t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 1 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
一聊拙见。
巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
- Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
- Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
level business income tax in Omaha, Nebraska) 是$57.19M
- 假设Warren Buffett持有Berkshire Hathaway 25%股份，其年度captain gain
income为$14.30，交capital gain tax (@15%) $2.14M
- Warren Buffett任职为CEO and Chairman，给自己的年度compensation是$1M
- 我不知道Warren Buffett一年claim多少deduction，据说他的taxable income只有十
几万，而在十几万这个收入水平明显比他收入70万的秘书的tax bracket要低很多，这
也就是所谓 "I pay at lower income tax rate than my secretary"
- 但是Buffett个人劳动和资本在整个经济活动中创造的收益对比其收益创造的税收，
Buffett交纳的总税率远远超过他的助理
+++++++++++++++++
民主党及其左媒工具一贯闭着眼睛喊口号愚民也正因为美国民众信息和对信息分析能力
的缺乏
"If we have a massively informed public in America, Obama wouldn't have been
elected in 2008 to begin with, and the whole Democratic Party wouldn't have
gone this far left with socialistic engineering" |
l******t
发帖数: 12659 | |
t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 3 坐等左棍们捂着眼睛喊着口号路过
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，谢谢你的分析。
|
l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 4
they play the game of:
Grand theft - politics.
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 坐等左棍们捂着眼睛喊着口号路过
|
j*****3
发帖数: 654 | 5 come on，比秘书税率低，是人Buffet自己说的，so你的意思就是在这个问题上Buffet
比你笨，算得没你清楚 |
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 6 buffetj's rule has been approved as a law, which means you can write a check
to IRS if you think you pay less tax than you should. Where's the check
from Mr. Buffet?
Buffet
【在 j*****3 的大作中提到】
: come on，比秘书税率低，是人Buffet自己说的，so你的意思就是在这个问题上Buffet
: 比你笨，算得没你清楚
|
r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 7 Only morons didn't know buffet donate 99% of his money to charities.
Same as bill gates, and many other billionares
check
【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: buffetj's rule has been approved as a law, which means you can write a check
: to IRS if you think you pay less tax than you should. Where's the check
: from Mr. Buffet?
:
: Buffet
|
d******u
发帖数: 2196 | 8 你假设啥啊, 螺母泥把税表拿出来, 看看就知道啦. 闲的蛋疼 |
a*s
发帖数: 1220 | 9 首先共和党一直嚷嚷的DIVIDEND缴税是双重课税是有道理的，因为这些是交完公司税后
的钱再次缴税。问题是你确定这些公司都老老实实在美国全额缴税而没有利用其他
LOOPHOLE，比如海外投资收益留在海外。你知道GE、GOOGLE都能把实际税负减到最小，
别的公司不那么做吗？
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
a*s
发帖数: 1220 | 10 10 Most Profitable U.S. Corporations Paid Average Tax Rate Of Just 9 Percent
Last Year: Report
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/most-profitable-corpor
"According to the financial site NerdWallet, the 10 most profitable U.S.
companies paid an average federal tax rate of just 9 percent last year. The
group includes heavyweights Exxon Mobil, Apple, Microsoft, JPMorgan Chase
and General Electric. (Hat tip: Barry Ritholtz.)"
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
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Q****r
发帖数: 7340 | 11 富人都是自己成立基金，也就是捐给自己，一个口袋进另个口袋出，这是最好的避税手段
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: Only morons didn't know buffet donate 99% of his money to charities.
: Same as bill gates, and many other billionares
:
: check
|
d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 12 this is showing the definition of a moron
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: Only morons didn't know buffet donate 99% of his money to charities.
: Same as bill gates, and many other billionares
:
: check
|
h*******r
发帖数: 847 | 13 9%? 9% of what?
Percent
The
【在 a*s 的大作中提到】
: 10 Most Profitable U.S. Corporations Paid Average Tax Rate Of Just 9 Percent
: Last Year: Report
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/most-profitable-corpor
: "According to the financial site NerdWallet, the 10 most profitable U.S.
