k*********d
发帖数: 841 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: kingofworld (他已复活), 信区: Belief
标 题: 跟新来的同学说几句 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 27 10:08:48 2011, 美东)
发信人: sishu (sishu), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: 跟新来的同学说几句
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 28 18:16:21 2010, 美东)
这个版早已不是基督教版，而是加尔文教版
在这里你能听到什么福音呢？
那就是神在创世之初，预定里大多数人类下地狱的命运
就是说，无论你今生怎么努力，怎么行善，
你的命运早已经写在生命册上了
而怎么知道你是不是下地狱那批倒霉鬼呢
那就是信不信加尔文主义
放狗看一下加尔文主义讲了什么东西吧
按照这个加尔文教版的主流教导
你不信加尔文的五条教义
你就不是基督徒
你就是撒旦的朋友
好了，活着有什么意义呢
加尔文教告诉你，就是信加尔文主义
然后等着审判日上天堂
你觉得这样的信仰适合你吗
哪里找到比较纯正的福音呢？
我建议去信和myesla交流
还有比较好的基督徒，他们可能很忙
ironmud, winter 是比较好的，可是很忙
还有几个不大来的，我都忘记了名字
斑竹D大，还可以，在版上不敢反对加尔文主义
也许去信交流比较好
而很多华人基督教论坛都被加尔文主义占据
在这个世界上，已经很难听到真正的福音了
而经上说了，上帝按良心和行为审判
无论如何，要努力做个好人吧 | k*********d
发帖数: 841 | 2 说得好。
原帖居然禁止回复，有些人为什么怕这个帖子？再次转出来震慑一下撒旦们。 | j*******u
发帖数: 712 | 3 thanks for sharing
【在 k*********d 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。
: 原帖居然禁止回复，有些人为什么怕这个帖子？再次转出来震慑一下撒旦们。
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 4 "而是加尔文教版....那就是神在创世之初，预定里大多数人类下地狱的命运
就是说，无论你今生怎么努力，怎么行善，你的命运早已经写在生命册上了"
sushi, are you sure this is John Calvin's teaching, or a misrepresentation (
maybe from his passionate followers)?
Whatever theology you subscribes to (none is perfect since they are human's best attempt to reasoning God), it always comes down to your personal relation with God.
So, are you going to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, given that you have read the Bible/the gospels? If you are not, are you going to hold yourself or God, responsible for the choice?
【在 k*********d 的大作中提到】
: 说得好。
: 原帖居然禁止回复，有些人为什么怕这个帖子？再次转出来震慑一下撒旦们。
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 5 "predestination of eternal damnation" is the teaching of Calvinism.
you can find detailed desciption of this absurd doctrine in John Calvin, Ins
titutes of the Christian Religion:
"To many this seems a perplexing subject, because they deem it most incongru
ous that of the great body of mankind some should be predestinated to salvat
ion, and others to destruction .... From this we infer, that all who know no
t that they are the peculiar people of God, must be wretched [not filled wit
h joy!] from perpetual trepidation . . . .15"
15 John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, trans. Henry Beveridge
(Wm. Eerdmans Publishing Company, 1998 ed.), III:xxi,1.
(
s best attempt to reasoning God), it always comes down to your personal
relation with God.
have read the Bible/the gospels? If you are not, are you going to hold
yourself or God, responsible for the choice?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: "而是加尔文教版....那就是神在创世之初，预定里大多数人类下地狱的命运
: 就是说，无论你今生怎么努力，怎么行善，你的命运早已经写在生命册上了"
: sushi, are you sure this is John Calvin's teaching, or a misrepresentation (
: maybe from his passionate followers)?
: Whatever theology you subscribes to (none is perfect since they are human's best attempt to reasoning God), it always comes down to your personal relation with God.
: So, are you going to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, given that you have read the Bible/the gospels? If you are not, are you going to hold yourself or God, responsible for the choice?
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 6 马可福音16章16节 信而受洗的，必然得救；不信的，必被定罪。
according to bible, Non-Trinitarian Christians shall be saved too. Perceivi
ng that the doctrine of Trinity is not a clear teaching of Jesus Christ. We
shall allow Chrisitans to have different views about The Divinity of Christ
.
As long as a person acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the son of God; Jesus d
ied on the cross for all mankind (Calvinists deny this); repent sins; accept
Jesus Christ as personal savior, this person is saved by faith. Peroid.
Calvinists deny this basic doctrine of salvation. They add a lot of man-mad
e doctrines and creeds to the Christian faith.
Banzhu of this board shall not be Calvinists!
