j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 1 1-2-2 table，$4 to open
SB, ~30 white guy, local casino reg, ~$200
MP, asian 20+ guy, local casino reg, ~130
I just moved to this table due to a broken table with $250. Folded ~10 hands
PF before this hand, and tried to built-up a TAG image
MP open to $10, I was dealt with 5h8h on the left of him, called. Tatol 6
people joined the flop, including BT.
Flop, Qh,7d,4h. SB, BB, EP checked, MP bet $30, I sensed some weakness a
nd decided to play tricky. So I raised to $90, dealer folded. But, SB sudden
ly pushed All-in with $200. BB and EP both foled, and MP tanked a while and
reluctantly called with the rest ~$100 chips.
What should I do? I have ~$150 left and need to put in ~$100 to call. | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 2 of coz call
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【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 1-2-2 table，$4 to open
: SB, ~30 white guy, local casino reg, ~$200
: MP, asian 20+ guy, local casino reg, ~130
: I just moved to this table due to a broken table with $250. Folded ~10 hands
: PF before this hand, and tried to built-up a TAG image
: MP open to $10, I was dealt with 5h8h on the left of him, called. Tatol 6
: people joined the flop, including BT.
: Flop, Qh,7d,4h. SB, BB, EP checked, MP bet $30, I sensed some weakness a
: nd decided to play tricky. So I raised to $90, dealer folded. But, SB sudden
: ly pushed All-in with $200. BB and EP both foled, and MP tanked a while and
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 3 Maybe one of the biggest money sucker hand in live poker. Ppl think combo
draw is so strong and they has to play it very aggressively every single
time, as if they think there is no way they can miss the draw.
Numerous times I see ppl put raise / reraise / call with combo draw with
full stack and only see brick turn and river and lost their whole stack with
100bb+, 150bb or more.
Even worse, every poker book will tell you you get right odds to call almost
every hand so ppl think they played nothing wrong and keep doing it again
and again.
Here comes the worst part, if action is heavy in multi-way pot, like 3-way
in your case, it is not uncommon to see someone chasing a higher flush draw
than your 8 high flush draw. It is now your worst nightmare: you only have a
very few outs and you already put your whole stacks in.
So for you own sake, don't play your combo draw aggressively unless:
1. You just want to gamble
or 2. You are very sure your opponents' hand are weak and you have a lot of
folding equity. | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 4 right, if it is a flush draw, better to be the nut flush draw. But still I
don't see anything wrong the way he played his hand. There is nothing wrong
to gamble as long as you have >50% odds.
with
almost
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Maybe one of the biggest money sucker hand in live poker. Ppl think combo
: draw is so strong and they has to play it very aggressively every single
: time, as if they think there is no way they can miss the draw.
: Numerous times I see ppl put raise / reraise / call with combo draw with
: full stack and only see brick turn and river and lost their whole stack with
: 100bb+, 150bb or more.
: Even worse, every poker book will tell you you get right odds to call almost
: every hand so ppl think they played nothing wrong and keep doing it again
: and again.
: Here comes the worst part, if action is heavy in multi-way pot, like 3-way
| a**o
发帖数: 730 | 5 My 2cents:
1) Never play 58s, esp. cold-call 5BB raise.
2) Flop, raise is really bad facing 6 people without nuts.
3) As played, Pot is 480, you just need 100 to call, so it is 4.8:1. you
have 13 outs, which is nearly 1:1. The odds are good, so you should call if
no one else has higher flush draw. But if MP has a higher flush draw, you
only have 4 outs, which makes your odd very bad. SB has nut for sure, most
likely a set. Not sure if the MP will allin on the flush draw, it will
depend on your read.
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sudden
and
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 1-2-2 table，$4 to open
: SB, ~30 white guy, local casino reg, ~$200
: MP, asian 20+ guy, local casino reg, ~130
: I just moved to this table due to a broken table with $250. Folded ~10 hands
: PF before this hand, and tried to built-up a TAG image
: MP open to $10, I was dealt with 5h8h on the left of him, called. Tatol 6
: people joined the flop, including BT.
: Flop, Qh,7d,4h. SB, BB, EP checked, MP bet $30, I sensed some weakness a
: nd decided to play tricky. So I raised to $90, dealer folded. But, SB sudden
: ly pushed All-in with $200. BB and EP both foled, and MP tanked a while and
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 6 what hands do you put MP and SB on? Will you mind share your thoughts on it?
with
almost
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: Maybe one of the biggest money sucker hand in live poker. Ppl think combo
: draw is so strong and they has to play it very aggressively every single
: time, as if they think there is no way they can miss the draw.
: Numerous times I see ppl put raise / reraise / call with combo draw with
: full stack and only see brick turn and river and lost their whole stack with
: 100bb+, 150bb or more.
: Even worse, every poker book will tell you you get right odds to call almost
: every hand so ppl think they played nothing wrong and keep doing it again
: and again.
: Here comes the worst part, if action is heavy in multi-way pot, like 3-way
| a**o
发帖数: 730 | 7 I think it really depends on your read. Assume they are all tight, My guess:
SB: 77, 44
MP: AA, KK, QQ, AhKh, AhQx, AxQx, AhJh, Ah10h
it?
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: what hands do you put MP and SB on? Will you mind share your thoughts on it?
