p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 1 这几天查了一些数据，主要是想看看 endurance athletes 的体重，BMI。
Endurance
Name （sports）- height, weight, BMI
Lance Armstrong (cycling) - 5'9", 157, 23.2
Andy schleck (cycling) - 6'1,146,19.3
Mark Cavendish (cycling)-5'9,152,22.4
Cadel Evans (cycling) -5'9,147,21.7
Kenenisa Bekele (distance running) - 5'4",120,20.6
Hicham El-Gerrouj (mid distance running) - 5'9", 128, 18.9
Haile Gebrselassie (distance running) - 5'5", 123, 20.5
Scott Jurek (vegan ultrarunner) - 6'2",165,21.2
Dean Karnazes(ultra runner) - 5'8", 150,23.4
Paula Radcliffe( marathon runner ) - 5'8,120,18.2
Chris McCormack (triathlon) - 5'11, 150, 20.9
Chrissie WellingtonHeight(Ironman ) - 5' 7",132, 20.8
Craig AlexanderHeight(Ironman ) - 5'11",150,21.0
Michael Phelps (swimming) - 6'4", 195,23.1
Mark Spitz (swimming) - 6'0",174,23.6
Sun Yang (swimming) - 6'6,180,20.8
Wu peng ( swimming) - 6'0, 187,25.4
数据就这些，不过可以看的出来，BMI基本上都在20以上。BMI的正常值应该在18.5 ～
24.5之间，endurance athletes的BMI属于正常范围内，但是偏低，也就是说 lean but
fit。 | p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 2 我BMI是17.5，已经在正常值以外了，我有的时候觉得体能跟不上，可能是体重的问题
。 | R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 3 赞统计， 多吃些肉蛋奶， 长些lean muscle, 女的还要补钙补铁....
耐力运动其实对肌肉的要求非常高....
另外体能是慢慢build起来的， 10% rule...我以前如果跑100mpw,
会觉得非常累， 现在基本没啥感觉了， 跑完long run还能逛街...
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: 我BMI是17.5，已经在正常值以外了，我有的时候觉得体能跟不上，可能是体重的问题
: 。
| w***n
发帖数: 9040 | | i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 5 你该不会是有eating disorder了吧？
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Tri/31157859.html
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【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: 这几天查了一些数据，主要是想看看 endurance athletes 的体重，BMI。
: Endurance
: Name （sports）- height, weight, BMI
: Lance Armstrong (cycling) - 5'9", 157, 23.2
: Andy schleck (cycling) - 6'1,146,19.3
: Mark Cavendish (cycling)-5'9,152,22.4
: Cadel Evans (cycling) -5'9,147,21.7
: Kenenisa Bekele (distance running) - 5'4",120,20.6
: Hicham El-Gerrouj (mid distance running) - 5'9", 128, 18.9
: Haile Gebrselassie (distance running) - 5'5", 123, 20.5
| w********6
发帖数: 12977 | 6 你真瘦啊，你应该查女生的BMI， 应该高些，我们俩换一下多好啊，我BMI大约24左右
，对于女生正好。 | p********y
发帖数: 5141 | 7 On one hand BMI is a handy metric for measuring obesity, it does not give
enough information to tell your fitness and endurance level. I have came
across an article a couple of years ago on this issue, which I totally agree
with.
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Fat or Fiction? Why You Should Be Wary Of Your BMI
Budding runners may be overweight, according to the Body Mass Index. But
despite being used by the government to measure obesity, you shouldn't be
put off by this outdated and unscientific formula.
Forgive the personal nature of this question, but how fat are you? Are you
running to lose weight? Or have you come to Runner's World because you feel
a little on the large side and don't know how to start?
Unless you've spent the past few years under a duvet, you've probably heard
about the 'obesity crisis'. More than two-thirds of Brits are either
overweight or obese, according to the government. But how do they know this?
They rely on the Body Mass Index (BMI). It's a well-known formula for
calculating your 'healthy' weight, which the government uses in surveys and
the World Health Organisation uses for measuring global obesity. But this so
-called 'crisis', where we keep being told that we are fat and useless,
could be a self-fulfilling prophecy, in that it discourages people from
pulling on some running shoes and doing something about it.