: companies paid an average federal tax rate of just 9 percent last year. The
: group includes heavyweights Exxon Mobil, Apple, Microsoft, JPMorgan Chase
: and General Electric. (Hat tip: Barry Ritholtz.)"
|
M*****n
发帖数: 16729 | 14 一句话，取消income tax可以省掉你们很多口舌。 |
a*s
发帖数: 1220 | 15 9%讲的是十家最赚钱的公司交的美国联邦税的实际税率，具体内容你看连接，我
不是作者也不是搞财会金融的，只不过也知道有很多TAX LOOPHOLE，没有哪家大
公司真正付35%的美国公司税。
【在 h*******r 的大作中提到】
: 9%? 9% of what?
:
: Percent
: The
|
t**********5
发帖数: 418 | 16 Big corporations hire the very people that wrote the tax laws for
comprehensive tax planning. They know the loopholes because they designed
and left them there.
That's what I've been saying, lowering corporate tax to make American
businesses more profitable and competitive on the global platform, (
currently the corporate tax in the US is higher than most developed
countries).
With the current tax codes, the middle class individuals and families pay
the most taxes, and the small and mid size businesses pay the most corporate
taxes. This is what exactly the Democrats want.
Percent
The
【在 a*s 的大作中提到】
: 10 Most Profitable U.S. Corporations Paid Average Tax Rate Of Just 9 Percent
: Last Year: Report
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/most-profitable-corpor
: "According to the financial site NerdWallet, the 10 most profitable U.S.
: companies paid an average federal tax rate of just 9 percent last year. The
: group includes heavyweights Exxon Mobil, Apple, Microsoft, JPMorgan Chase
: and General Electric. (Hat tip: Barry Ritholtz.)"
|
z****n
发帖数: 1933 | 17 我知道资本利得税是双重收税，富人付出多。但是谈这些有意义吗？
该收多少税本来就是个社会问题，而不是一个逻辑问题。
这些年，美国贫富差距是在变大还是变小，基尼指数摆在那里，自己去看。
等到量变成了质变，来个暴乱或者革命啥的，富人就是想交钱买命都难了。
富人的贪婪就是左派最好的助选者。
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
m********3
发帖数: 2125 | 18 他秘书能收入70万？
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
i**y
发帖数: 1170 | 19 No. But she is highly likely to be a "rich" as defined by DEMs.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/01/25/warr
【在 m********3 的大作中提到】
: 他秘书能收入70万？
|
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 20 Did he? or He said he plan to.
BTW, did you know his company has been fighting with IRS for years over
billions of tax fraud?
talking is cheap
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: Only morons didn't know buffet donate 99% of his money to charities.
: Same as bill gates, and many other billionares
:
: check
|
|
|
N**D
发帖数: 2885 | 21 n你的基本意思是对的， 只是细节上有些偏差。我也不是会计， 但算个圈内人士。
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 22 小人之心度君子之腹
手段
【在 Q****r 的大作中提到】
: 富人都是自己成立基金，也就是捐给自己，一个口袋进另个口袋出，这是最好的避税手段
|
g*q
发帖数: 26623 | 23 公司要交的税很多种,联邦所得税,州所得税,还有exercise tax.海外业务在海外还要另
外交税,等等.
连年盈利还能总体税负<20%大公司有,包括GE,DELL,MS.可乐的税率也不高.但是多数还
是在30%以上.
【在 a*s 的大作中提到】
: 9%讲的是十家最赚钱的公司交的美国联邦税的实际税率，具体内容你看连接，我
: 不是作者也不是搞财会金融的，只不过也知道有很多TAX LOOPHOLE，没有哪家大
: 公司真正付35%的美国公司税。
|
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 24 re, and lots of liberals like to use GE as an example. GE actually have a
very deep connection with Obama administration:
"
In America today, the biggest recipients of handouts are not poor people.
They're corporations.
General Electric CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt is super-close to President Obama.
The president named Immelt chairman of his Council on Jobs and
Competitiveness. Before that, Immelt was on Obama's Economic Recovery
Advisory Board.
