for paid videos, or search for
hacked resource years ago.
They are all online poker, but still be helpful.
Don't make hero calls in 1/2 live, they are bad ideas 80% of the time.
People bluff far less than you would expect in 1/2 live.
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: thanks for the help. I think my biggest problem now is I do not know when/
: how to quit. For example, if I had overpair and someone all in after I
: raised, I did the hero call all the times and lost. Is there any tips on
: this or any suggestion of book/video? thanks.
|
m****9
发帖数: 492 | 13 有什么好的training site推荐吗？
for
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.1
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: For easy to access and free videos, I would recommend these two youtube
: channel:
: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEeAzBGmo3BZi0X-k0V10rg
: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG6lsLyu1BLUDdd8oq88VyQ
: You can also sign up those pro training site for paid videos, or search for
: hacked resource years ago.
: They are all online poker, but still be helpful.
: Don't make hero calls in 1/2 live, they are bad ideas 80% of the time.
: People bluff far less than you would expect in 1/2 live.
|
R******p
发帖数: 35 | 14 Deucescracked, cardrunners, runitonce. They are for small, mid+ grinders
online, not worth it for me at least:)
【在 m****9 的大作中提到】
: 有什么好的training site推荐吗？
:
: for
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.1
|
f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 这个和学开车的过程是一模一样的，经验使然。
新手学开车的时候，首先是紧张，然后是方向盘油门刹车不搞错，车能直着开就算好了。
而成了老手以后开车呢？才会根据经验(很多时候也是看人悟性快慢)，知道还有其他很
多信息需要分析，处理，辅助最终决策，这段路限速多少？右边那辆车好象一直想超车
？前面走A还是B，A路近但是下班这段会堵车...等等
打牌也是，比如你说的over pair，光抛开具体“路况”，讨论怎么打，该不该raise
call all-in是没有意义的，同一把牌打法太多了，从fold到re-shove，对具体人具体
局。
1)在你又一次摸到AA激动之余，还记得上一把AA/KK(同一session)你是怎么打的么？上
把你赢了，你的位置，过程，别人的反应是如何的？
2)目前你在什么位置，多深筹码，后面几个人是什么风格，什么状态，多少筹码？
3)preflop可能比较简单，bet size也差别不会很大，好了，现在3个人call，一个在前
,limp call得很大，另两个在后，一个历史上比较weak, missed flop基本会跑，而另
一个爱fancy play爱draw，你准备怎么办？
4)好了，你还是一如既往的c-bet 2/3 pot(这是不是最好决策？还是这么打习惯了？)
，这时候weak guy意外的call了，他还有多少？面上有哪些可能？你turn上准备如何？
或者，你bet，weak跑了，但是fancy guy突然raises，多大？他最近几圈是怎么打的？
它还剩多少？你要是call，或者raise或者shove，你觉得他会怎么样？.....
5)好了，你有点担心，但是又不甘心，很快就call了(他也会注意到这个)，turn上你
check，这时候他shove了XX刀，你一看pot“已经”很大了，说服自己“have to call
here”(好不容易才拿把AA，而且上次还赢了)....而这个问题其实在flop上就应该是考
虑到的，而不是这里。
仅供参考。
很多时候没牌其实不要紧，因为你有足够的注意力观察别人是怎么玩的，尤其是在各种
情况下的bet size，各人的反应，各人的具体心理状态(想搬本，怕输，心不在焉...)
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: thanks for the help. I think my biggest problem now is I do not know when/
: how to quit. For example, if I had overpair and someone all in after I
: raised, I did the hero call all the times and lost. Is there any tips on
: this or any suggestion of book/video? thanks.
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 16 这么丰富的资源，这个感恩节得好好学习一下了。
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: Deucescracked, cardrunners, runitonce. They are for small, mid+ grinders
: online, not worth it for me at least:)
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 17 Learned! Thanks a lot, very helpful.
lower
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: "could be AK"，没错，但是这是常见的理想化之一，类似的情况很多，比如拿了lower
: end str8，非觉得别人只是mid set或者top 2 pair之类正好被自己吃掉，而且也很难
: fold的牌，而全然忽略了整个牌的发展过程，对手历史风格，目前情况，局中其他人。
: 认真想一下：
: 1)AK其实不过是他所有range里面的一手牌罢了，其他牌呢？考虑过吗？
: 2)preflop UTG open for $6，flop c-bet, 3-way，然后over shove这么强打TPTK的人
: ，你可以适当留心一下，现在这样的人还多不多？(on tilt，凌晨什么的例外)。换言
: 之，也可以问问你自己，你有多大可能性这么打AK？如果你自己都不太可能，为什么到
: 了对手那就那么可能呢？
: 3)top+bottom 2 pair和bottom 2 pair类似，本身就牌力而言，也是有缺陷的，有相当
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 18 好多资料，多谢推荐。我加入了bluefire, 里面很多不错的视频，正在研究。
for
【在 R******p 的大作中提到】
: For easy to access and free videos, I would recommend these two youtube
: channel:
: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEeAzBGmo3BZi0X-k0V10rg
: http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG6lsLyu1BLUDdd8oq88VyQ
: You can also sign up those pro training site for paid videos, or search for
: hacked resource years ago.
: They are all online poker, but still be helpful.
: Don't make hero calls in 1/2 live, they are bad ideas 80% of the time.
: People bluff far less than you would expect in 1/2 live.
|
a**o
发帖数: 730 | 19 说的太对了，正是我的问题所在！本本记下来了，每天背三边。
了。
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 这个和学开车的过程是一模一样的，经验使然。
: 新手学开车的时候，首先是紧张，然后是方向盘油门刹车不搞错，车能直着开就算好了。
: 而成了老手以后开车呢？才会根据经验(很多时候也是看人悟性快慢)，知道还有其他很
: 多信息需要分析，处理，辅助最终决策，这段路限速多少？右边那辆车好象一直想超车
: ？前面走A还是B，A路近但是下班这段会堵车...等等
: 打牌也是，比如你说的over pair，光抛开具体“路况”，讨论怎么打，该不该raise
: call all-in是没有意义的，同一把牌打法太多了，从fold到re-shove，对具体人具体
: 局。
: 1)在你又一次摸到AA激动之余，还记得上一把AA/KK(同一session)你是怎么打的么？上
: 把你赢了，你的位置，过程，别人的反应是如何的？
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 这牌flop vs unknown on 1/2 live table 85bb effective stack plus a short
stack. 个人觉得 Call > raise call >
raise fold
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 NL.
: hero at button with $170, UTG+2 raised to $6 with $190 behind.
: hero called with A3s. BB called with $50 behind.
: Flop
: Ah Qs 3h
: UTG+2 bet $12. hero raised to $30. BB called. UTG+2 All in.
: Should I fold or call here?
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 21 +1
just call. short BB is bonus here and will help you define UTG+2's strength.
..
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这牌flop vs unknown on 1/2 live table 85bb effective stack plus a short
: stack. 个人觉得 Call > raise call >
: raise fold
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 22 请教大哥们 UTG 那个spot all in是不是也有点overplay乐? |
s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 23 I think so, raise is better.
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 请教大哥们 UTG 那个spot all in是不是也有点overplay乐?
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