(
s best attempt to reasoning God), it always comes down to your personal
relation with God.
have read the Bible/the gospels? If you are not, are you going to hold
yourself or God, responsible for the choice?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: "而是加尔文教版....那就是神在创世之初，预定里大多数人类下地狱的命运
: 就是说，无论你今生怎么努力，怎么行善，你的命运早已经写在生命册上了"
: sushi, are you sure this is John Calvin's teaching, or a misrepresentation (
: maybe from his passionate followers)?
: Whatever theology you subscribes to (none is perfect since they are human's best attempt to reasoning God), it always comes down to your personal relation with God.
: So, are you going to accept Jesus Christ as your savior, given that you have read the Bible/the gospels? If you are not, are you going to hold yourself or God, responsible for the choice?
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 7 justification is by faith, not by theological knowledge.
That said, you haven't answer my question -- given that you have heard the
gospel and read the Bible, would you hold yourself or God responsible for
not accepting Jesus Christ as your savior yet?
Regardless how Clavinists (or other theologists) put it, it always comes
down to a personal question that only concerns you and God. If you truely
concernabout "all mankind", let's start with yourself first.
Perceivi
We
Christ
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accept
mad
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 马可福音16章16节 信而受洗的，必然得救；不信的，必被定罪。
: according to bible, Non-Trinitarian Christians shall be saved too. Perceivi
: ng that the doctrine of Trinity is not a clear teaching of Jesus Christ. We
: shall allow Chrisitans to have different views about The Divinity of Christ
: .
: As long as a person acknowledge that Jesus Christ is the son of God; Jesus d
: ied on the cross for all mankind (Calvinists deny this); repent sins; accept
: Jesus Christ as personal savior, this person is saved by faith. Peroid.
: Calvinists deny this basic doctrine of salvation. They add a lot of man-mad
: e doctrines and creeds to the Christian faith.
| s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 8 I walk with God.
God have a plan for me.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: justification is by faith, not by theological knowledge.
: That said, you haven't answer my question -- given that you have heard the
: gospel and read the Bible, would you hold yourself or God responsible for
: not accepting Jesus Christ as your savior yet?
: Regardless how Clavinists (or other theologists) put it, it always comes
: down to a personal question that only concerns you and God. If you truely
: concernabout "all mankind", let's start with yourself first.
:
: Perceivi
: We
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 9
Good for you. So take the "offer" from God and accept the free salvation.
Otherwise don't whine about Calvinism (or whatever theory on your mind) and
blame your own rejection on God.
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: I walk with God.
: God have a plan for me.
| b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 10 这位童鞋是加尔文的？
and
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: Good for you. So take the "offer" from God and accept the free salvation.
: Otherwise don't whine about Calvinism (or whatever theory on your mind) and
: blame your own rejection on God.
| b**d
发帖数: 7644 | 11 感觉你说了半天都等于没说。人家本来就信主的。。。。。
你老是冤枉人家不信主干什么呢？ 信主跟谈论神学又有什么关系呢？ 跟反对加尔文又
有什么关系呢？
他反对加尔文，你又激动什么呢？
and
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: Good for you. So take the "offer" from God and accept the free salvation.
: Otherwise don't whine about Calvinism (or whatever theory on your mind) and
: blame your own rejection on God.
| l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 12
to my best knowledge, my friend sishu is not a Christian. He is into Chinese
philosophy esp. Confucius. Correct me if I got it wrong, sishu.
IMHO, for non-believers, not much. justification is by faith, not by knowledge.
I don't want my friend wasting his time on debating things that a)have
little to do with his own salvation and b) he won't fully grasp until he
believes into the Lord Jesus -- then the Holy Spirit will guide him to
understand.
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 感觉你说了半天都等于没说。人家本来就信主的。。。。。
: 你老是冤枉人家不信主干什么呢？ 信主跟谈论神学又有什么关系呢？ 跟反对加尔文又
: 有什么关系呢？
: 他反对加尔文，你又激动什么呢？
:
: and
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 13 是神导进化论的
【在 b**d 的大作中提到】
: 这位童鞋是加尔文的？
:
: and
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 14 thanks for sharing
Chinese
knowledge.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: to my best knowledge, my friend sishu is not a Christian. He is into Chinese
: philosophy esp. Confucius. Correct me if I got it wrong, sishu.
: IMHO, for non-believers, not much. justification is by faith, not by knowledge.
: I don't want my friend wasting his time on debating things that a)have
: little to do with his own salvation and b) he won't fully grasp until he
: believes into the Lord Jesus -- then the Holy Spirit will guide him to
: understand.
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