m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 1 Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
do not carry health insurance and they need it.
There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
democrats a |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 2 I do not expect high income working Asian family to support the bill because the pass of the bill will increase the tax for them. I knew personally an Asian pathologist with income around 300K always voted for Republics.
I hope they can understand this bill is wanted by majority of their fellow Asian American family. It will benefit their community. |
f*******l
发帖数: 8811 | 3 曾经有一家小的不能再小的中餐馆（穷州，在 mall 里面，就是一个柜台，后面是
厨房，和其他店 share mall 里面的餐桌），那个老板吹牛比说他一年至少赚十几
万，开的豪华车。
另外，中餐馆工作人员是合法移民合法打工吗？
are
60%
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
: largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
: receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
: welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
: do not carry health insurance and they need it.
: There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
: and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
: democrats a
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 4 As you said, 老板吹牛. He can make that kind money in a good year not every
year. Most 餐馆 can not earn that much. The chefs, one manager and one or
two full time waitress are most likely American. Then owner recruits several
part time workers, who can be illegals. Even a very well run 餐馆 can not
afford health care insurance for workers. For a small employer, a not so
good insurance policy cost 20K for year per employee. If you do that, most
餐馆 will have to close. So bascially, none of them carry any
【在 f*******l 的大作中提到】
: 曾经有一家小的不能再小的中餐馆（穷州，在 mall 里面，就是一个柜台，后面是
: 厨房，和其他店 share mall 里面的餐桌），那个老板吹牛比说他一年至少赚十几
: 万，开的豪华车。
: 另外，中餐馆工作人员是合法移民合法打工吗？
:
: are
: 60%
|
f*******l
发帖数: 8811 | 5 吹牛是我认为他吹牛。至于他到底能不能赚那么多，我还真不清楚。不过，据我一
个给他打工的同学说，赚得不少。而且的确开好车。
另外，餐馆雇员怎么组成不是重点。你的point是，那里工作的很多华人，需要保险
却买不起。问题是，就算 o8 的全民医保计划通过了，能惠及他们吗？在中餐馆打
工的华人有几个是合法的？
every
several
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: As you said, 老板吹牛. He can make that kind money in a good year not every
: year. Most 餐馆 can not earn that much. The chefs, one manager and one or
: two full time waitress are most likely American. Then owner recruits several
: part time workers, who can be illegals. Even a very well run 餐馆 can not
: afford health care insurance for workers. For a small employer, a not so
: good insurance policy cost 20K for year per employee. If you do that, most
: 餐馆 will have to close. So bascially, none of them carry any
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 6 In my knowledge, most are permanent residents and citizens. However, they do
have lots of students and their spouses working part time. Most students
carry insurance. But in many state such as Ohio, students have to buy health
insurance for their spouse. If my reading of the bill is correct, non-
immigrant but not illegals will benefit.
【在 f*******l 的大作中提到】
: 吹牛是我认为他吹牛。至于他到底能不能赚那么多，我还真不清楚。不过，据我一
: 个给他打工的同学说，赚得不少。而且的确开好车。
: 另外，餐馆雇员怎么组成不是重点。你的point是，那里工作的很多华人，需要保险
: 却买不起。问题是，就算 o8 的全民医保计划通过了，能惠及他们吗？在中餐馆打
: 工的华人有几个是合法的？
:
: every
: several
|
f*******l
发帖数: 8811 | 7 原来中餐馆打工的 "most are permanent residents and citizens".
这回我也算长见识了。完全颠覆了我以前对于中餐馆打工者的刻板印象。
do
health
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: In my knowledge, most are permanent residents and citizens. However, they do
: have lots of students and their spouses working part time. Most students
: carry insurance. But in many state such as Ohio, students have to buy health
: insurance for their spouse. If my reading of the bill is correct, non-
: immigrant but not illegals will benefit.
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 8 胡扯, 大部分都是福建那里偷渡过来的, 都欠蛇头不少钱, 而且英文也不好, 除了中餐
馆打工没有其他地方可去.你就别这里来show zuangbility了.
do
health
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: In my knowledge, most are permanent residents and citizens. However, they do
: have lots of students and their spouses working part time. Most students
: carry insurance. But in many state such as Ohio, students have to buy health
: insurance for their spouse. If my reading of the bill is correct, non-
: immigrant but not illegals will benefit.
|
s*********g
发帖数: 182 | 9 其实他们的英文都和楼主一样好
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯, 大部分都是福建那里偷渡过来的, 都欠蛇头不少钱, 而且英文也不好, 除了中餐
: 馆打工没有其他地方可去.你就别这里来show zuangbility了.
:
: do
: health
|
B*D
发帖数: 5016 | 10 n多庇护工卡的
现在很多中餐馆都要求工卡或者绿卡
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯, 大部分都是福建那里偷渡过来的, 都欠蛇头不少钱, 而且英文也不好, 除了中餐
: 馆打工没有其他地方可去.你就别这里来show zuangbility了.
