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j*******7
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I had an interesting e-mail exchange with an agnostic this week. He wrote: "
If there were good evidence to corroborate the Bible, would you need faith?
Correct me if I am mistaken, but faith lies at the core of the Christian
worldview, not reliance on evidence."
That is an excellent question and one that I suspect lies at the heart of
why many agnostics and atheists have yet to seriously evaluate Christianity.
If they only knew that the core of the Christian worldview is actually
evidence rather than faith, many of them might finally look at the evidence
with an open mind. It is only after one is presented solid evidence that he
is invited to place his faith in the facts of the Gospel. Christian faith
stands on something permanent and proven.
I am talking about mathematical and statistical evidence that any jury would
hear about if the Bible was put on trial. Just as the Book of Mormon could
be put on trial to determine its historical reliability or lack thereof, so
also the Bible can be judged as being either miraculous or man-made.
There are over 300 Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in the life, death,
and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The statistical probability that Jesus of
Nazareth could have fulfilled even 8 such prophecies would be 1 in 100,000,
000,000,000,000. If you are willing to think rationally when it comes to
religion, you will discover that it is impossible that the Bible did not
come from God. No scheme of man could have pulled it off over those many
centuries. In order to reject the Bible, a person must have a strong
predisposition against it from the outset. Otherwise, the evidence makes it
a "slam-dunk case."
To tell you the truth, I don't think it takes very much faith to believe
that "all Scripture is God-breathed." (2 Timothy 3:16 ) How much faith does
it take a jury to come back with a verdict in the midst of overwhelming
evidence? What if a jury had 300 pieces of evidence that all pointed to the
same person the way 300 biblical prophecies all point to Christ? "Earth to
you; Let go of your religious predispositions. Come back down to reality,
logic, reason, facts, evidence, and mathematical certainty before you decide
whether to accept or reject the Bible."
Skeptics will say, "You are using the Bible to validate the Bible." True.
But we are really dealing with 66 books written over hundreds of years.
There is no dispute among scholars regarding the historical accuracy of the
Bible. William Albright was a biblical and archeological scholar who
mastered more than 26 ancient and modern languages. Albright wrote, "The
excessive skepticism shown toward the Bible by important historical schools
of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, certain phrases of which still
appear periodically, has been progressively discredited. Discovery after
discovery has established the accuracy of innumerable details, and has
brought increased recognition to the value of the Bible as a source of
history."
I love the way Charlie Campbell lays out 10 solid reasons to completely
trust the Bible. He goes into detail on each one, but here are the basic
categories:
1. Fulfilled Prophecy
2. Archaeological Verification
3. The Bible’s Internal Consistency
4. External Verification
5. The Bible’s Amazing Scientific Accuracy and Foresight
6. The Manuscript Evidence
7. The Bible’s Forthrightness about Its Author’s and Hero’s Failures
8. The Willingness of Jesus’ Disciples to Suffer
9. The Bible’s Transforming Power for Good
10. The Testimony of Jesus, the Son of God
Go ahead and do the research as you read Charlie's material as well as
others who have provided similar information. It is all available for those
who are open to discovering the greatest treasure man will ever find.
Christianity stands on facts. It stands on evidence. Christianity is entered
into through faith. It is not a blind faith. It is faith in the facts. It
is faith in something concrete. Christianity builds on past events and
believes for the future fulfillment of all of God's prophecies and promises.
Without the Bible, we would only have mystical experiences to rely upon.
How trustworthy would that be?
You will never find evidence like what we have in the Bible. Try to find one
"holy" book of any other religion that has even ONE fulfilled prophecy.
Where is the mathematical evidence in any of those religions? Where is the
statistical and mathematical certainty to stand on when stepping out in
faith for future events and for the eternal well-being of your immortal soul?
The order is for Christianity is: (1) Evidence; (2) Faith; and then (3)
Assurance. Christianity stands upon evidence. It is personally received
through faith that Jesus died for your sins on the cross. It brings
comforting assurance to those who have stepped out in faith to trust Christ.
You will never have the true assurance of salvation until you take a step
of faith based on the evidence. Some non-Christians have a false sense of
assurance without Christ, but in the end it tragically disappoints. Their
assurance is not based on solid evidence, but only faith in someone or
something other than the Jesus of the Bible.