And that's wrong, because the first thing you should know is that the BMI is
ancient, and largely unscientific. It was devised as long ago as 1869 by
Adolphe Quetelet, a Belgian astronomer who decided that, for adults, weight
should be proportional to the square of the height. That's how he devised
the formula we still use today: your weight in kilograms divided by your
height in metres squared. In broad terms, if your score is greater than 25,
you are overweight. If your score is 30 or more, you are obese.
Yet although the formula is proportional, it is much less accurate than it
was 140 years ago. We are simply very different shapes and weights to mid-
19th-century people.
Most of the world's top runners have healthy BMIs, but they are athletes
with personal coaches and nutritionists. Sprinters, for example, are bigger
because they are built for power and speed over endurance – but this
highlights the problem with the BMI. Recently crowned European 60m indoor
champion Dwain Chambers is technically overweight, despite kicking the
steroids, and so was former world-record holder Maurice Greene when he won
the Olympic 100m in 2004. His successor, Usain Bolt, is not, but that is
because he's 200ft tall and runs on wheels.
OK, he doesn't really, and he's actually 6ft 5in (196cm), and 13.8 stone (
88kg), with a healthy BMI of 22.3. But that's in large part why his success
at last year's Olympics confounded seasoned experts and coaches, because he'
s far less muscular than the top sprinters of the past 20 years. This
highlights the BMI's greatest flaw, particularly for runners. It cannot
differentiate between muscle and fat. It doesn't account for body type or
bone density. It pays no attention to your age, and cannot possibly take
into your account your cardiovascular efficiency, stride length or genetic
ability to run.
So while the BMI is a handy guide for nagging government ministers, it's
oversimplistic and, frankly, out of date.
Scientists from the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, USA, are also questioning the
accuracy of the BMI. Looking at data from 40 studies involving 250,000
people with heart disease, they found that overweight people had fewer heart
problems than those with a normal BMI.
The good news is that not all government departments are hung up on the BMI.
Sports minister Gerry Sutcliffe says, "The Department Of Health uses the
BMI, but we tend to measure participation in sport. We use the 3 x 30
minutes a week measure." Which is to say that being active for 30 minutes,
three times a week is healthy for your heart and weight.
Noel Pollock, sport and exercise medicine physician for UK Athletics, goes
one step further, but broadly makes the same point. "The NHS chief medical
officer's advice is 30 minutes of moderate-intensity exercise five times per
week. It's a good initial goal. It can be done in several 10-minute bouts
because this is as effective as one longer bout of exercise."
So ignore the doom-mongers. "Running is a sport that anyone can take up,"
says Sutcliffe. "Events like the London Marathon prove this as thousands of
people of all ages and abilities cross the finish line every year. Running
is fun, convenient and, best of all, it's free."
There is another way
It's called the waist-hip ratio, and as a measure of obesity it's far more
useful to you as runner. All you have to do is divide your waist in
centimetres by your hips in centimetres – Australian researchers claim it
is a more accurate indicator of obesity and, more importantly, your health,
than the BMI.
During an 11-year study of 9,000 adults, they found that men whose waist-hip
ratio was 1.0 or more were more likely to suffer from the cardiovascular
problems associated with obesity. We don't want you to keel over, so this is
one simple test worth taking at home – all you need is a tape measure –
before you see your GP, start running or, for that matter, feel any chest
pain while running.
Neville Rigby, who was formerly director of policy for the International
Association for the Study of Obesity, agrees that the tide has turned
against the BMI. "One of the biggest problems is abdominal obesity, which
the BMI doesn't take into account. Stomach fat, leading to a big waistline,
is usually the killer." In a US study that involved more than 17,000 obese
Americans, the worst combination of cardiovascular risk factors –
irrespective of weight – was found in people with large waists and narrow
thighs.
This throws up another problem: "It's possible to be obese yet have a normal
BMI," says Rigby. So a short man with a beer gut and skinny limbs might
have a lower BMI even than Usain Bolt, but is in far more danger of
suffering heart disease. Girth is more important than overall weight.
The crux of the matter
The waist-hip ratio is simple but also has certain flaws, especially if you
have an endomorphic, round-bodied shape but low body fat. It's the same as
the BMI in that it's a useful indicator, but not something you should use to
demotivate you from running, so long as you have no underlying health
problems.