:
: do
: health
|
|
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 11 you are right, many of them have green cards. Many win the immigration case
in court. It is hard to recruit illegals now and owners are afraid of
crackdown. Most illegals are Mexicos.
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: n多庇护工卡的
: 现在很多中餐馆都要求工卡或者绿卡
|
s*********g
发帖数: 182 | 12 为什么老老实实等排期的要被逼着去给撒谎弄庇护的人掏钱凑份子？这下子不是福利更
好吸引更多的人去走捷径吗？然后等排期的要凑的份子就更多，到最后就大家都上公社
食堂吃大锅饭了
【在 B*D 的大作中提到】
: n多庇护工卡的
: 现在很多中餐馆都要求工卡或者绿卡
|
t****m
发帖数: 101 | 13 亚裔美国人需要的东西很多呀。例如，亚裔美国人，和其他美国人一样，需要性。所以
我主张，让国会通过一个发案，让纳税人付钱供亚裔美国人嫖妓。性，和医疗一样，是
“人的基本需求幺”！
are
60%
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
: largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
: receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
: welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
: do not carry health insurance and they need it.
: There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
: and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
: democrats a
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 14 If you are right, those people will obtain greencard in the end. Most of
them from Fujian become resident and citizen, although they came this
country illegally. Also could you back your claim up that most are illegals
. Do you have statistics? Otherwise, you are like others just spill nonsense.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 胡扯, 大部分都是福建那里偷渡过来的, 都欠蛇头不少钱, 而且英文也不好, 除了中餐
: 馆打工没有其他地方可去.你就别这里来show zuangbility了.
:
: do
: health
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 15 please this is not a English grammar board and we are not first grade kids
persistently picking others on trivial issue. If you want to show your
professional English, write it in your post.
【在 s*********g 的大作中提到】
: 其实他们的英文都和楼主一样好
|
s*********g
发帖数: 182 | 16 我们是自认英文不好，所以老老实实写中文免得浪费人家时间写让人看不懂的东西
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: please this is not a English grammar board and we are not first grade kids
: persistently picking others on trivial issue. If you want to show your
: professional English, write it in your post.
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 17 Would stay focus on the medical bill. We are not discussing sexual
requirement. It is not included in this bill. We are saying whether hard
work people who can not afford health insurance should get it. For many
Asian working in a low income industry. For example, local manufacturer pay
$1000 a month without benefits. Part time cashier in CVS, Walmart, Target,
Walgreens. Workers in a restaurant or a local grocery store. Their income is
in range of $1000-$3000 per month and definitely can not a
【在 t****m 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔美国人需要的东西很多呀。例如，亚裔美国人，和其他美国人一样，需要性。所以
: 我主张，让国会通过一个发案，让纳税人付钱供亚裔美国人嫖妓。性，和医疗一样，是
: “人的基本需求幺”！
:
: are
: 60%
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 18 You means you have no understanding of what I write. It is hard to
understand why you reply in my thread since you can not understand my post.
I guess you have an impulsive syndrome. Maybe you should take your medical
pill.
【在 s*********g 的大作中提到】
: 我们是自认英文不好，所以老老实实写中文免得浪费人家时间写让人看不懂的东西
|
s*********g
发帖数: 182 | 19 看是看得懂，就是看着添堵，还得时不时得猜在说的是什么东西，就像芙蓉姐姐，谁都
知道看着丑，但是TA还是止不住地要在你面前跳出来秀TA的肥脸肥腰
.
medical
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You means you have no understanding of what I write. It is hard to
: understand why you reply in my thread since you can not understand my post.
: I guess you have an impulsive syndrome. Maybe you should take your medical
: pill.
|
t****m
发帖数: 101 | 20 不行不行，你要Focus在医疗上，大概是因为你性冷淡吧？我们这些没有性冷淡的亚裔
，认为免费的性要比免费看医生更重要。所以我们要求国会马上行动，让我们免费嫖妓！
pay
is
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Would stay focus on the medical bill. We are not discussing sexual
: requirement. It is not included in this bill. We are saying whether hard
: work people who can not afford health insurance should get it. For many
: Asian working in a low income industry. For example, local manufacturer pay
: $1000 a month without benefits. Part time cashier in CVS, Walmart, Target,
: Walgreens. Workers in a restaurant or a local grocery store. Their income is
: in range of $1000-$3000 per month and definitely can not a
|
|
|
s*********g
发帖数: 182 | 21 谁说性冷淡不是medical condition?
不是的话为什么药厂每年投那么多美刀研究药物治疗的办法
妓！
【在 t****m 的大作中提到】
: 不行不行，你要Focus在医疗上，大概是因为你性冷淡吧？我们这些没有性冷淡的亚裔
: ，认为免费的性要比免费看医生更重要。所以我们要求国会马上行动，让我们免费嫖妓！
:
: pay
: is
|
t****m
发帖数: 101 | 22 没有说不是呀。这就是为什么他要求我们掏腰包，让他免费看医生呀。但是呢，OP这样
的性冷淡medical condition毕竟是少数。从为大多数人谋福利的共产主义远大理想来
衡量，最好的法案，还是让我们免费嫖妓的好。
【在 s*********g 的大作中提到】
: 谁说性冷淡不是medical condition?
