j***w
发帖数: 489 | 1 NYTimes最新文章：
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/sunday-review/more-guns-more-
抄一段：
Scientific studies have consistently found that places with more guns have
more violent deaths, both homicides and suicides. Women and children are
more likely to die if there’s a gun in the house. The more guns in an area,
the higher the local suicide rates. “Generally, if you live in a civilized
society, more guns mean more death,” said David Hemenway, director of the
Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that having
more guns reduces crime. None at all.” | b******o
发帖数: 5644 | 2 Generally, if you live in a civilized society, more guns mean more death,”
said David Hemenway
这是对的。但是这个IF有点大。看看NJIT的仲兴吧。他和劫匪可能都没枪，或者劫匪有
枪也没用，但一个优秀青年还是死了。如果劫匪想到他可能有枪，可能会偷袭他，他还
会死，但也可能就放弃打劫这个高风险低收益的目标，仲兴就还活着。 | s*******n
发帖数: 12995 | 3 典型的偷换概念。
跟Guatemala这种国家比，有可比性吗？
这种文章都是写给脑残的人看的。
area,
civilized
【在 j***w 的大作中提到】
: NYTimes最新文章：
: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/sunday-review/more-guns-more-
: 抄一段：
: Scientific studies have consistently found that places with more guns have
: more violent deaths, both homicides and suicides. Women and children are
: more likely to die if there’s a gun in the house. The more guns in an area,
: the higher the local suicide rates. “Generally, if you live in a civilized
: society, more guns mean more death,” said David Hemenway, director of the
: Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that having
: more guns reduces crime. None at all.”
| j***w
发帖数: 489 | 4 那跟more civilized的国家比吗？那些国家拥枪比例远低美国，当然homicide rate也
远低。不知你想表达什么观点。
NRA的观点是枪越多越安全，南美国家的现状就是一大讽刺。
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 典型的偷换概念。
: 跟Guatemala这种国家比，有可比性吗？
: 这种文章都是写给脑残的人看的。
:
: area,
: civilized
| b******o
发帖数: 5644 | 5
NRA是观点是基于美国的现实情况的。NRA不是国际组织。
【在 j***w 的大作中提到】
: 那跟more civilized的国家比吗？那些国家拥枪比例远低美国，当然homicide rate也
: 远低。不知你想表达什么观点。
: NRA的观点是枪越多越安全，南美国家的现状就是一大讽刺。
| j***w
发帖数: 489 | 6 再抄两段：
Indeed, even as some Americans propose expanding our gun culture into
elementary schools, some Latin American cities are trying to rein in theirs.
Bogotá’s new mayor, Gustavo Petro, has forbidden residents to carry
weapons on streets, in cars or in any public space since last February, and
the murder rate has dropped 50 percent to a 27-year low. He said, “Guns are
not a defense, they are a risk.”
William Godnick, coordinator of the Public Security Program at the United
Nations Regional Center for Peace, Disarmament and Development in Latin
America and the Caribbean, said that United Nations studies in Central
America showed that people who used a gun to defend against an armed assault
were far more likely to be injured or killed than if they had no weapon.
area,
civilized
the
【在 j***w 的大作中提到】
: NYTimes最新文章：
: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/sunday-review/more-guns-more-
: 抄一段：
: Scientific studies have consistently found that places with more guns have
: more violent deaths, both homicides and suicides. Women and children are
: more likely to die if there’s a gun in the house. The more guns in an area,
: the higher the local suicide rates. “Generally, if you live in a civilized
: society, more guns mean more death,” said David Hemenway, director of the
: Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that having
: more guns reduces crime. None at all.”
| l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 7 左棍就喜欢曲解别人的话,然后树个靶子打.
NRA说的是合法拥枪的越多就越安全,不是枪越多越安全,这个区别你分不清?
【在 j***w 的大作中提到】
: 那跟more civilized的国家比吗？那些国家拥枪比例远低美国，当然homicide rate也
: 远低。不知你想表达什么观点。
: NRA的观点是枪越多越安全，南美国家的现状就是一大讽刺。
| P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 8 清华那个？不是没伤吗？
”
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7
【在 b******o 的大作中提到】
: Generally, if you live in a civilized society, more guns mean more death,”
: said David Hemenway
: 这是对的。但是这个IF有点大。看看NJIT的仲兴吧。他和劫匪可能都没枪，或者劫匪有
: 枪也没用，但一个优秀青年还是死了。如果劫匪想到他可能有枪，可能会偷袭他，他还
: 会死，但也可能就放弃打劫这个高风险低收益的目标，仲兴就还活着。
| s*******n
发帖数: 12995 | 9 而且NYTimes这篇文章里full of lie, 虽然美国跟澳洲没有可比性，无论人口和枪支数
量都相差甚远。
AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
April 13, 2009
It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five
years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology
acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of
firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a
firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D
.C. Examiner.
Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that
the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:
In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9
percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both
experienced similar decreases in murder rates:
Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun
ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in
Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9
percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19
.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2
percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.
While this doesn't prove that more guns would impact crime rates, it does
prove that gun control is a flawed policy. Furthermore, this highlights the
most important point: gun banners promote failed policy regardless of the
consequences to the people who must live with them, says the Examiner.
Source: Howard Nemerov, "Australia experiencing more violent crime despite
gun ban," D.C. Examiner, April 8, 2009. | C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 10 只要看到纽约时报谈枪的，就全当放屁。左逼不用辩了，有本事来拿。 | b******o
发帖数: 5644 | 11
叫贼吓死的就不算了？踢球的时候那么激烈的跑动碰撞都没事。警察都说是抢劫了。
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: 清华那个？不是没伤吗？
:
: ”
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.7
| t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 12 There is no evidence that banning guns reduces crime. None at all.
area,
civilized
the
【在 j***w 的大作中提到】
: NYTimes最新文章：
: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/sunday-review/more-guns-more-
: 抄一段：
: Scientific studies have consistently found that places with more guns have
: more violent deaths, both homicides and suicides. Women and children are
: more likely to die if there’s a gun in the house. The more guns in an area,
: the higher the local suicide rates. “Generally, if you live in a civilized
: society, more guns mean more death,” said David Hemenway, director of the
: Harvard Injury Control Research Center. “There is no evidence that having
: more guns reduces crime. None at all.”
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