"We want to get two million people more active through sport and physical
activity by 2012," says Sutcliffe. "We're giving almost ￡500 million to
sports governing bodies over the next four years through Sport England. For
this investment we want to see returns, and sports governing bodies will now
be accountable for driving forward participation in their sport, including
running, through UK Athletics."
Don't give up
So you see, the point we are trying to make is that health is actually more
important than weight. You can still run, whatever your body shape, whether
it's for fun or, if you're genetically predisposed, to a higher level than
maybe you thought possible. Don't jump into it (you're meant to put one foot
in front of the other, for starters) – but read our beginners' advice (
right) and don't let your weight hold you back.
"You can start slowly by walking and building up to jogging," says Dr
Jonathan Williams. "If you do Pilates and swimming as well you'll reduce the
risk of injury. Finally, don't be self-conscious. Set a goal for yourself
and don't compare yourself to anyone else."
So while the BMI is a useful guide, and can give you a wake-up call if you
are genuinely obese, don't obsess about it – or let it stop you from
putting one foot in front of the other.
How To Run Safely
Tips from Dr Noel Pollock, sport and exercise medicine physician for UK
Athletics and EIS London medical officer
See your GP first. You should get your health checked out before you start
running, just to make sure there are no underlying health problems.
Start slowly, with short distances, and only do what you can. If you have to
stop running and walk for a bit, that’s fine.
Rest for 48 hours between each run while you get started. That doesn’t mean
lying down the whole time – just make sure you give your muscles, lungs
and heart time to recover.
Build up gradually. Don’t try to do much too soon, because you risk burning
out, injuring yourself or simply getting frustrated. Don’t give up if you
don’t see instant results. You won’t. But you will feel and look better
within weeks.
If you do get an injury, see a physiotherapist if it doesn’t settle quickly
or appears to be getting worse with each run.
Get the right kit – go to a good running shop and get your running gait
assessed so you buy the right type of running shoes for you. And buy
breathable fabrics. Just don’t go for skin-tight gear if you’re self-
conscious.
How elite athletes' BMIs compare
Paula Radcliffe
Height 5'7"
Weight (kg) 54
BMI 18.0 (Underweight)
Haile Gebrselassie
Height 5'4"
Weight (kg) 56
BMI 20.5 (Normal Weight)
Usain Bolt
Height 6'5"
Weight (kg) 88
BMI 22.3 (Normal Weight)
Mark Lewis-Francis
Height 6'
Weight (kg) 86
BMI 25.1 (Overweight)
Dwain Chambers
Height 5'9"
Weight (kg) 83
BMI 25.6 (Overweight)
http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/weight-loss/fat-or-fiction-why-yo | j***y
发帖数: 5098 | 8 这么长的英文！
看了两屏，实在看不下去了
agree
【在 p********y 的大作中提到】
: On one hand BMI is a handy metric for measuring obesity, it does not give
: enough information to tell your fitness and endurance level. I have came
: across an article a couple of years ago on this issue, which I totally agree
: with.
: --------------------------------------------------------
: Fat or Fiction? Why You Should Be Wary Of Your BMI
: Budding runners may be overweight, according to the Body Mass Index. But
: despite being used by the government to measure obesity, you shouldn't be
: put off by this outdated and unscientific formula.
: Forgive the personal nature of this question, but how fat are you? Are you
| p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 9 总结一下就是
1） BMI 不一定准确，有一些pro athletes 的BMI显示是ovreweight. 尤其是
sprinters.
2) waist-hip ratio 可以用来显示身材的指标，主要是针对“belly fat”。
3) 正确的跑步锻炼的方法。
【在 j***y 的大作中提到】
: 这么长的英文！
: 看了两屏，实在看不下去了
:
: agree
| p********r
发帖数: 3799 | | | | u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 11 运动员一般来说BMI比普通人低一些，原因很简单，body fat低，
少了几十磅的脂肪....
耐力运动员一般更低一些， 也更lean一些， 一般来说BMI，
swimmer > tri > cyclyst > runner....
男子马拉松选手的body fat%甚至可以低过男子健美选手...
有本racing weight的书， 专门讲这个的...
不过你BMI低于18， 的确是有点太低了....