: 不是的话为什么药厂每年投那么多美刀研究药物治疗的办法
:
: 妓！
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 23 看看这句: You means you have no understanding of what I write
真是姚明啊, "you means", 能写出来这句英文的人那英文水平要多高啊. 我肯定不行滴. well, I is sure you understands what I writes, right?
.
medical
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: You means you have no understanding of what I write. It is hard to
: understand why you reply in my thread since you can not understand my post.
: I guess you have an impulsive syndrome. Maybe you should take your medical
: pill.
|
m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 24 since she claims 'English is very important in her field', I can only
imagine that 'field' is probably called 'Panda Express' or 'China Garden',
where you get this kind of English all the time when you order Hunan Chicken
over the phone..
行滴. well, I is sure you understands what I writes, right?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看看这句: You means you have no understanding of what I write
: 真是姚明啊, "you means", 能写出来这句英文的人那英文水平要多高啊. 我肯定不行滴. well, I is sure you understands what I writes, right?
:
: .
: medical
|
h********t
发帖数: 555 | 25 既然你谈到餐馆，咱们就谈谈餐馆业的真实情况吧。
绝大部分餐馆老板都比在这个版上混的人有钱。他们具体挣多少，你根本就搞不清楚，因为他们都收现金。报税的收入通常比实际收入少了很多。
餐馆打工的，大部分都是非法移民，这个医疗改革和他们无关。
餐馆打工的，如果是有身份的，这个医疗改革和他们也没什么关系。同样道理，因为他们的收入是现金收入，具体收入多少，很难查证。他们报税，通常都会隐瞒他们的实际收入。他们现在就已经在享受免费的政府医疗保险 --- Medicaid. 书呆子们最喜欢坐在家里根据数据做推理，却没想到那些数据原来是兑了水的。
医疗改革是必要的，但是民主党这个搞法是错误的。
are
60%
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
: largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
: receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
: welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
: do not carry health insurance and they need it.
: There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
: and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
: democrats a
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 26 hate to see these liberal talking points propaganda again.
比如你们看到亚裔第二代有多少还在餐馆打工的，不要说越来越少的第一代了。为什么
华裔可以跳出贫穷，其他族裔就不行？老黑就不行？生活的进步在于工作的创造，在自
由的市场经济的竞争。所谓共产养懒的最终结果，就是创造了世世代代的寄生阶级，
liberal共产主义的票人阶级。
不要以为给福利就是帮你，你看老黑寄生阶级，差不多已经是世代寄生了，肋脖党的目
的就是像养猪一样养残他们，让他们永世不要翻身，永做勒脖党票人阶级。不仅要保住
寄生阶级，还要消灭工作创造，从而搞出更多寄生阶级。所以创造private sector工作完全
是跟勒脖党政策背道而驰的。他们要的是各种各样的福利寄生阶级，政府寄身阶
级。。。http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/31272897_3.html
are
60%
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
: largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
: receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
: welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
: do not carry health insurance and they need it.
: There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
: and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
: democrats a
|
d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 27 If the objective of the healthcare reform is truly to help the real poor, one
can argue that an effective way to do it is to expand the medicaid coverage
while reduce fraud in medicare and medicaid, and reduce cost in the health
care industry by introducing more competition and put more control in the
consumer's hands.
The current reform plan does not reduce cost, it just blindly put on more
debt and screw the hard working tax payers over. Someone has to pay the
bill, crippling the economy does
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian American is the poorest in this country. They receive the second
: largest welfare checks right after black American. Asian,5% population,
: receive 8% of welfare expense. Black, 13% of population, receive 30% of
: welfare expense. I know many restaurant owner and workers in this industry
: do not carry health insurance and they need it.
: There is no wonder that people here are out of touch with their community
: and do not understand their need. Please be aware that majority of Asian are
: democrats a
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 28 In current system, the medical cost of uninsured is stilled payed by insured
. People without insurance are not treated when condition is minor. However,
when conditions developed into more serious conditions such as kidney
failure, heart attacks, or cancer, they will be admitted into an emergency
room. They will receive extensive care unit service and hospices. The bill
ofen run to hundred of thousands dollars, unpaid. Doctor will not accept a
paycut and insurance company will not run in red. T
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: If the objective of the healthcare reform is truly to help the real poor, one
: can argue that an effective way to do it is to expand the medicaid coverage
: while reduce fraud in medicare and medicaid, and reduce cost in the health
: care industry by introducing more competition and put more control in the
: consumer's hands.
