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USANews版 - 美国的问题,本质是左棍搞的福利制度逆向淘汰,奖懒惩勤
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x********e
发帖数: 2275
1
就算没有一个非法移民,美国内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多,然后整个社会
垃圾化。
就算没有一个黑人,白人内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多。因为现在的制度就
是对吃福利的人有利。
非法移民、黑人什么的,只是加快了这个过程。
我看解决美国的社会问题,就一条:“不劳动者,不得食”(当然是指有劳动能力的人
。)。
M*******t
发帖数: 189
2
这其实还是个Culture问题。
有福利没啥不可以,但是有劳动能力的人就不应该白拿,实在没办法,每天跑多少个
mile在来拿福利。
总之所得要配合付出,如果你没有社会需要的技能,你也要把精力浪费掉再来拿福利。

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 就算没有一个非法移民,美国内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多,然后整个社会
: 垃圾化。
: 就算没有一个黑人,白人内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多。因为现在的制度就
: 是对吃福利的人有利。
: 非法移民、黑人什么的,只是加快了这个过程。
: 我看解决美国的社会问题,就一条:“不劳动者,不得食”(当然是指有劳动能力的人
: 。)。

s*********e
发帖数: 1814
3
白拿也行,但是劳动的收获明显比白拿好,比如没收入一个月拿一千,收入一千的拿六
七百,两千的一两百
绝对不能剥夺人工作的动力,否则人会变懒,社会变堕落
现在这社会,最低工资一涨,部分白拿但还 part time job 的就要求减少工作时间,
以符合白拿标准

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 这其实还是个Culture问题。
: 有福利没啥不可以,但是有劳动能力的人就不应该白拿,实在没办法,每天跑多少个
: mile在来拿福利。
: 总之所得要配合付出,如果你没有社会需要的技能,你也要把精力浪费掉再来拿福利。

a**e
发帖数: 8800
4
跟文化传统无关,这是权利和义务分离后的必然结果。

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 就算没有一个非法移民,美国内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多,然后整个社会
: 垃圾化。
: 就算没有一个黑人,白人内部也是会逐渐懒人、吃福利的越来越多。因为现在的制度就
: 是对吃福利的人有利。
: 非法移民、黑人什么的,只是加快了这个过程。
: 我看解决美国的社会问题,就一条:“不劳动者,不得食”(当然是指有劳动能力的人
: 。)。

M*******t
发帖数: 189
5
是Incentive完全颠倒

【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 跟文化传统无关,这是权利和义务分离后的必然结果。
T******g
发帖数: 21328
6
和文化没关系,人都是自私的
民主党是谁投我的票,我就给这些人更多福利,这些底层的,甚至非法移民都拼命支持
民主党。民主党执政为了讨好这些人,又拼命加大福利筹码,搞得福利党干不干活都一
样。
然后民主党还会说低端活没人干,所以我们还需要非法移民。最后恶性循环,就会和希
腊差不多了

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 这其实还是个Culture问题。
: 有福利没啥不可以,但是有劳动能力的人就不应该白拿,实在没办法,每天跑多少个
: mile在来拿福利。
: 总之所得要配合付出,如果你没有社会需要的技能,你也要把精力浪费掉再来拿福利。

r****p
发帖数: 480
7
不光是奖懒惩勤,我认为对亚裔最大的威胁是纵容犯罪。"non violent" drug dealer
啊, 罪犯要减刑啊要给选举权啊,还有天天提的天使与警察问题,再加上一直推崇的禁
枪,一旦实现了是不给亚裔活路啊。看看隔壁犯罪率升高的帖子就知道了,我们来美国
难道愿意生活在一个暴力横行的社会里面吗?
M*******t
发帖数: 189
8
其实吃福利阶段应该suspend to vote,除非以前交过一些年的税,
可惜这话Trump都不敢说。Trump却哪合法移民的life讨好红脖子。
我说culture问题是说这么多年Ghetto Life,很多生长在那里的人觉得不干活拿福利已
经天经地义的了,干活,学习,have a better llife就是背叛自己的community。这样
的认识已经根深蒂固了。

【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 和文化没关系,人都是自私的
: 民主党是谁投我的票,我就给这些人更多福利,这些底层的,甚至非法移民都拼命支持
: 民主党。民主党执政为了讨好这些人,又拼命加大福利筹码,搞得福利党干不干活都一
: 样。
: 然后民主党还会说低端活没人干,所以我们还需要非法移民。最后恶性循环,就会和希
: 腊差不多了

T******g
发帖数: 21328
9
不交税就不让投票,民主党主力票仓的上大学的年轻人,大部分黑人,劳模,监狱罪犯
都不能投票了。这是要民主党的命了。而且这些不可能实现的,vote权力是公民基本权
力,改其来太难了。
Trump其实是在讨好城市附近低收入的或者失业的美国人,是说一些类似ICC海外空降的
低收入的简单工作应该让本地人做。这样至少还是鼓励工作。

