p****0
发帖数: 611 | 1 1/2 full table. Villain is a good aggressive regular. Moved to this table
and quickly loss one buy in. He raised to 15 PF most of the time, won some
of the pots. showdown cards are AK,AQ, decent pair, connectors, or suited
cards. Hero had stack about 800. Villain had about 400. Villain just won a
pot after his 15 raising PF. Then came to this hand:
Hero was dealt KK at BB. Villain at MP raised to 15 as usual. folded to
hero. Hero was sure it will be heads up situation. So hero just called.
Flop As3d6d. Hero check. V c-bet 45. Hero called.
Turn 9s. Hero check. V 2nd barrel 110. Hero called.
River Qs. Hero check again. V quickly 3rd barrels 200. Hero ? | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 2 先说说你的思路吧.
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 full table. Villain is a good aggressive regular. Moved to this table
: and quickly loss one buy in. He raised to 15 PF most of the time, won some
: of the pots. showdown cards are AK,AQ, decent pair, connectors, or suited
: cards. Hero had stack about 800. Villain had about 400. Villain just won a
: pot after his 15 raising PF. Then came to this hand:
: Hero was dealt KK at BB. Villain at MP raised to 15 as usual. folded to
: hero. Hero was sure it will be heads up situation. So hero just called.
: Flop As3d6d. Hero check. V c-bet 45. Hero called.
: Turn 9s. Hero check. V 2nd barrel 110. Hero called.
: River Qs. Hero check again. V quickly 3rd barrels 200. Hero ?
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 3 First, I didn't raise at BB PF, so hard to narrow down villain's range。
After flop, I can do nothing but check, Villain c-bet, so Ax, two pairs, or
set is completely in his c-bet range. Villain may also have decent pair or
completely air.
When I called his c-bet on the flop. My hand is kinda of strong too. Villain
knows that too. Turn blank, he 2nd barrel about the pot size. I decided to
call since my KK had showdown value on the river.
On the river, I didn't put him on flush. And apparently, flush to me is two
far away, Villain should be able to figure that out. He 3rd barrel 200,
let me put him on AQ, or TPGK, or two pairs. So I finally fold my hand.
Anything wrong with my thinking?
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 先说说你的思路吧.
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 对手c bet 总是over pot size 那么大吗？
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 full table. Villain is a good aggressive regular. Moved to this table
: and quickly loss one buy in. He raised to 15 PF most of the time, won some
: of the pots. showdown cards are AK,AQ, decent pair, connectors, or suited
: cards. Hero had stack about 800. Villain had about 400. Villain just won a
: pot after his 15 raising PF. Then came to this hand:
: Hero was dealt KK at BB. Villain at MP raised to 15 as usual. folded to
: hero. Hero was sure it will be heads up situation. So hero just called.
: Flop As3d6d. Hero check. V c-bet 45. Hero called.
: Turn 9s. Hero check. V 2nd barrel 110. Hero called.
: River Qs. Hero check again. V quickly 3rd barrels 200. Hero ?
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 5 差不多。很少 thin value bet。 When I fold, I said very good bet. And
villain said he's going to bet no matter what the river comes out.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 对手c bet 总是over pot size 那么大吗？
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 感觉call 了turn, 就该call river. 否则turn 就跑吧。
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 差不多。很少 thin value bet。 When I fold, I said very good bet. And
: villain said he's going to bet no matter what the river comes out.
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 7 My 2c, assuming no particular tell about this villain
1. Overall, it looks like the way u play is trying to induce bluff with KK
on A high board.
2. Calling flop cbet is understandable. It seems to me calling turn means
committed, considering the bet size and the stack. I would either fold or
shove there.
or
Villain
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: First, I didn't raise at BB PF, so hard to narrow down villain's range。
: After flop, I can do nothing but check, Villain c-bet, so Ax, two pairs, or
: set is completely in his c-bet range. Villain may also have decent pair or
: completely air.
: When I called his c-bet on the flop. My hand is kinda of strong too. Villain
: knows that too. Turn blank, he 2nd barrel about the pot size. I decided to
: call since my KK had showdown value on the river.
: On the river, I didn't put him on flush. And apparently, flush to me is two
: far away, Villain should be able to figure that out. He 3rd barrel 200,
: let me put him on AQ, or TPGK, or two pairs. So I finally fold my hand.
| z******n
发帖数: 8851 | 8 My 2c,
LZ didn't raise preflop, so it's hard to put him on AK or AQ, if he shove on
the turn, will be called by a better hand AT+ or set (most likely villian
range), all others will be folded, so not +EV.