: The current reform plan does not reduce cost, it just blindly put on more
: debt and screw the hard working tax payers over. Someone has to pay the
: bill, crippling the economy does
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 29 Asian population is most polarized in term of income. Asian tend to get
better education and thus high average pay. But do not forget that majority,
I would emphasize that, MAJORITY of Asian family are poor. This is why
Asian American are the second largest recipients per person of welfare
benefit after Black. Do you think that the rich second or third generation
of Asian American just forget their roots and let the poor people compete
like animals in order to survive. Those people are not lazy
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: hate to see these liberal talking points propaganda again.
: 比如你们看到亚裔第二代有多少还在餐馆打工的，不要说越来越少的第一代了。为什么
: 华裔可以跳出贫穷，其他族裔就不行？老黑就不行？生活的进步在于工作的创造，在自
: 由的市场经济的竞争。所谓共产养懒的最终结果，就是创造了世世代代的寄生阶级，
: liberal共产主义的票人阶级。
: 不要以为给福利就是帮你，你看老黑寄生阶级，差不多已经是世代寄生了，肋脖党的目
: 的就是像养猪一样养残他们，让他们永世不要翻身，永做勒脖党票人阶级。不仅要保住
: 寄生阶级，还要消灭工作创造，从而搞出更多寄生阶级。所以创造private sector工作完全
: 是跟勒脖党政策背道而驰的。他们要的是各种各样的福利寄生阶级，政府寄身阶
: 级。。。http://www.mitbbs.com/article/USANews/31272897_3.html
|
C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 30 lz就是疤蟆恶棍政府的五毛党，英文再烂也要用英文发，好在主子给钱的时候按单词算
。 |
|
|
d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 31 Kids from poor family are covered by medicaid already. What I said was very
simple, cut cost buy improve efficiency, with more competition and consumer
control, not government control, thus we can afford to cover more people.
Spending money we don't have does not work.
Socialized medicine does not work economically. Read some here:
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html
insured
However,
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: In current system, the medical cost of uninsured is stilled payed by insured
: . People without insurance are not treated when condition is minor. However,
: when conditions developed into more serious conditions such as kidney
: failure, heart attacks, or cancer, they will be admitted into an emergency
: room. They will receive extensive care unit service and hospices. The bill
: ofen run to hundred of thousands dollars, unpaid. Doctor will not accept a
: paycut and insurance company will not run in red. T
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 32 Higher tax is inevitable because of high deficit. The party for republic
tax cut is over. So bend over and get over it. We win. Pay up time is
coming.
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: lz就是疤蟆恶棍政府的五毛党，英文再烂也要用英文发，好在主子给钱的时候按单词算
: 。
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 33 What do you propose to cut cost? Deny treatment to uninsured? It can not be done. It is the fact that other industrialized nations have socialized medical system with cost half of what we have. Do you want to explain why it is so. I do not believe in doctored propaganda. You have to provide hard data of cost and quality of such system. We knew that British health care costs less than half than us and quality is higher because people live longer.
very
consumer
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Kids from poor family are covered by medicaid already. What I said was very
: simple, cut cost buy improve efficiency, with more competition and consumer
: control, not government control, thus we can afford to cover more people.
: Spending money we don't have does not work.
: Socialized medicine does not work economically. Read some here:
: http://www.angelfire.com/pa/sergeman/issues/healthcare/socialized.html
:
: insured
: However,
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 34 Americans in general, not just Asian Americans want health care reform, not
doubt about that, but not just any reform will do.
Cut cost by introducing competition and let consumer take control of the
spending, which part of that do you not understand?
Here is some plans that I can agree to a large extent:
http://www.house.gov/ryan/issuepapers/healthcareissuepaper.html
Emergency room care will not be denied to reduce cost. Overall cost can be
controlled and average cost per treatment case can be
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: What do you propose to cut cost? Deny treatment to uninsured? It can not be done. It is the fact that other industrialized nations have socialized medical system with cost half of what we have. Do you want to explain why it is so. I do not believe in doctored propaganda. You have to provide hard data of cost and quality of such system. We knew that British health care costs less than half than us and quality is higher because people live longer.
:
: very
: consumer
:
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 35 I agree many of your points. Many of those are actually in the newest bill
already. For example, medical malpractice reform. New tort case will be
judged by a special court with jurors from medical doctors. So it will make
it very hard for a frivolous case to win. It also proposes to establish
insurance policy exchanges to promote competitions so the cost will go down.
Start in 2018, 40% tax will be levied to high premium insurer policy such
as the policy enjoyed by Goldman Saches executives wit
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: Americans in general, not just Asian Americans want health care reform, not
: doubt about that, but not just any reform will do.
: Cut cost by introducing competition and let consumer take control of the
: spending, which part of that do you not understand?
: Here is some plans that I can agree to a large extent:
: http://www.house.gov/ryan/issuepapers/healthcareissuepaper.html
: Emergency room care will not be denied to reduce cost. Overall cost can be
: controlled and average cost per treatment case can be
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d****i
发帖数: 4354 | 36 You are exaggerating what is in the current reform bill. Tort reform is
most certainly not in it.