"
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: 公司要交的税很多种,联邦所得税,州所得税,还有exercise tax.海外业务在海外还要另
: 外交税,等等.
: 连年盈利还能总体税负<20%大公司有,包括GE,DELL,MS.可乐的税率也不高.但是多数还
: 是在30%以上.
|
j*********g
发帖数: 3179 | 25 那消费税是不是双重收税？收入已近收过一遍了。
实际上所有的税收你都可以argue是双重税。
【在 a*s 的大作中提到】
: 首先共和党一直嚷嚷的DIVIDEND缴税是双重课税是有道理的，因为这些是交完公司税后
: 的钱再次缴税。问题是你确定这些公司都老老实实在美国全额缴税而没有利用其他
: LOOPHOLE，比如海外投资收益留在海外。你知道GE、GOOGLE都能把实际税负减到最小，
: 别的公司不那么做吗？
|
a*****e
发帖数: 2503 | 26 you showed profits VS tax.
Dem is talking about tax to US government.
In US, they pay less than 15%; in some countries, they pay 75%.
In US, some years big corp tax is 0.
Chevron CEO John Watson recently claimed “We’re the highest taxed industry
that I’m aware of” while the American Petroleum Institute has claimed the
industry pays a tax rate at more than 40 percent. But as Reuters explains,
the oil industry uses a different methodology to claim it pays an
artificially higher tax rate to the public. The industry “lumps together U.
S. and foreign taxes. It includes taxes that are deferred and thus not paid
yet. U.S. companies must pay taxes on profits earned abroad, but they can
defer these taxes until they bring the cash into the country.” The big five
use this tactic of hoarding cash oversees in tax havens, cutting their tax
rates drastically. Exxon uses at least 20 tax shelters. These tax loopholes
permit Exxon to pay a rate in-line with Mitt Romney, who’s also notorious
for tax dodging.
In 2010 Exxon Mobil paid a domestic federal income tax rate of just 17%,
based on their U.S. pre-tax income of $7.5 billion.13 Literally half the
standard corporate tax rate. Worse yet, in 2009, Exxon Mobil paid no U.S.
federal income taxes.14,15 That‟s right, 0%. This is because they took
advantage of the federal subsidy that allows them to take foreign tax
credits on royalties disguised as income taxes.16 These royalties are not
taxes but are in exchange for the right to produce oil. And they paid so
much in royalties to foreign governments that year that the U.S. government
was left with nothing, far less than the 43% they imply they pay in taxes.
Over the years 2008 to 2010, Exxon Mobil‟s domestic federal income tax
rate averaged just 14.2%.17 Other large oil companies paid similarly-low
domestic federal income tax rates over that period. Chevron‟s rate was
24.8%, ConocoPhillips‟s was 26.9%, Apache‟s was 0.6%, and
Marathon Oil‟s was 15.8%.18 None were anywhere near 43% or even close
to the standard rate of 35%
Thus, a recent Wall Street Journal editorial was technically correct when it
claimed, “[t]he federal Energy Information Administration reports that the
industry paid some $35.7 billion in corporate income taxes in 2009.”22
However, the $35.7 billion in corporate income taxes23 were paid worldwide,
and none of that amount was paid to the U.S. federal government.
【在 h*******r 的大作中提到】
: 9%? 9% of what?
:
: Percent
: The
|
a*****e
发帖数: 2503 | 27 GE is one of the top donors to MR but not to O8.
O8 seems close to Jeffrey because GE spent huge amount of money on clean
energy.
【在 K******S 的大作中提到】
: re, and lots of liberals like to use GE as an example. GE actually have a
: very deep connection with Obama administration:
: "
: In America today, the biggest recipients of handouts are not poor people.
: They're corporations.
: General Electric CEO Jeffrey R. Immelt is super-close to President Obama.
: The president named Immelt chairman of his Council on Jobs and
: Competitiveness. Before that, Immelt was on Obama's Economic Recovery
: Advisory Board.