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: 总结一下就是
: 1） BMI 不一定准确，有一些pro athletes 的BMI显示是ovreweight. 尤其是
: sprinters.
: 2) waist-hip ratio 可以用来显示身材的指标，主要是针对“belly fat”。
: 3) 正确的跑步锻炼的方法。
| M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 12 我看我bmi 23，是不是比较高？
【在 u*********s 的大作中提到】
: 运动员一般来说BMI比普通人低一些，原因很简单，body fat低，
: 少了几十磅的脂肪....
: 耐力运动员一般更低一些， 也更lean一些， 一般来说BMI，
: swimmer > tri > cyclyst > runner....
: 男子马拉松选手的body fat%甚至可以低过男子健美选手...
: 有本racing weight的书， 专门讲这个的...
: 不过你BMI低于18， 的确是有点太低了....
| u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 13 算正常吧， 比老狼还低， bmi这个看人， 有人骨头重量就差很多....
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
: 我看我bmi 23，是不是比较高？
| M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 14 老狼是肌肉男。。。
以前全身都鼓鼓的
【在 u*********s 的大作中提到】
: 算正常吧， 比老狼还低， bmi这个看人， 有人骨头重量就差很多....
| u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 15 嗯，不过真看不出 BMI居然有24....
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
: 老狼是肌肉男。。。
: 以前全身都鼓鼓的
| p********r
发帖数: 3799 | 16 是的，太低了。
我体重102 ～104 （吃饱了饭称104）， 身高5'4",waist 23, BMI, 17.5 ~17.9.
Body fat ~10%.
我一直想长一点体重，要求不高，5磅就够了。
其实我看着好像没那么瘦，尤其是游泳以后，胳膊上有点肌肉了，看着还挺壮的.
【在 u*********s 的大作中提到】
: 运动员一般来说BMI比普通人低一些，原因很简单，body fat低，
: 少了几十磅的脂肪....
: 耐力运动员一般更低一些， 也更lean一些， 一般来说BMI，
: swimmer > tri > cyclyst > runner....
: 男子马拉松选手的body fat%甚至可以低过男子健美选手...
: 有本racing weight的书， 专门讲这个的...
: 不过你BMI低于18， 的确是有点太低了....
| M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 17 我前段生病，天天吃面条，好像涨了好多磅
是不是吃面条容易长胖啊？
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: 是的，太低了。
: 我体重102 ～104 （吃饱了饭称104）， 身高5'4",waist 23, BMI, 17.5 ~17.9.
: Body fat ~10%.
: 我一直想长一点体重，要求不高，5磅就够了。
: 其实我看着好像没那么瘦，尤其是游泳以后，胳膊上有点肌肉了，看着还挺壮的.
| u*********s
发帖数: 2077 | 18 多吃肉啊， 一般人看到你这样怎么吃都不胖的肯定都很xmjdh!!
我印象中跑版有几个男的也是你这种体质的....
我其实脱了衣服， 上身也还不少肉的， 好像也是游泳游的...
【在 p********r 的大作中提到】
: 是的，太低了。
: 我体重102 ～104 （吃饱了饭称104）， 身高5'4",waist 23, BMI, 17.5 ~17.9.
: Body fat ~10%.
: 我一直想长一点体重，要求不高，5磅就够了。
: 其实我看着好像没那么瘦，尤其是游泳以后，胳膊上有点肌肉了，看着还挺壮的.
| M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 19 对了，你们ap计划的时候都是低碳水吗？
我才跑了3天，就想去吃sandwich了
【在 u*********s 的大作中提到】
: 多吃肉啊， 一般人看到你这样怎么吃都不胖的肯定都很xmjdh!!
: 我印象中跑版有几个男的也是你这种体质的....
: 我其实脱了衣服， 上身也还不少肉的， 好像也是游泳游的...
| j***y
发帖数: 5098 | 20 三明治能比烤肉还好吃？
【在 M**u 的大作中提到】
: 对了，你们ap计划的时候都是低碳水吗？
: 我才跑了3天，就想去吃sandwich了
| M**u
发帖数: 10158 | 21 potbelly啊，特别想吃。。。
【在 j***y 的大作中提到】
: 三明治能比烤肉还好吃？
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