l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 Intolerant Gay Rights Activists Decry Individual Liberty, Endorse Gov’t
Coercion
March 30, 2015 - 4:44 PM
By Jen Kuznicki
Indiana Gov. Mike Pence holds a news conference at the Statehouse in
Indianapolis, Thursday, March 26, 2015, praising the legislation as an
opportunity to support religious conscience for "every Hoosier of every
faith.". (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)
The recent legislation signed into law in the State of Indiana by Governor
Mike Pence hinges on the idea that if a person opens a privately-owned
business, they must be able to serve those who wish to pay for services
under their own discretion of right and wrong.
It is simple liberty, just as it is simple liberty to refuse service to
those people coming into a business without proper clothing, or who are
acting untoward.
But gay activism has shot liberty down, as Indiana has been the focus of
boycotts by those interested in promoting the idea that if you own a
business, you shall have no control over who you provide service to.
Considering that a lawsuit brought by gay rights activists could jeopardize
a business’s ability to continue, the law protects the rights of the
business owner from governmental overreach while maintaining that private
business is not public business.
The idea that a member of the public can force a private business to act
when it does not wish to, breaks down the meaning of private and causes
friction with their free exercise of commerce.
The idea also, that rules governing a for-profit business should force that
business to serve anyone who walks through the door, forgets that your labor
is something you own and that for a lot of people, their labor is for the
greater glory of God.
I frankly don’t understand why gay activists would want to enlist
government to enforce their ability to receive a service, like for example,
the creation of a wedding cake for a “gay wedding” from a business who
adamantly refuses their business. You can’t make people change their minds
, yet with the boycotts, the message is: make me a cake, or your livelihood
is over.
This introduces the communistic method of common ownership of the means of
production, by ascribing a “right” to receive services. But like all
ideas coming from the left, it reduces autonomy, ending in complete control
of commerce by the state. It never works though, and this sheds light on a
massive problem with the left, which endeavors to convince the people that
they, as a body politic, should own all means of production and then have no
say in how it’s managed. Your money is confiscated so that “philosopher
kings” can run it, while you have no say in how your tax dollars are spent,
for the “greater good.”
There is no restriction for a gay couple to find a cake maker who would be
more than happy to provide them a service. The gay activists, it seems,
would rather force someone (force being another communistic tool) to bake
them a cake rather than taking their money where it is wanted, (without
force).
It seems certain that all gay individuals would not want the means of
production to be held, by force, by the government alone. So it’s not clear
why more people aren’t speaking up about the importance of keeping
business and government separate.
The fact that there are rules set by the owners of the establishment about
common decency that go hand in hand with the ability of a business to
provide a service proves that there are restrictions on any transaction
moving forward.
I am reminded of a class I took on bartending: One of the attendees of the
class remarked that he was told by a patron that he could not be thrown out
of the bar upon coming in too drunk to talk, because it was a public place.
Though it seemed obvious to me that, while a person is a member of the
public, once they enter a private business they are to comport themselves in
a manner that will get them the service they seek or be refused, the
attendee couldn’t see that line of logic. A “public place” is a road, a
park, a government building, anything that is paid for by public tax dollars.
So, it seems to me that if you want government to own all means of
production, a stated goal of communism, you should come right out and admit
that you prefer that failed method of government and that you decry
individual liberty, including religious liberty, the balance sought by a
representative republic.
Jen Kuznicki is a wife and mother, seamstress by trade, and American patriot
who says, "Now is the time to act." | a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 2 this is a tough one.
I would not be very happy if I walked into a store but the owner refused to
serve me because I m Asian.
On the other hand, I sympathize with religious people who do not wish to
administer or cater a gay wedding.
Sexual orientation is a much weaker trait than race.
it is also interesting to flip this argument. if a gay person opened a shop,
and a customer walked in waring a T-shirt printed with things like "
homosexuality is bad", should this gay owner have the right to refuse
service this person?
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Intolerant Gay Rights Activists Decry Individual Liberty, Endorse Gov’t
: Coercion
: March 30, 2015 - 4:44 PM
: By Jen Kuznicki
: Indiana Gov. Mike Pence holds a news conference at the Statehouse in
: Indianapolis, Thursday, March 26, 2015, praising the legislation as an
: opportunity to support religious conscience for "every Hoosier of every
: faith.". (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)
: The recent legislation signed into law in the State of Indiana by Governor
: Mike Pence hinges on the idea that if a person opens a privately-owned
| T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 3 Yes. Wise or not, any owner, supposedly a private business owner, should
have the right to refuse service b/c of opinion.
to
shop,
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: this is a tough one.
: I would not be very happy if I walked into a store but the owner refused to
: serve me because I m Asian.
: On the other hand, I sympathize with religious people who do not wish to
: administer or cater a gay wedding.
: Sexual orientation is a much weaker trait than race.
: it is also interesting to flip this argument. if a gay person opened a shop,
: and a customer walked in waring a T-shirt printed with things like "
: homosexuality is bad", should this gay owner have the right to refuse
: service this person?
| x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 4 你第一个例子,作为asia,不爽归不爽,但我认为对方有权利不服务于我.不管是因为我的
肤色,种族,身高,年龄,性别.法律可以强制个人不能做某些事,但不能强制个人做某些事
,否则就有机会无限侵入个人的自由(liberty).
这种由于宗教信仰而不愿服务某一类特定人群的商业行为,应该交给市场去选择,而不是
法律和政府.
to
shop,
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: this is a tough one.
: I would not be very happy if I walked into a store but the owner refused to
: serve me because I m Asian.
: On the other hand, I sympathize with religious people who do not wish to
: administer or cater a gay wedding.
: Sexual orientation is a much weaker trait than race.
: it is also interesting to flip this argument. if a gay person opened a shop,
: and a customer walked in waring a T-shirt printed with things like "
: homosexuality is bad", should this gay owner have the right to refuse
: service this person?
| a*********a
发帖数: 3656 | 5 you have a point.
it there many businesses who refuse to server asians, then there would not
be many Asians who immigrate here.
【在 x****k 的大作中提到】
: 你第一个例子,作为asia,不爽归不爽,但我认为对方有权利不服务于我.不管是因为我的
: 肤色,种族,身高,年龄,性别.法律可以强制个人不能做某些事,但不能强制个人做某些事
: ,否则就有机会无限侵入个人的自由(liberty).
: 这种由于宗教信仰而不愿服务某一类特定人群的商业行为,应该交给市场去选择,而不是
: 法律和政府.
:
: to
: shop,
| T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 6 但是市场不会那么傻。放弃和种族没有任何关系的钱。必然有人愿意挣老中的那份生意。
最不种族歧视的就是市场了。两根金条，那根更光荣更高尚？
【在 a*********a 的大作中提到】
: you have a point.
: it there many businesses who refuse to server asians, then there would not
: be many Asians who immigrate here.
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