:
: with
: almost
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 8 Since MP and SB are local reg, so u must have read on them. What's the game
flow at that time? Loose table w/ ppl pushing w/ draw? or ppl play tight
and Push w/ nuts? What's ur long time image to them ( assuming they know u
too). The worst for u is one of the two player on higher flush draw. If u
believe so, should fold. If u think both had mad hands, so u have good odds
to call.
Ask ur self , why u 3 bet on the flop? Want to take down the pot? W/ pot
already 180, MP only needs 60 to see the turn. So very likely at least MP
will call if no others. If more than one caller, that give even more odds to
MP. Now u facing resistance and pressure, do u have a plan for that when
u 3-bet?
As played, to build ur tough image in a long time, call here is totally ok
play.
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【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 1-2-2 table，$4 to open
: SB, ~30 white guy, local casino reg, ~$200
: MP, asian 20+ guy, local casino reg, ~130
: I just moved to this table due to a broken table with $250. Folded ~10 hands
: PF before this hand, and tried to built-up a TAG image
: MP open to $10, I was dealt with 5h8h on the left of him, called. Tatol 6
: people joined the flop, including BT.
: Flop, Qh,7d,4h. SB, BB, EP checked, MP bet $30, I sensed some weakness a
: nd decided to play tricky. So I raised to $90, dealer folded. But, SB sudden
: ly pushed All-in with $200. BB and EP both foled, and MP tanked a while and
| j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 9 Thanks for everyone's input!
I do not have a clear read on any of them, and because MP and SB chatted to
each other about their play last night, so I assume they are REG at this cas
ino.
Why I 3-bet flop? 1) I want to take downt the pot 2) I want to push out high
er flush draw (probably my bet is not big enough).
The board is Qh, 7d, 4h, 5h, 4c.
SB had Ahxh flush, and MP had KsQs.
game
u
odds
to
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: Since MP and SB are local reg, so u must have read on them. What's the game
: flow at that time? Loose table w/ ppl pushing w/ draw? or ppl play tight
: and Push w/ nuts? What's ur long time image to them ( assuming they know u
: too). The worst for u is one of the two player on higher flush draw. If u
: believe so, should fold. If u think both had mad hands, so u have good odds
: to call.
: Ask ur self , why u 3 bet on the flop? Want to take down the pot? W/ pot
: already 180, MP only needs 60 to see the turn. So very likely at least MP
: will call if no others. If more than one caller, that give even more odds to
: MP. Now u facing resistance and pressure, do u have a plan for that when
| p*z
发帖数: 111 | 10 You could only push out medium flush draw, right? A high flush draw will go
nowhere and K high flush draw is also likely to stay... so you can only push
out J high or lower...
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cas
high
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for everyone's input!
: I do not have a clear read on any of them, and because MP and SB chatted to
: each other about their play last night, so I assume they are REG at this cas
: ino.
: Why I 3-bet flop? 1) I want to take downt the pot 2) I want to push out high
: er flush draw (probably my bet is not big enough).
: The board is Qh, 7d, 4h, 5h, 4c.
: SB had Ahxh flush, and MP had KsQs.
:
: game
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 11 1. as I said, the pot is already 180 after your 3bet. MP very likely will
call. So you really can't take down the pot by 3bet.
2. with relatively low stack for you and the other players, the folding
equality is really low, especially on the 1/2NL table.
As played, if push on the flop, I would shove at your spot.
to
cas
high
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for everyone's input!
: I do not have a clear read on any of them, and because MP and SB chatted to
: each other about their play last night, so I assume they are REG at this cas
: ino.
: Why I 3-bet flop? 1) I want to take downt the pot 2) I want to push out high
: er flush draw (probably my bet is not big enough).
: The board is Qh, 7d, 4h, 5h, 4c.
: SB had Ahxh flush, and MP had KsQs.
:
: game
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 This is a clear fold preflop. Yes 58s sucks. More importantly,
1) Original raiser is way too short of a stack
2) you are next to react after MP. Every other player who might call will
react after you post flop after MP's action. Worst position.
Post flop actions seem less of an issue. You are in a very bad place no
matter how you play it because of the two reasons above.
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【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 1-2-2 table，$4 to open
: SB, ~30 white guy, local casino reg, ~$200
: MP, asian 20+ guy, local casino reg, ~130
: I just moved to this table due to a broken table with $250. Folded ~10 hands
: PF before this hand, and tried to built-up a TAG image
: MP open to $10, I was dealt with 5h8h on the left of him, called. Tatol 6
: people joined the flop, including BT.
: Flop, Qh,7d,4h. SB, BB, EP checked, MP bet $30, I sensed some weakness a
: nd decided to play tricky. So I raised to $90, dealer folded. But, SB sudden
: ly pushed All-in with $200. BB and EP both foled, and MP tanked a while and
| m******1
发帖数: 715 | 13 现场牌桌经常是limpfare, limp w "sc" in position 也还好吧。 只是LZ不幸遭遇SB
sandbag.
同一付牌,买买提5个牌友5个思路, LZ怎么打都说的过去,禾禾。
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: This is a clear fold preflop. Yes 58s sucks. More importantly,
: 1) Original raiser is way too short of a stack
: 2) you are next to react after MP. Every other player who might call will
: react after you post flop after MP's action. Worst position.
: Post flop actions seem less of an issue. You are in a very bad place no
: matter how you play it because of the two reasons above.
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