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发帖数: 263 | 1 80-20促进会希望能够帮助梁警官。其中的重要一步是彻底调查事实。
请大家帮助验证以下事实来共同帮助梁警官：
1）他们的老板有没有明令梁和他的伙伴不要在该建筑物做垂直巡逻？
2）梁有没有承认他的手指是在扳机上？或者，他说他的手指是沿着枪管但当他的右肩
膀打门的时候下滑了？
3）是否有任何实物证据证明子弹打在墙上然后跳飞？实物证据被保护和/或拍照了吗？
4）梁和他的伙伴有没有先叫警察联盟，4分钟后才拨打911？
5）有一些文章描述当时楼梯间为“漆黑”。是真的吗？陪审团可以很容易地相信梁警
官在这个危险的公共住房项目区的漆黑一片的楼梯间里会感到威胁。那么在这种情况下
他要是把手指放在扳机上是否合理？
6）布鲁克林地区检察官近日起诉过其他什么警察射击或殴打案件吗？
7）梁的伙伴在此事件中起什么样的作用？他被调查或者处分了吗？
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请看以下80-20促进会吴仙标先生关于此事的全文：
80-20 will fight for YOU & Officer Peter Liang
80-20 will fight for YOU & Officer Peter Liang
Have you heard about the arraignment against Officer Peter Liang of the
NYPD? 80-20 has received many emails from Asian Ams pleading for us to
look into this matter.
After a Board meeting, 80-2O Initiative takes the following positions:
1) It shall not let Officer Peter Liang be the victim of political
scapegoating, if indeed we conclude this is the case, after our thorough
fact-finding.
2) It advises Asian Ams. not to join or participate in petitions and
movements that only expose our community's political ignorance/
immaturity which makes us even weaker. Take the recent White House
petitions as examples. The initiators and signers are great people who
yearned for justice. 80-20 thanks them and shares their goal. However
, those petitions ignore the legal environment in the USA. Keep in
mind that the President of the U.S. has no legal authority over an
indictment in Brooklyn. Nor is Pres. Obama likely to make a statement on an
ongoing legal case. In America, we need to practice politics the American
way.
Remember the Jimmy Kimmel "kill every Chinese" episode? 80-20 got the
first and ONLY written apology from ABC soon after the event. Weeks after a
White House petition, which asked Pres. Obama to interfere, had reached 100
,000 signers, and long after the matter has been satisfactorily resolved,
there was a White House statement on this matter. Did anyone remember what
was said? (Please note that this was not a reflection on the White House,
but a reflection on the silliness of that petition. President Obama is not
the equivalent of a Chinese Emperor. He has no authority over ABC, a
private enterprise.)
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
- George Santayana.
However, if there were a petition to 80-20 to help Office Liang and it
quickly gathers 100,000 signatures, it would be much more effective. Why?
Because 80-20 would be greatly empowered by the apparent yearning for
its leadership, thereby enabling it to do even more.
3) 80-20 will strive to create a win-win situation to ensure justice for
Officer Liang. This part of 80-20's effort requires tactical maneuver in the
future. Hence, we'll only summarize the essence. The indictment of
Officer Liang could be partially politically motivated. Hence 80-20 will
act with politics in mind as well, while stressing fact finding. Our aim is
to create a win-win situation for District Attorney Thompson of Brooklyn,
the African American community, and Officer Peter Liang, while upholding
justice!
4) 80-20 will be doing much fact findings and fact checkings in matters*
shown below my name. I encourage all to volunteer your effort to help.
Forward this e-newsletter!
Step by Step We Will Strengthen Ourselves!
WANT SERVICE? Pay for it, although I and many others have worked for
YOU for free for the last 16 years.
DONATE to SELF till it hurts.www.80-20EF.org
S.B. Woo, a volunteer
President, 80-20 Asian Am. National Educational Foundation
www.80-20EF.org
Help us spread the word, like us on Facebook, follow us on Twitter !
* Facts that 80-20 is very interested in verifying:
i) Were Liang and his partner explicitly ordered not to do vertical
patrolling in that building by their boss?
ii) Had Liang admitted that his finger was on the trigger? Or, did he state
that his finger was along the gun barrel but slipped when his right
shoulder hit a door?
iii) Is there any physical evidence that the bullet hit the wall and
ricocheted? Has the physical evidence been protected and/or photographed?
iv) Did Liang and his partner call the Police Union first and 4 minutes
later call 911?
v) Some articles describe the stairwell as being "pitch black." Is it true
? The jury could easily be convinced that Officer Liang would feel
threatened in this dangerous public housing project area where the stairwell
is pitch black. Would it then have been reasonable for him to keep the
finger on the trigger?
vi) What other police shooting or assault cases has the Brooklyn DA
prosecuted recently?
vII) What role did Liang's partner play in this incident? Is he under
investigation or being disciplined?
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发帖数: 3656 | 2
If joining the white house petition is "political ignorant/immature", I
would urge 80-20 to communicate with democratic leadership who should in
turn urge the president to stop hosting such a petition site. This petition
site is created by the Obama administration. Is 80-20 saying white house
uses this site to pray on the ignorant and immature people? Maybe, cos after
I signed petitions, I started receiving emails asking for campaign
donations. hahaha.
we need to practice politics the American way.