The government option will cause more people to lose their current plan
because employers will opt-out the current health plans they provide and
just pay a fine. So slowly we will get into socialized medicine if we go
the current reform route.
Taxing cadillac-plan does not bring down cost. It is just a way to get some
money to pay for the health care reform. Think about it, if people who buy
exp
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I agree many of your points. Many of those are actually in the newest bill
: already. For example, medical malpractice reform. New tort case will be
: judged by a special court with jurors from medical doctors. So it will make
: it very hard for a frivolous case to win. It also proposes to establish
: insurance policy exchanges to promote competitions so the cost will go down.
: Start in 2018, 40% tax will be levied to high premium insurer policy such
: as the policy enjoyed by Goldman Saches executives wit
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 37 Thank you for discussion. I guess we have go over all the points. Let it
rest. It is also my hope that a better bill will pass, so this country will
become stronger. Our children and children' children will benefit from the
decision we made today.
some
buy
【在 d****i 的大作中提到】
: You are exaggerating what is in the current reform bill. Tort reform is
: most certainly not in it.
: The government option will cause more people to lose their current plan
: because employers will opt-out the current health plans they provide and
: just pay a fine. So slowly we will get into socialized medicine if we go
: the current reform route.
: Taxing cadillac-plan does not bring down cost. It is just a way to get some
: money to pay for the health care reform. Think about it, if people who buy
: exp
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 38 Before we really talk about this, would you care to share your data source
first, please?
majority,
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Asian population is most polarized in term of income. Asian tend to get
: better education and thus high average pay. But do not forget that majority,
: I would emphasize that, MAJORITY of Asian family are poor. This is why
: Asian American are the second largest recipients per person of welfare
: benefit after Black. Do you think that the rich second or third generation
: of Asian American just forget their roots and let the poor people compete
: like animals in order to survive. Those people are not lazy
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 39 Sure.
Welfare Facts
@@welfare
Asians are overall MORE likely to take welfare for most programs, but equal
to whites per poor person. Immigrants are about half as likely to receive
welfare if you leave out refugees.
However, Norman Matloff has attacked the few elderly Asians who take
advantage of SSI (which isn't normally called "welfare", but the term has
stuck) when their grown children are relatively affluent. The flip side is
that immigrant workers are funding the retirement of disproportiona
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: Before we really talk about this, would you care to share your data source
: first, please?
:
: majority,
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C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 40 看看这个逼的回复：“we win". 五毛党无遗了。暴乱的时候被人弃尸阴沟时在兴奋去。
Higher tax is inevitable because of high deficit. The party for republic
tax cut is over. So bend over and get over it. We win. Pay up time is
coming.
算
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: lz就是疤蟆恶棍政府的五毛党，英文再烂也要用英文发，好在主子给钱的时候按单词算
: 。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 41 then you tell me, how this gonna support your claim that
Asian American are the second largest recipients per person of welfare
benefit after Black.
equal
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Sure.
: Welfare Facts
: @@welfare
: Asians are overall MORE likely to take welfare for most programs, but equal
: to whites per poor person. Immigrants are about half as likely to receive
: welfare if you leave out refugees.
: However, Norman Matloff has attacked the few elderly Asians who take
: advantage of SSI (which isn't normally called "welfare", but the term has
: stuck) when their grown children are relatively affluent. The flip side is
: that immigrant workers are funding the retirement of disproportiona
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 42 you can also read the following article:
http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/policy/AAPISymposium1.pdf
equal
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Sure.
: Welfare Facts
: @@welfare
: Asians are overall MORE likely to take welfare for most programs, but equal
: to whites per poor person. Immigrants are about half as likely to receive
: welfare if you leave out refugees.
: However, Norman Matloff has attacked the few elderly Asians who take
: advantage of SSI (which isn't normally called "welfare", but the term has
: stuck) when their grown children are relatively affluent. The flip side is
: that immigrant workers are funding the retirement of disproportiona
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 43 Is it true that Asian receive the second largest welfare check per person?
For total amounts, white is the first because they are majority of the
population. In this article, they include social security in the welfare,
although it is a pension. For most Asian, they are poor and their taxable
income is low. So they receive lowest social security paycheck but no 1
welfare paycheck, which is medicare, food stamp, WIC, public housing, and assisted cash.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: then you tell me, how this gonna support your claim that
: Asian American are the second largest recipients per person of welfare
: benefit after Black.
:
: equal
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 44 first this is california, not whole united states. Asian is way over 5% in california.
and again, please, the article has said it very clear.