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 其实吃福利阶段应该suspend to vote,除非以前交过一些年的税,
: 可惜这话Trump都不敢说。Trump却哪合法移民的life讨好红脖子。
: 我说culture问题是说这么多年Ghetto Life,很多生长在那里的人觉得不干活拿福利已
: 经天经地义的了,干活,学习,have a better llife就是背叛自己的community。这样
: 的认识已经根深蒂固了。

T******g
发帖数: 21328
10
平均主义,不劳而获,纵容罪犯,讨好非法移民,这些都是反社会反常理的举措。不这
么做,民主党很难在正常人口社会取得多数。这也算为了政治利益不择手段吧,和TG越
来越像了。

dealer

【在 r****p 的大作中提到】
: 不光是奖懒惩勤,我认为对亚裔最大的威胁是纵容犯罪。"non violent" drug dealer
: 啊, 罪犯要减刑啊要给选举权啊,还有天天提的天使与警察问题,再加上一直推崇的禁
: 枪,一旦实现了是不给亚裔活路啊。看看隔壁犯罪率升高的帖子就知道了,我们来美国
: 难道愿意生活在一个暴力横行的社会里面吗?

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M*******t
发帖数: 189
11
可没人会把我们单独列出来:
人太少,
本来就没投票权。
我们只可能被人一把抓。
在Trump的政策版图里,被一起当作弃子处理掉远远大于任何其他选项。
而你说的ICC问题几乎就只是个执行层面的问题,国会连立法都没谈到的事儿,一个总
统关注一下,让DHS出个regulation就完事儿了。Trump扯出来就是为了表达说合法移民
一样坏。这部分他的idea基本来自Sessions

【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 不交税就不让投票,民主党主力票仓的上大学的年轻人,大部分黑人,劳模,监狱罪犯
: 都不能投票了。这是要民主党的命了。而且这些不可能实现的,vote权力是公民基本权
: 力,改其来太难了。
: Trump其实是在讨好城市附近低收入的或者失业的美国人,是说一些类似ICC海外空降的
: 低收入的简单工作应该让本地人做。这样至少还是鼓励工作。

T******g
发帖数: 21328
12
巴马会关注?民主党忙着讨好非法移民吧,合法移民利益为了非法移民都可以牺牲的

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 可没人会把我们单独列出来:
: 人太少,
: 本来就没投票权。
: 我们只可能被人一把抓。
: 在Trump的政策版图里,被一起当作弃子处理掉远远大于任何其他选项。
: 而你说的ICC问题几乎就只是个执行层面的问题,国会连立法都没谈到的事儿,一个总
: 统关注一下,让DHS出个regulation就完事儿了。Trump扯出来就是为了表达说合法移民
: 一样坏。这部分他的idea基本来自Sessions

M*******t
发帖数: 189
13
投票权只是一个idea。是很难。把全部非法滞留的人都赶走也很难,也是idea。
关键要有incentive让人有动力走出吃福利这种怪圈。

【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 不交税就不让投票,民主党主力票仓的上大学的年轻人,大部分黑人,劳模,监狱罪犯
: 都不能投票了。这是要民主党的命了。而且这些不可能实现的,vote权力是公民基本权
: 力,改其来太难了。
: Trump其实是在讨好城市附近低收入的或者失业的美国人,是说一些类似ICC海外空降的
: 低收入的简单工作应该让本地人做。这样至少还是鼓励工作。

T*********I
发帖数: 10729
14
不劳动者,不得食。很公平。
不行去跑步,劳动,换钱也行。不是说加州的农业只有非法移民才愿意干吗?这些福利
懒人为什么不能去农场干活挣钱?
监狱里面也应该如此。入狱前给社会带来的损失就算追不回来,至少把纳税人给的免费
吃穿住行、变性、医保至少给拿回来。
x********e
发帖数: 2275
15
看到美国政府哭诉要放一些轻罪的罪犯出来,因为实在是养不起这帮大爷了。
简直就是尼玛脑残,居然搞到这样的境况。
尼玛监狱里的罪犯都当大爷一样养,当然养不起了。问题是谁让你把他们当大爷养了。
罪犯全部给我死命干活,不但不存在负担问题,甚至还能创收不少。
可惜美国全民在愚民教育下,已经没有最基本的思考能力了。

【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 不劳动者,不得食。很公平。
: 不行去跑步,劳动,换钱也行。不是说加州的农业只有非法移民才愿意干吗?这些福利
: 懒人为什么不能去农场干活挣钱?
: 监狱里面也应该如此。入狱前给社会带来的损失就算追不回来,至少把纳税人给的免费
: 吃穿住行、变性、医保至少给拿回来。

l*******g
发帖数: 27064
16
没错
很多州福利收入都超过一些基本工作的工资,结果就是没人愿意工作
民猪党这不又在大搞提高最低工资么,最后目的就是剥夺中产,让更多人陷入吃福利陷
阱,这样他们能有更多票仓

