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USANews版 - Universal health care is finally here.
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D******e
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Americans are split about the Health Reform.
Both sides have good points, obviously.
So lets vote. Now We have won.
Lets get drunk and let them go nuts.
l****z
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l****z
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l****z
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l****z
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l****z
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D******e
发帖数: 1085
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See, what I mean?
It worked.
I need a fix for my hangover. And sorry, buddy, you are on your own.
a**x
发帖数: 255
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楼主就是SB,民主的精神在于compromise,通过投票多数压倒少数叫做专政,。楼主受
tg洗脑太多
D******e
发帖数: 1085
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You are being funny.
People like you weaken your party and are not helping.
Majority = dictatorship, and Dictatorship = 1, therefore,
Majority = 1.
Democracy means minority has to do what the majority says. Occasionally,
majority throws a bone to you so that you can be quiet for a while.

【在 a**x 的大作中提到】
: 楼主就是SB,民主的精神在于compromise,通过投票多数压倒少数叫做专政,。楼主受
: tg洗脑太多

m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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民主的精神is self interest or extreme selfish. Everyone votes based on his
interest. When 51% vote yes, it means it is good for those people. It may or
may not bad for the rest of 49%. But who cares as long as it is not against
constitution.

【在 a**x 的大作中提到】
: 楼主就是SB,民主的精神在于compromise,通过投票多数压倒少数叫做专政,。楼主受
: tg洗脑太多

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s******g
发帖数: 1014
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universal health care is just about the surface.
The real problem is the high cost of medications.
Why should those hospitals charge their patients so much for so little
service? Insurance is not a welfare. Eventually, someone has to pay the cost
.

【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Americans are split about the Health Reform.
: Both sides have good points, obviously.
: So lets vote. Now We have won.
: Lets get drunk and let them go nuts.

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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You pay tax because it pays for police, etc.
D******e
发帖数: 1085
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Universal health care is a first step.
Government price control is the ultimate goal.

cost

【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: universal health care is just about the surface.
: The real problem is the high cost of medications.
: Why should those hospitals charge their patients so much for so little
: service? Insurance is not a welfare. Eventually, someone has to pay the cost
: .

a**x
发帖数: 255
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果然脑残,给土共洗脑
a**x
发帖数: 255
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government price control, 换句话说,叫做计划经济。自己看看仍然实行计划经济的
古巴北韩
t***h
发帖数: 5601
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The health care bill also tries to lower medical expenses, but wait and see
how it goes.

cost

【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: universal health care is just about the surface.
: The real problem is the high cost of medications.
: Why should those hospitals charge their patients so much for so little
: service? Insurance is not a welfare. Eventually, someone has to pay the cost
: .

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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Every developed country except the US has price control on health care. The
only G8 which dont have price control is the US.
there you go.

【在 a**x 的大作中提到】
: government price control, 换句话说,叫做计划经济。自己看看仍然实行计划经济的
: 古巴北韩

N********n
发帖数: 8363
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Price control takes incentives away from the producers and providers who
in turn produce & provide less, which is why it brings down quality and
creates shortage. It's economics 101, dumb socialist piece of shit.

【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Every developed country except the US has price control on health care. The
: only G8 which dont have price control is the US.
: there you go.

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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Health care is a funny business. When profits are chased, overall prices go
up instead of going down as seen in PCs.
Better drugs, better MRIs drive up the costs.
When no other sectors can give you 50% profit margin, you still want to be
in the health care.
Then, again, as a society, there is a point you have to decide to live 2
months longer, or give your children better education, a trip to the south
pole, or better car safety devices which also can save lives. For the poor
people, they migh

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Price control takes incentives away from the producers and providers who
: in turn produce & provide less, which is why it brings down quality and
: creates shortage. It's economics 101, dumb socialist piece of shit.

s******g
发帖数: 1014
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Too naive. That kind of control would never happen in the states.

【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Universal health care is a first step.
: Government price control is the ultimate goal.
:
: cost

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N********n
发帖数: 8363
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Better technology should drive price down, not up. Moron! The computer
you bought 4 years ago is now worth half as much. Why? Because better
technology makes it more affordable. That simple.
The reason health care expense stays up is b/c of all the regulation and
hurdle government put in place that make it expensive. In the part where
government is not involved like eye surgery where they compete, the price
goes down not up. It's less government bureaucracy that the system needs
not more, dumba

【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Health care is a funny business. When profits are chased, overall prices go
: up instead of going down as seen in PCs.
: Better drugs, better MRIs drive up the costs.
: When no other sectors can give you 50% profit margin, you still want to be
: in the health care.
: Then, again, as a society, there is a point you have to decide to live 2
: months longer, or give your children better education, a trip to the south
: pole, or better car safety devices which also can save lives. For the poor
: people, they migh

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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progress takes time. Never say never. Not in your life time.