Non-Hispanic (NH) whites and
Asians are underrepresented relative to their share of the total population. Blacks,
Latinos, Pacific Islanders and American Indians (the latter two not depicted in the graph
because of their small size) are over represented relative to their share of the total
population.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: you can also read the following article:
: http://www.aasc.ucla.edu/policy/AAPISymposium1.pdf
:
: equal
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s*****l
发帖数: 217 | 45 实在看不下去了，楼主你虚心学习一下再来讨论好不好？信口开河什么“In current
system, the medical cost of uninsured is stilled payed by insured”，回去研
究一下急诊室的费用到底是谁买单、怎样买单吧。
另外，你的英文实在不行，上面我引用你的那句话里的毛病，你回过头来看得出来吗？
insured
However,
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: In current system, the medical cost of uninsured is stilled payed by insured
: . People without insurance are not treated when condition is minor. However,
: when conditions developed into more serious conditions such as kidney
: failure, heart attacks, or cancer, they will be admitted into an emergency
: room. They will receive extensive care unit service and hospices. The bill
: ofen run to hundred of thousands dollars, unpaid. Doctor will not accept a
: paycut and insurance company will not run in red. T
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 46 i want to see the statistic data, you data dont prove your claim.
一开始的时候让你混过去了...
assisted cash.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Is it true that Asian receive the second largest welfare check per person?
: For total amounts, white is the first because they are majority of the
: population. In this article, they include social security in the welfare,
: although it is a pension. For most Asian, they are poor and their taxable
: income is low. So they receive lowest social security paycheck but no 1
: welfare paycheck, which is medicare, food stamp, WIC, public housing, and assisted cash.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 47 This is what I said all the time. 5% of Asian receive 8% of welfare. It is
the second largest after black per person.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i want to see the statistic data, you data dont prove your claim.
: 一开始的时候让你混过去了...
:
: assisted cash.
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 48 性需求一只手就可解决， 不论男女。 医疗可不行
【在 t****m 的大作中提到】
: 亚裔美国人需要的东西很多呀。例如，亚裔美国人，和其他美国人一样，需要性。所以
: 我主张，让国会通过一个发案，让纳税人付钱供亚裔美国人嫖妓。性，和医疗一样，是
: “人的基本需求幺”！
:
: are
: 60%
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 49 I want to see a link, where it says 5% asian receive 8% of welfare.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: This is what I said all the time. 5% of Asian receive 8% of welfare. It is
: the second largest after black per person.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 50 Do you understand what is total and what is per capital? Asian population is
small and 8% of welfare is large for a small population.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: i want to see the statistic data, you data dont prove your claim.
: 一开始的时候让你混过去了...
:
: assisted cash.
|
|
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 51 where is the link which says asian receive 8% welfare?
is
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Do you understand what is total and what is per capital? Asian population is
: small and 8% of welfare is large for a small population.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 52 Can you enlight me rather than bashing? Of course I know what is wrong. It
is a typo.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: 实在看不下去了，楼主你虚心学习一下再来讨论好不好？信口开河什么“In current
: system, the medical cost of uninsured is stilled payed by insured”，回去研
: 究一下急诊室的费用到底是谁买单、怎样买单吧。
: 另外，你的英文实在不行，上面我引用你的那句话里的毛病，你回过头来看得出来吗？
:
: insured
: However,
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 53 很有可能， 我以前的房东把房产都给了他弟弟，就可以住政府公寓了。
有篇报道， 美国的政府老年公寓， 香港台湾的富人很多。现在大陆人有钱了， 估计
也会这么干。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: I want to see a link, where it says 5% asian receive 8% of welfare.
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 54 Will you shut it up if I give you the source of the data? It is in a book. I
see you have no trust to others except you own kind. Do you apply the same
rigor saying something in a post?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: where is the link which says asian receive 8% welfare?
:
: is
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 55 Did i understand it correctly?
Asians are underrepresented relative to their share of the total population.
california.
population. Blacks,
depicted in the graph
of the total
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: first this is california, not whole united states. Asian is way over 5% in california.
: and again, please, the article has said it very clear.
: Non-Hispanic (NH) whites and
: Asians are underrepresented relative to their share of the total population. Blacks,
: Latinos, Pacific Islanders and American Indians (the latter two not depicted in the graph
: because of their small size) are over represented relative to their share of the total
: population.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 56 put up or shut up.
so far all your links are working against your claim.
where is your 8% coming from? the link you provide?
I
same
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Will you shut it up if I give you the source of the data? It is in a book. I
: see you have no trust to others except you own kind. Do you apply the same
: rigor saying something in a post?
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 57 If you really want to know, why you do some research on the topic. If you
have no idea, please shut up. I am sure that my number is solid.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: put up or shut up.
: so far all your links are working against your claim.
: where is your 8% coming from? the link you provide?
:
: I
: same
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 58 Yes, i have done my research of course. All my research results go against
your claim, that's why i am asking for your data source.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If you really want to know, why you do some research on the topic. If you
: have no idea, please shut up. I am sure that my number is solid.