Do people recall what happened in Zimmerman case? something about how the
president's son would look like?
BTW, 4 years later, the DOJ finally relented and announced that no civil
charges against Zimmerman. No hate crimes, not even civil charges. I wonder
how much tax payers' money were wasted by those politicians and activistsin
chasing this made up "racial crime
" while true racist cases like the injustice brought upon officer Liang are
perpetrated by the same group.
event.
I can't believe 80-20 is talking about that "apology". received one day
before the first organized street protest, after which 80-20 completely
excused themselves from that movement. The sole purpose of that apology by
ABC was to divert the attention and stave off a protest in front of their
building.
Maybe, but the problem is 80-20 came out publicly about this AFTER 120,000
people already signed the petition. Not after the first 10,000, not after
the first 50,000, but after we the people gathered 120,000 signatures within
just a few days. Much like in the Kimmel protest, 80-20 came out after the
people have gather great momentum and tried to claim leadership. The cynical
explanation is political opportunism, but I d give 80-20 the benefit of
doubt and call it lost touch with its base, that they don't know what the
Chinese community really care about until it hit them like a train.
YOU for free for the last 16 years.
I can't seem to recall one single formal letter from 80-20 without asking
for donation. I have to say my donation will more like go to the campaign
opponent of city council woman Chin.
【在 J********y 的大作中提到】
: 80-20促进会希望能够帮助梁警官。其中的重要一步是彻底调查事实。
: 请大家帮助验证以下事实来共同帮助梁警官：
: 1）他们的老板有没有明令梁和他的伙伴不要在该建筑物做垂直巡逻？
: 2）梁有没有承认他的手指是在扳机上？或者，他说他的手指是沿着枪管但当他的右肩
: 膀打门的时候下滑了？
: 3）是否有任何实物证据证明子弹打在墙上然后跳飞？实物证据被保护和/或拍照了吗？
: 4）梁和他的伙伴有没有先叫警察联盟，4分钟后才拨打911？
: 5）有一些文章描述当时楼梯间为“漆黑”。是真的吗？陪审团可以很容易地相信梁警
: 官在这个危险的公共住房项目区的漆黑一片的楼梯间里会感到威胁。那么在这种情况下
: 他要是把手指放在扳机上是否合理？
| J********y
发帖数: 263 | 3 Keep in mind that American government has three branches: Legislative,
Judicial, and Executive. Each branch is independent of each other. Then
there is the difference between Federal government, statement government and
local government, which are three separate government entities unlike in
China. Federal government in the U.S. has no authority over state or local
government. Obama's authority only extents to the executive branch of the
Federal government. If you file a petition to White House about any Federal
executive agency, Obama definitely has a say about that. Kenneth P.
Thompson, the official who charged Peter Liang with five alleged crimes,is
the District Attorney of Kings County, in Brooklyn, New York, that is the
judicial branch of a county government. Now can you see why Mr. Woo called
the white house petition is "political ignorant/immature"?
petition
after
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
:
: If joining the white house petition is "political ignorant/immature", I
: would urge 80-20 to communicate with democratic leadership who should in
: turn urge the president to stop hosting such a petition site. This petition
: site is created by the Obama administration. Is 80-20 saying white house
: uses this site to pray on the ignorant and immature people? Maybe, cos after
: I signed petitions, I started receiving emails asking for campaign
: donations. hahaha.
: we need to practice politics the American way.
: Do people recall what happened in Zimmerman case? something about how the
| a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 4 yes, yes, 3 branches.
Was city council woman Mag Chin in the local Judicial branch?
and I guess if the current head of the executive branch had a son, he would
NOT look like Peter Liang would he.
and
Federal
【在 J********y 的大作中提到】
: Keep in mind that American government has three branches: Legislative,
: Judicial, and Executive. Each branch is independent of each other. Then
: there is the difference between Federal government, statement government and
: local government, which are three separate government entities unlike in
: China. Federal government in the U.S. has no authority over state or local
: government. Obama's authority only extents to the executive branch of the
: Federal government. If you file a petition to White House about any Federal
: executive agency, Obama definitely has a say about that. Kenneth P.
: Thompson, the official who charged Peter Liang with five alleged crimes,is
: the District Attorney of Kings County, in Brooklyn, New York, that is the
| J********y
发帖数: 263 | 5 If 10,000 Chinese people in New York City get on the street and burn and
loot everything, I am sure Obama would say something about it.
would
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: yes, yes, 3 branches.
: Was city council woman Mag Chin in the local Judicial branch?
: and I guess if the current head of the executive branch had a son, he would
: NOT look like Peter Liang would he.
:
: and
: Federal
| a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 6 I don't even know WTF you are talking about, such mature, sophisticated post.
but let me entertain guessing what he would say, "the chinese absolutely
have the right to protest"?
【在 J********y 的大作中提到】
: If 10,000 Chinese people in New York City get on the street and burn and
: loot everything, I am sure Obama would say something about it.
:
: would
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