【在 s******g 的大作中提到】
: Too naive. That kind of control would never happen in the states.
m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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Apparently you know little about health care. New technology in health care
is a new treatment or procedure that is not available before. In old day,
you have HIV and have no treatment. And you died in 6 months and it is cheap
. Now HIV can be treated by several drugs and it costs $150,000 per year to
take those drugs and you live for 20 more years. Net expense for this new
HIV drug technology is $3 millions per patient. New technology alwyas costs
more and much much more in heath care. So plea

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Better technology should drive price down, not up. Moron! The computer
: you bought 4 years ago is now worth half as much. Why? Because better
: technology makes it more affordable. That simple.
: The reason health care expense stays up is b/c of all the regulation and
: hurdle government put in place that make it expensive. In the part where
: government is not involved like eye surgery where they compete, the price
: goes down not up. It's less government bureaucracy that the system needs
: not more, dumba

N********n
发帖数: 8363
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Any tech in medicine drives the cost to roof b/c government puts too much
hurdle in the whole development, test and shipping process making it
tremendously expensive, and whoever providing the tech has to therefore
price the expense in the bill passed on to public. It's one major factor
why it's always expensive, you moronic piece of shit.

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Apparently you know little about health care. New technology in health care
: is a new treatment or procedure that is not available before. In old day,
: you have HIV and have no treatment. And you died in 6 months and it is cheap
: . Now HIV can be treated by several drugs and it costs $150,000 per year to
: take those drugs and you live for 20 more years. Net expense for this new
: HIV drug technology is $3 millions per patient. New technology alwyas costs
: more and much much more in heath care. So plea

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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You are simply wrong. It is a well agreed upon fact. Left or right. It is
the solution that was in dispute.
We need these kinds of people in their party. They weaken their party.
Good job, way to go.
m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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If there is no novel technology just upgrade like a computer, costs will
goes down. This is why dental or eye suguery cost will not go up. But when a
new treatment comes out, it will cost much much more. It is very simple
concept and I am amazed some "educated" here do not understand. This is
because new treatment extends life, which costs money. LIFe is money. For
liver cancer, it has no treatment now and patients die in 2-3 months. And
costs is very cheap. But when a new treatment comes out, t

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Any tech in medicine drives the cost to roof b/c government puts too much
: hurdle in the whole development, test and shipping process making it
: tremendously expensive, and whoever providing the tech has to therefore
: price the expense in the bill passed on to public. It's one major factor
: why it's always expensive, you moronic piece of shit.

y****t
发帖数: 10233
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apperently you know nothing about health care industry.
You dont even know how much overhead you need to pay just to satisfy fda.
New drugs are expensive because it is even more costly nowdays to satisfy
government bullcrap.
You live longer, since you spend more on advanced drugs, so what, as long as i can afford
to pay. I decide when it is the time for me to cut the drugs that i dont
want to pay anymore. I just simply dont want one day, gov step over and
telling me it is time to die and give me

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: Apparently you know little about health care. New technology in health care
: is a new treatment or procedure that is not available before. In old day,
: you have HIV and have no treatment. And you died in 6 months and it is cheap
: . Now HIV can be treated by several drugs and it costs $150,000 per year to
: take those drugs and you live for 20 more years. Net expense for this new
: HIV drug technology is $3 millions per patient. New technology alwyas costs
: more and much much more in heath care. So plea

N********n
发帖数: 8363
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If government's regulation puts hundreds of millions dollars price tag on
any kind of medicine development, it makes sure firstly only the big guys
can do it and hurts competition and secondly whoever that big guy is will
pass that expense onto the public. That's the source of all high cost.