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s*****l
发帖数: 217 | 59 不止简单的typo，还有三处缺了“the”。你如果能在这方面虚心，那就请稍微多花些
时间来阅读并且消化医疗改革和福利制度的相关资料。一知半解信口开河的毛病在网络
上顶多被骂，在学习上工作上就会有极大危害，请你好自为之。
又，难道你到现在还看不出来你那5%、8%的数据错在哪里？
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Can you enlight me rather than bashing? Of course I know what is wrong. It
: is a typo.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 60 不厚道的说一句,叫他们useful idiots真不冤枉他们.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: 不止简单的typo，还有三处缺了“the”。你如果能在这方面虚心，那就请稍微多花些
: 时间来阅读并且消化医疗改革和福利制度的相关资料。一知半解信口开河的毛病在网络
: 上顶多被骂，在学习上工作上就会有极大危害，请你好自为之。
: 又，难道你到现在还看不出来你那5%、8%的数据错在哪里？
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 61 I do not need any of your propaganda. I will not accept your version of
world view. If you want to preach, say to others.
I do not see I missed three "the" in my sentence.
Could you tell me who pay the bill of uninsured if it is not payed by insured. I guess the money can not come from thin air.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: 不止简单的typo，还有三处缺了“the”。你如果能在这方面虚心，那就请稍微多花些
: 时间来阅读并且消化医疗改革和福利制度的相关资料。一知半解信口开河的毛病在网络
: 上顶多被骂，在学习上工作上就会有极大危害，请你好自为之。
: 又，难道你到现在还看不出来你那5%、8%的数据错在哪里？
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 62 共产是一种宗教,这个我们大家都理解.
insured. I guess the money can not come from thin air.
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not need any of your propaganda. I will not accept your version of
: world view. If you want to preach, say to others.
: I do not see I missed three "the" in my sentence.
: Could you tell me who pay the bill of uninsured if it is not payed by insured. I guess the money can not come from thin air.
|
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 63 I do not know what are you talking about. I guess you do not understand the
article I gave to you. In my article, it is clearly stated that Asian
American and Asian Picific lander are the highest recipients of overall
welfare with ratio 3/1 in California. The average is 1/1. That means that
Asian are three time more likely than average to receive welfare.
In your selected citation, you said "Figure 1 provides the
racial composition of the population on CalWORKs.2 Non-Hispanic (NH) whites
and Asi
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 共产是一种宗教,这个我们大家都理解.
:
: insured. I guess the money can not come from thin air.
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s*****l
发帖数: 217 | 64 唉，你这人不虚心到这种程度，我也懒得再给你纠正英文文法，随你去吧。
只论无健保者的急诊室费用，你的看法（有健保者买单）就是简单化的一刀切。别忘了
，没有健保的美国人之中相当一部分并非赤贫或买不起保险而只是不愿花钱买，他们去
了急诊室也好、普通诊所也好，基本上是自掏腰包。患者无健保亦无法自己买单而造成
的坏账，的确有些被医院通过抬高价格而转嫁到别人身上，但保险公司也不是吃素的，
医院与保险公司较量的结果是医院自身承担了相当大的费用（也就是说医院的利润率降
低了），有健保者承担的是有限的一部分。另外，联邦和地方政府也承担了一部分（这
就是纳税人买的单喽）。
美国政府的官方网站有相关的数据，请看CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE去年提交国会
的Health Care Reform and the Federal Budget报告，下面是链接和一些引文：
http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/documents/2009/CBO%20Letter%20HealthReformAndFederalBudget_061609.pdf
"Broa
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not need any of your propaganda. I will not accept your version of
: world view. If you want to preach, say to others.
: I do not see I missed three "the" in my sentence.
: Could you tell me who pay the bill of uninsured if it is not payed by insured. I guess the money can not come from thin air.
|
j******t
发帖数: 65 | 65 Dude, do you seriously not see where your mistake is? Or do you just
like to play games with numbers to try and pull a fast one on gullible
people?
Your 8% figure means that 8% of CALIFORNIAN welfare recipients are
Asian. Guess what percentage of all CALIFORNIANs are Asian? That's
right, 12.5%! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
Somebody already pointed that out before. You either missed it or just
chose to ignore it.
Also, regardless of whether your numbers are true, do you
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I do not know what are you talking about. I guess you do not understand the
: article I gave to you. In my article, it is clearly stated that Asian
: American and Asian Picific lander are the highest recipients of overall
: welfare with ratio 3/1 in California. The average is 1/1. That means that
: Asian are three time more likely than average to receive welfare.
: In your selected citation, you said "Figure 1 provides the
: racial composition of the population on CalWORKs.2 Non-Hispanic (NH) whites
: and Asi
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m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 66 My 8% number is not derived from this article. As I said, I do not a link for this number and it is in a printed publication. 8% you cited is only for Calwork, a California welfare only for families with Children. It is not relevant to what I am talking about. If you want to discuss, at least make the fact straight not just selective reading.
In the linked article I provided, it is clearly stated in the figurthat Asian are 3 times more likely to get welfare and Asian are the poorest because they
【在 j******t 的大作中提到】
: Dude, do you seriously not see where your mistake is? Or do you just
: like to play games with numbers to try and pull a fast one on gullible
: people?
: Your 8% figure means that 8% of CALIFORNIAN welfare recipients are
: Asian. Guess what percentage of all CALIFORNIANs are Asian? That's
: right, 12.5%! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
: Somebody already pointed that out before. You either missed it or just
: chose to ignore it.
