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TexasHoldem版 - 诚心请教大对如何对付Flush Draw (NL Cash Game)
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t*********t
发帖数: 1058
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我偶尔去南加附近的赌场打打扑克,遇见了好几次Flush Draw,都是All In输了。我具
体记得的有如下几手。恳请大家指点指点。
1/3 and 2/5 NL cash game. Both had decent stacks (75 to 150 BB). Most
players were tight aggressive and a few were loose passive.
~~
Hand 1 - 1/3 NL.
Hero (BB): AA
Preflop: Several limped in. Hero raised to 15. Two cold called.
Flop: 3h4h9c. Hero raised to 25. One folded. Villain (CO) raised to 50. Hero
shoved. Villain turned up his cards, 2h8h, and examined Hero for several
minutes and asked Hero if he wanted him to call. Hero was a little nervous
and Villain decided to call.
Turn: blank.
River: 10h and Villain took the pot.
~~
Hand 2 - 1/3 NL
Hero (UTG): KK
Preflop: UTG raised to 25. Villain MP called.
Flop: 2s3s5c. UTG cbet 25. Villain raised to 50. Hero raised to 100. Villain
called and had only about 50 left.
Turn: Kc. Hero shoved. Villain called.
Riverside: 10s and Villain showed As7s and took the pot.
~~~
Hand 3 - 2/5 NL. Villain called a lot.
Hero: JTo, MP.
Preflop: Several players limped in.
Flop: JsTs2c. Checked to Hero and Hero bet 25. Villain called. The player
before Hero called. Others folded.
Turn: 7d. Player before me bet 25, I snap raised to 50. Villain snap called.
The player before me snap shoved. Hero folded. Villain snap called.
River: 4s. Villain showed As6s and won the pot.
~~~
Should I shove with these hands? When I knew they were drawing for flush, I
didn't want them to get their cards cheap. So, I shoved a lot with big
pocket pair or better. When is the best time to shove? At Turn? Should I be
more careful when there is a possibility for straight + flush draw and just
check to River to be safe?
On a related question, if you are drawing for flush, should you shove at
flop?
Thanks a lot in advance!
x*******0
发帖数: 94
2
楼主与其发帖请教 还不如改成 发帖吐槽。
看不出你有什么问题,除了爱all in以外。all in也没错,谁叫人家爱call 你all in
with flush draw呢。这个不就是利润最大化吗,结果败给运气。挺气人的。
但请不要忘记,运气其实是talent,有些人生来就比你运气好,你不能不服。
只能安慰一下楼主了。
t*********t
发帖数: 1058
3
谢谢回复。我有了大牌,尤其是big pocket pair就有些激动,总是在flop上想all in
。后来想想可能应该再看一张牌,如果turn blank,再all in,估计flush draw的人不
敢再轻易call了。

in

【在 x*******0 的大作中提到】
: 楼主与其发帖请教 还不如改成 发帖吐槽。
: 看不出你有什么问题,除了爱all in以外。all in也没错,谁叫人家爱call 你all in
: with flush draw呢。这个不就是利润最大化吗,结果败给运气。挺气人的。
: 但请不要忘记,运气其实是talent,有些人生来就比你运气好,你不能不服。
: 只能安慰一下楼主了。

q****8
发帖数: 3281
4
你应该是希望比你弱的牌call,而不是想尽办法不想让比你弱的牌call。。。

in

【在 t*********t 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢回复。我有了大牌,尤其是big pocket pair就有些激动,总是在flop上想all in
: 。后来想想可能应该再看一张牌,如果turn blank,再all in,估计flush draw的人不
: 敢再轻易call了。
:
: in

g******n
发帖数: 53185
5
我的经验是赌场很多人有赌性,喜欢draw。如果你在flop推all in, 对方有两张牌可以
看,很多人会draw flush 或者strait。如果你只是bet个pot size,让他们多看一张牌
,如果他们在turn上没draw到,这时你all in,他们很多会fold。但也不完全是,比如
Ace high flush draw的人会call 到底,或者short stack的也会call.
e********9
发帖数: 444
6
遇到这种情况,感觉真心无解
我有用flush + gut shot straight draw 干翻别人的时候
也有top pair被straight draw打败的时候
也有苦等两条街flush + straight draw不中的时候
我是新手,在pokerstar玩$7的tournament
不少人喜欢这样的semi-bluff
策略只能是愿赌服输吧
http://www.pokerology.com/lessons/drawing-odds/
8 outs turn+river 31.5%
8 outs river 17.4%
9 outs turn+river 35%
9 outs river 19.6%
概率是不是给top pair或set很多信心?
倒底出什么牌只有上帝知道
t*********t
发帖数: 1058
7
Good advice. I think I will do that in the future.
Yesterday I have AA and raised preflop and flop and one called and other
allin. Two clubs on the flop (Kc Qh 4c) and I figured out one or two of them
has a draw. The Turn is blank, I raised to 150, the remaining caller called
. Turn is Kd. Both checked.
The short stack won the pot with Kc 3c. The other one has Ac 5c. I took the
side pot.

【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 我的经验是赌场很多人有赌性,喜欢draw。如果你在flop推all in, 对方有两张牌可以
: 看,很多人会draw flush 或者strait。如果你只是bet个pot size,让他们多看一张牌
: ,如果他们在turn上没draw到,这时你all in,他们很多会fold。但也不完全是,比如
: Ace high flush draw的人会call 到底,或者short stack的也会call.

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