: "
|
L*******9
发帖数: 936 | |
L******t
发帖数: 1985 | 29 Not necessarily classify myself as a leftist. But why the corporate income
taxes are all attributed to Buffet? Isn't the corporate income the outcome
of all of its employees' hard work?
As long as your total income, be it capital gain income or ordinary income,
exceeds certain threshold, a higher than 15% tax rate applies. That sounds
fairer.
A better argument can be the capital that Buffet has been using to generate
capital income has been taxed as ordinary income before it becomes capital.
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 30 you retard. no companies pay 35% tax. they use all kinds of loopholes to get
low tax rate.
Google only pays 2.4% tax.
If you never heard of "The Dutch Sandwich" or "The Double Irish", please
shut up and do some research. |
|
|
B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 31 Let me tell you of one company that pays very close to 35%: Target. If you
do not believe this check their annual report.
get
【在 P*********0 的大作中提到】
: you retard. no companies pay 35% tax. they use all kinds of loopholes to get
: low tax rate.
: Google only pays 2.4% tax.
: If you never heard of "The Dutch Sandwich" or "The Double Irish", please
: shut up and do some research.
|
t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 32 charity is not tax
【在 r*******t 的大作中提到】
: Only morons didn't know buffet donate 99% of his money to charities.
: Same as bill gates, and many other billionares
:
: check
|
i**y
发帖数: 1170 | 33 不是，消费税是州税，和联邦政府无关。
【在 j*********g 的大作中提到】
: 那消费税是不是双重收税？收入已近收过一遍了。
: 实际上所有的税收你都可以argue是双重税。
|
B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 34 Compensation taxation depends on component.Cash portion is taxed at ordinary
income tax rate depends on how many cash is received. However, stocks,
stock options, etc. are not taxed unless you sell the stock or exercise the
options.Even if you exercise you will still pay capital gain tax, so Warren
Buffett is not really paying heck a lot relative to Romney.
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不是会计行业也不是wealth management行业的，但是混corporate investment圈儿
: ，对这些东西还是略知一二，近日看版上几个仇富黄左上窜下跳，尽秀智商底线，我就
: 一聊拙见。
: 巴菲特和罗姆尼的收入构成非常相似，他们主要的收入形式为capital gain income（
: 投资收益），目前美国的capital gain income tax rate为15%
: 巴菲特作为Berkshire Hathaway的持股人，他的投资收益可以这样来计算，假设：
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income是$100M，交federal corporate income
: tax 35%，交Nebraska state corporate income tax 7.81%，暂且不考虑municipal级
: 的税（因为我不知道Omaha的税率）
: - Berkshire Hathaway, Inc 年net income after tax (exclusive of municipal
|
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 35 不懂税的别胡扯.
消费税为什么是双重税? 那个货物销售前被收过税了?
【在 j*********g 的大作中提到】
: 那消费税是不是双重收税？收入已近收过一遍了。
: 实际上所有的税收你都可以argue是双重税。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 36 又是一个不懂税的, 收税要看收入来源的是不是? 高风险投资的收入税率应该跟平常工
资的税率一样嘛? 何况还有个双重税收的问题.
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【在 L******t 的大作中提到】
: Not necessarily classify myself as a leftist. But why the corporate income
: taxes are all attributed to Buffet? Isn't the corporate income the outcome
: of all of its employees' hard work?
: As long as your total income, be it capital gain income or ordinary income,
: exceeds certain threshold, a higher than 15% tax rate applies. That sounds
: fairer.
: A better argument can be the capital that Buffet has been using to generate
: capital income has been taxed as ordinary income before it becomes capital.
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L******t
发帖数: 1985 | 37 The money you use to purchase is taxed already. That hard to understand?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 不懂税的别胡扯.
: 消费税为什么是双重税? 那个货物销售前被收过税了?
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L******t
发帖数: 1985 | 38 Higher risk means lower tax rate? Who taught you that?
You helpless quick hand slow brain.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 又是一个不懂税的, 收税要看收入来源的是不是? 高风险投资的收入税率应该跟平常工
: 资的税率一样嘛? 何况还有个双重税收的问题.
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