: Also, regardless of whether your numbers are true, do you
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a**x
发帖数: 255 | 67 LZ就是芙蓉姐姐，赞StephenKing之总结。 |
m*********a
发帖数: 3299 | 68 So you mean I have to agree with this dude said. When do I say that insured
pay the bill directly. Your idea or this dude idea that insurance companies
suffer in order to pay the bills of uninsured make me laugh.
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: 唉，你这人不虚心到这种程度，我也懒得再给你纠正英文文法，随你去吧。
: 只论无健保者的急诊室费用，你的看法（有健保者买单）就是简单化的一刀切。别忘了
: ，没有健保的美国人之中相当一部分并非赤贫或买不起保险而只是不愿花钱买，他们去
: 了急诊室也好、普通诊所也好，基本上是自掏腰包。患者无健保亦无法自己买单而造成
: 的坏账，的确有些被医院通过抬高价格而转嫁到别人身上，但保险公司也不是吃素的，
: 医院与保险公司较量的结果是医院自身承担了相当大的费用（也就是说医院的利润率降
: 低了），有健保者承担的是有限的一部分。另外，联邦和地方政府也承担了一部分（这
: 就是纳税人买的单喽）。
: 美国政府的官方网站有相关的数据，请看CONGRESSIONAL BUDGET OFFICE去年提交国会
: 的Health Care Reform and the Federal Budget报告，下面是链接和一些引文：
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 69 不用跟她争了，人在中餐馆打黑工还挤时间学英语已经不容易了
不能要求那么苛刻
【在 s*****l 的大作中提到】
: 不止简单的typo，还有三处缺了“the”。你如果能在这方面虚心，那就请稍微多花些
: 时间来阅读并且消化医疗改革和福利制度的相关资料。一知半解信口开河的毛病在网络
: 上顶多被骂，在学习上工作上就会有极大危害，请你好自为之。
: 又，难道你到现在还看不出来你那5%、8%的数据错在哪里？
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c*******e
发帖数: 9475 | 70 我不知道餐馆老板到底挣多少，我只知道，在我们这个穷州三万人
小镇，房价平均十几万的地方，一栋80万的房子是一个小小中餐馆
老板的，还是投资房现在正在卖 |
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m***s
发帖数: 1094 | 71 It just never occurs to some people that many of those uninsured got enough
money to buy insurance, they just don't want to spend that money for
insurance
【在 c*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道餐馆老板到底挣多少，我只知道，在我们这个穷州三万人
: 小镇，房价平均十几万的地方，一栋80万的房子是一个小小中餐馆
: 老板的，还是投资房现在正在卖
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c*****5
发帖数: 463 | 72 this subsidized med school education strategy hasn't worked so far either in
the US or China. Currently there
are multiple fellowship, education loan subsidizing program to encourage
students to go into primary care,
still the majority fight for subspecialties. On a separate note, medical
training itself is an extremely long and
expensive investment. you may see some doctors make over $300k per year now
. It takes 8+ yr education
(avg 300k-400k loans) and 4+ (most time 6+) yr residency/fello
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: I agree many of your points. Many of those are actually in the newest bill
: already. For example, medical malpractice reform. New tort case will be
: judged by a special court with jurors from medical doctors. So it will make
: it very hard for a frivolous case to win. It also proposes to establish
: insurance policy exchanges to promote competitions so the cost will go down.
: Start in 2018, 40% tax will be levied to high premium insurer policy such
: as the policy enjoyed by Goldman Saches executives wit
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j******t
发帖数: 65 | 73 I know it clearly states it, but just because something is explicitly
stated doesn't mean it's right.
EVEN if 8% of welfare recipients are Asian while 5% of Americans are
Asian, how exactly does that make Asians THREE times as likely to get
welfare? Asians would have to make up 15% of all welfare recipients in
order for that to make any sense.
And also, I have serious doubts about the methodology with which you
came up with those numbers. Don't just say article X said so, tell us
how it's actual
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: My 8% number is not derived from this article. As I said, I do not a link for this number and it is in a printed publication. 8% you cited is only for Calwork, a California welfare only for families with Children. It is not relevant to what I am talking about. If you want to discuss, at least make the fact straight not just selective reading.
: In the linked article I provided, it is clearly stated in the figurthat Asian are 3 times more likely to get welfare and Asian are the poorest because they
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t***h
发帖数: 5601 | 74 Don't be stupid, man. You are beshaming yourself.
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: 亚裔美国人需要的东西很多呀。例如，亚裔美国人，和其他美国人一样，需要性。所以
: 我主张，让国会通过一个发案，让纳税人付钱供亚裔美国人嫖妓。性，和医疗一样，是
: “人的基本需求幺”！
:
: are
: 60%
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 75 you are such a racist bigot, dare you deny having sex is one of the human
rights!
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: Don't be stupid, man. You are beshaming yourself.
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