I would raise preflop from BB, since you don't have position post flop, as
played, i would fold on river if not on the turn. You can't win a big pot by
calling preflop with deception, then it's time to lose a small one :-)
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: My 2c, assuming no particular tell about this villain
: 1. Overall, it looks like the way u play is trying to induce bluff with KK
: on A high board.
: 2. Calling flop cbet is understandable. It seems to me calling turn means
: committed, considering the bet size and the stack. I would either fold or
: shove there.
:
: or
: Villain
: to
| a**o
发帖数: 730 | 9 我也常有同样的疑惑，怎么玩KK? 我看很多人说，如果你确定会headup, 那么3bet KK
会让别人fold掉AQ, QQ等weak hand, 所以他们推荐flat KK. 昨天我赌场也见证了一个
good player trap with KK. One raise $15, good player call with KK. Flop K 2
3, The original raiser bet bet bet, the good player called all the way and
got a very nice pot. The original raiser showed AK.
但是他这种情况，KK有position。 如果是你这种情况，你没有position， 依然是flat
KK好呢还是3bet?
table
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【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 full table. Villain is a good aggressive regular. Moved to this table
: and quickly loss one buy in. He raised to 15 PF most of the time, won some
: of the pots. showdown cards are AK,AQ, decent pair, connectors, or suited
: cards. Hero had stack about 800. Villain had about 400. Villain just won a
: pot after his 15 raising PF. Then came to this hand:
: Hero was dealt KK at BB. Villain at MP raised to 15 as usual. folded to
: hero. Hero was sure it will be heads up situation. So hero just called.
: Flop As3d6d. Hero check. V c-bet 45. Hero called.
: Turn 9s. Hero check. V 2nd barrel 110. Hero called.
: River Qs. Hero check again. V quickly 3rd barrels 200. Hero ?
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 10 也许live和online不一样, 我个人是一定会3bet KK的, online 100BB stack一般人不
会fold QQ的, 如果是BB vs BTN之类的AQ估计也不会fold, 而且我还需要KK来balance
我更多的3bet垃圾牌.
KK
2
and
flat
【在 a**o 的大作中提到】
: 我也常有同样的疑惑，怎么玩KK? 我看很多人说，如果你确定会headup, 那么3bet KK
: 会让别人fold掉AQ, QQ等weak hand, 所以他们推荐flat KK. 昨天我赌场也见证了一个
: good player trap with KK. One raise $15, good player call with KK. Flop K 2
: 3, The original raiser bet bet bet, the good player called all the way and
: got a very nice pot. The original raiser showed AK.
: 但是他这种情况，KK有position。 如果是你这种情况，你没有position， 依然是flat
: KK好呢还是3bet?
:
: table
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| | | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 11 一般情况，我会3bet w/ KK. 当时的情况想trap, 不想3bet 暴露牌力。问题就是我
flat 之后对方的 rang 也无法知道。在OOP情况下还是很难打的，特别是面对good
aggressive player. 现在想想还是该preflop raise, flop 之后就好打多了。或者就
像暴风MM说得那样，call turn, then call river.
balance
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【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 也许live和online不一样, 我个人是一定会3bet KK的, online 100BB stack一般人不
: 会fold QQ的, 如果是BB vs BTN之类的AQ估计也不会fold, 而且我还需要KK来balance
: 我更多的3bet垃圾牌.
:
: KK
: 2
: and
: flat
| A*******e
发帖数: 4024 | 12 我觉得至少如果我slow play 我的KK, 我会在turn上fold,特别是在没有position的情
况下又面对一个good player.另外我偶尔也会check raise the flop.
But definitely fold the turn if he put a serious bet on the turn.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 一般情况，我会3bet w/ KK. 当时的情况想trap, 不想3bet 暴露牌力。问题就是我
: flat 之后对方的 rang 也无法知道。在OOP情况下还是很难打的，特别是面对good
: aggressive player. 现在想想还是该preflop raise, flop 之后就好打多了。或者就
: 像暴风MM说得那样，call turn, then call river.
:
: balance
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| R******d
发帖数: 976 | | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 14 可是raise多少呢?
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】
: raise on flop怎马样？
| R******d
发帖数: 976 | 15 90 or 100. If v doesn't show any weakness, fold on the 4th.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 可是raise多少呢?
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