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: If there is no novel technology just upgrade like a computer, costs will
: goes down. This is why dental or eye suguery cost will not go up. But when a
: new treatment comes out, it will cost much much more. It is very simple
: concept and I am amazed some "educated" here do not understand. This is
: because new treatment extends life, which costs money. LIFe is money. For
: liver cancer, it has no treatment now and patients die in 2-3 months. And
: costs is very cheap. But when a new treatment comes out, t

m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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more than 90% of the cost goes to death-bed treatment. If the society
focuses the "priceless" value of life, the costs will not go down. You can
spend infinite money like $100 millions on the person close to death and
extends his life for another month. In my opinion, death panel is needed to
save money. Death panel is a regulation. Patent law is regulation. For a
complete free market, "copy" should be allowed. You can not regulate "copy"
just let "free" market to deal with it. No regulation on

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: apperently you know nothing about health care industry.
: You dont even know how much overhead you need to pay just to satisfy fda.
: New drugs are expensive because it is even more costly nowdays to satisfy
: government bullcrap.
: You live longer, since you spend more on advanced drugs, so what, as long as i can afford
: to pay. I decide when it is the time for me to cut the drugs that i dont
: want to pay anymore. I just simply dont want one day, gov step over and
: telling me it is time to die and give me

y****t
发帖数: 10233
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It could be extended to all.
What the heck is tax the rich? This is pure delusional mystery. The cost all
pass down to middle class, who pays all the bills to feed government
parasites.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: If government's regulation puts hundreds of millions dollars price tag on
: any kind of medicine development, it makes sure firstly only the big guys
: can do it and hurts competition and secondly whoever that big guy is will
: pass that expense onto the public. That's the source of all high cost.

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y****t
发帖数: 10233
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It is the market, you stupid.

to
"

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: more than 90% of the cost goes to death-bed treatment. If the society
: focuses the "priceless" value of life, the costs will not go down. You can
: spend infinite money like $100 millions on the person close to death and
: extends his life for another month. In my opinion, death panel is needed to
: save money. Death panel is a regulation. Patent law is regulation. For a
: complete free market, "copy" should be allowed. You can not regulate "copy"
: just let "free" market to deal with it. No regulation on

N********n
发帖数: 8363
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Obviously these libtards have an economics IQ of zero.

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: It could be extended to all.
: What the heck is tax the rich? This is pure delusional mystery. The cost all
: pass down to middle class, who pays all the bills to feed government
: parasites.

m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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Repub's idea of priceless life is truly priceless. A Florida woman became
braindead in a car accident several years ago, and her husband wanted to
terminate the expensive $1 million dollar per month extensive care unit
treatment. Apparently he could not do so because her wife parents are big
republicans with connection to Bush Jr, brother of Bush the president and
then governor of Florida. So he issued an injunction to block the Court
decision that allow the husband to put death of his wife. So

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Obviously these libtards have an economics IQ of zero.

s******g
发帖数: 1014
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That will result the dissolve of the united states, much more serious than
the slavery thing 150 years ago.

【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: progress takes time. Never say never. Not in your life time.
D******e
发帖数: 1085
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And the Harvard business school and ultra smartest GS.
And only MK could design the Enron business model.
Only the 1000 IQties can design mass destruction weapons.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Obviously these libtards have an economics IQ of zero.

m*********a
发帖数: 3299
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This is the joke of the day. Coming to the death bed treatment, there is no
market force involved. There is always a established protocol for an
emergency procedure. The doctor will ask the patient or the medical power of
attorney when the patient can not make the decision to choose procedures
based on cons or pros on the medical merit, not based on the price of the
operation. The hospital will not ask you whether you can pay the procedure
in an death bed treatment like what the hospital do in C

【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: It is the market, you stupid.
:
: to
: "

y****t
发帖数: 10233
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the patient can not make the deision to choose procedure operation?
what the hell the world are you living in?

no
of
your

【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】
: This is the joke of the day. Coming to the death bed treatment, there is no
: market force involved. There is always a established protocol for an
: emergency procedure. The doctor will ask the patient or the medical power of
: attorney when the patient can not make the decision to choose procedures
: based on cons or pros on the medical merit, not based on the price of the
: operation. The hospital will not ask you whether you can pay the procedure
: in an death bed treatment like what the hospital do in C

D******e
发帖数: 1085
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The poor gets free health care and you are mad.
People on the death bed blow millions and do not pay for it and you are okay?
Solution: Price control.
Or for any treatment. You get standard treatment by law. But anything
extra, you have to show the money first. This is a more or less FAIR system.
Thats the ultimate goal.
The first step is the hardest. Cheer for the universal care!!!!
Long live Obama. We have won this battle. Lets win the war!!!!!!
l****z
发帖数: 29846
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