God made you as a rational human being. God has given us rational reasons to
know that He is trustworthy. Just look out into the universe. It it
rational to believe that only God could have created such majesty. "The
heavens declare the glory of God." (Psalm 19:1) Are you listening to His
voice in the heavens? Are you evaluating the evidence reasonably? Only close
-minded people reject overwhelming evidence. Close-minded people don't act
rationally, but only emotionally and with stubborn proclivities.
There is more than enough evidence for any jury to "convict" the Bible of
being "guilty" of divine inspiration. It is not only a stretch to reject the
Bible and to reject Christ. It is spiritual insanity. Man is literally out
of his mind to ignore such thorough evidence. And yet, we see examples
everyday of people who make horrible decisions even though the clear weight
of evidence should have convinced them that the consequences are going to be
far worse than any temporary satisfaction. Sin makes man very irrational.
He acts too impulsively and he closes his mind toward God very quickly. When
man isn't rational, he destroys his earthly life and even his eternal soul.
The opposite of that behavior is a person who believes God with little or no
evidence to go on. There was a once a man whose religion stood on faith
rather than tons of evidence. His name was Abraham. The Bible tells us, "
Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." (James 2
:23) What history did Abraham really have to go on before he was asked to
trust God? What prophecies had been fulfilled? What evidence did he have to
stand on? Very little compared to what you and I have been given over the
past 6000 years of biblical history. Abraham was a man of tremendous faith.
If Abraham could believe God with little history to go on, you can certainly
do it once you have studied the evidence for the Bible with your rational
mind. God can be trusted. He always comes through and does what He says He
will do.
If you were called up for jury duty and the case had to do with the
reliability of the Bible, would you be able to make it through the jury
selection process? Or would your predispositions immediately disqualify you?
It would be a shame for you to miss out on going to trial for the most
important case you will ever decide.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/does-christianity-stand-on-faith-or-
evidence-59046/
z********o
发帖数: 18304
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基督教是瞎扯淡的。判断这一点根本不需要高智商。比如:
根据“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”“手按病人,病人就必好了”。耶稣的牛皮吹破
没有?
根据“圣经”,耶稣吹牛说“信的人”无论喝了什么毒药都“必不受害”。耶稣的牛皮
吹破没有?
补充:有基督徒狡辩说,耶稣的牛皮只是针对使徒们说的。这是狡辩。我们来看经文:
马可
16:15 他又对他们说,你们往普天下去,传福音给万民听。(万民原文作凡受造的)
16:16 信而受洗的必然得救。不信的必被定罪。
16:17 信的人必有神迹随着他们,就是奉我的名赶鬼。说新方言。
16:18 手能拿蛇。若喝了什么毒物,也必不受害。手按病人,病人就必好了。
这段话的确是对使徒们说的。15节的“你们”“他们”都是指使徒们。但是请注意,到
了16节,主语就已经变了。17节的主语很清楚,就是“信的人”。特别强调一下:对着
使徒们说的话并不一定仅仅是针对使徒们说的。比如老师对课代表说“通知同学们明天
考试”,显然不是只有课代表需要考试。对照英文不难看出:“若喝了什么毒物,也必
不受害。”和“手按病人,病人就必好了。”的主语都是“信的人”。所以耶稣的牛皮
是:“信的人”“若喝了什么毒物,也必不受害。”以及“信的人”“手按病人,病人
就必好了。”
(注:对照英文是要把意思看明白,去掉基督徒们搅混水的空间。“圣经”原文不是英
文,但是我们没有任何必要去读“圣经”原文。理由很简单:如果基督教不是骗人的,
那么“圣经”是基们“全知全能”的主子启示出来的“真理”。那么基们“全知全能”
的主子能不能保证“圣经”的记录/传播/翻译不出错误?)
此外,耶稣还曾经说过:“我实在告诉你们,你们若有信心像一粒芥菜种,就是对这座
山说,你从这边挪到那边,它也必挪去。并且你们没有一件不能作的事了。”既然基督
徒们的信心只要像芥菜种子那么一丁丁点大就能移山倒海,“并且你们没有一件不能作
的事了”,那么“手按病人,病人就必好了”又算得了什么?吃了毒药“必不受害”又
算得了什么?
k****d
发帖数: 205
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相信进化论也需要信心。有谁见证了进化的过程?
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