【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 和文化没关系,人都是自私的
: 民主党是谁投我的票,我就给这些人更多福利,这些底层的,甚至非法移民都拼命支持
: 民主党。民主党执政为了讨好这些人,又拼命加大福利筹码,搞得福利党干不干活都一
: 样。
: 然后民主党还会说低端活没人干,所以我们还需要非法移民。最后恶性循环,就会和希
: 腊差不多了

l*******g
发帖数: 27064
17
什么,让犯人干活?民猪党不掐死你才怪
他们还嫌给犯人条件不够好呢

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 看到美国政府哭诉要放一些轻罪的罪犯出来,因为实在是养不起这帮大爷了。
: 简直就是尼玛脑残,居然搞到这样的境况。
: 尼玛监狱里的罪犯都当大爷一样养,当然养不起了。问题是谁让你把他们当大爷养了。
: 罪犯全部给我死命干活,不但不存在负担问题,甚至还能创收不少。
: 可惜美国全民在愚民教育下,已经没有最基本的思考能力了。

M*******t
发帖数: 189
18
监狱干活可以,不可以盈利,否则确实会有abuse。

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 看到美国政府哭诉要放一些轻罪的罪犯出来,因为实在是养不起这帮大爷了。
: 简直就是尼玛脑残,居然搞到这样的境况。
: 尼玛监狱里的罪犯都当大爷一样养,当然养不起了。问题是谁让你把他们当大爷养了。
: 罪犯全部给我死命干活,不但不存在负担问题,甚至还能创收不少。
: 可惜美国全民在愚民教育下,已经没有最基本的思考能力了。

T*********I
发帖数: 10729
19
盈利没问题。只有制度上解决不作为和abuse的作为就可以。
1770年,英国人霍克发现了澳大利亚大陆,于是英国人掀起了开发澳洲的热潮。人手不
够怎么办?把囚犯拉到澳大利亚去。这个主意好!但是英国政府没有这么多船,就征收
了民间的船,运得多、拉得多,给钱就多。于是船主为了多挣钱就拼命装囚犯,粮食不
带够,水不带够,药品不带够,航行时间两到三个月,一路颠簸,囚犯大批量的死亡。
死了怎么办?太简单了,直接扔到海里!最惨的时候,一船囚犯拉到澳大利亚,死亡率
高达33%,1/3死掉了。
这个事传到英国,人们声讨这种行为。怎么办?改!怎么改?他们个个是魔鬼
,你把他们全部杀掉,谁来干活呢?你给他们做思想工作?他们代表魔鬼的利益。
怎么办?惟一的办法是流程,通过制度改造流程。下船之前不给钱,下船给钱
,下船按活着的人头发票子。
流程一改,魔鬼变天使了。为什么?所有的船主算账,最好一个都不死,每死
一个都是我的净亏损。粮食带够,水带够,药品带够,还规定每个囚犯必须吃两个橘子
。为什么?补充维生素C,每天把囚犯赶到甲板上运动运动,呼吸呼吸新鲜空气。

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 监狱干活可以,不可以盈利,否则确实会有abuse。
w*********n
发帖数: 1975
20
制度会约束或激励人的行为方式,行为方式得累积多了就形成习惯,很多人习惯了,习
惯久了,就形成一种东西叫做文化

【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 跟文化传统无关,这是权利和义务分离后的必然结果。
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V**3
发帖数: 12756
21
凭什么纳税人要养罪犯?
这么说吧,假设这个罪犯没有被关在监狱里面,那么谁养他? 应该是他自己,对吧?
为啥他犯了罪了, 突然间就变成纳税人养他了? ??
监狱的犯人就该干活,干活养活自己, 干的多甚至可以多领食物小吃等等
纳税人的钱,只能用于维持监狱最基本的人道条件

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 监狱干活可以,不可以盈利,否则确实会有abuse。
x********e
发帖数: 2275
22
而且大部分罪犯,给社会造成了很多损失。
警察的工资什么的,也都应该这帮罪犯来承担。
所以罪犯就必须强制劳动,来养活自己以及补偿他们给社会带来的危害。
可惜面对现实的情况,我不知道是这个社会不正常了,还是我自己不正常了。



【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 凭什么纳税人要养罪犯?
: 这么说吧,假设这个罪犯没有被关在监狱里面,那么谁养他? 应该是他自己,对吧?
: 为啥他犯了罪了, 突然间就变成纳税人养他了? ??
: 监狱的犯人就该干活,干活养活自己, 干的多甚至可以多领食物小吃等等
: 纳税人的钱,只能用于维持监狱最基本的人道条件

r***i
发帖数: 9780
23
左逼肆虐的地方都不正常
不是你不正常

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 而且大部分罪犯,给社会造成了很多损失。
: 警察的工资什么的,也都应该这帮罪犯来承担。
: 所以罪犯就必须强制劳动,来养活自己以及补偿他们给社会带来的危害。
: 可惜面对现实的情况,我不知道是这个社会不正常了,还是我自己不正常了。
:
: ?

u***n
发帖数: 10554
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IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan
When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap
labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more
than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.
Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not
wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose
immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That
must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:
1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the
southern border.
2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our
Constitutional system of government must be enforced.
3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any
immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
Make Mexico Pay For The Wall
For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United
States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their
own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even
published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The
costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have
been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing
costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free
tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in
2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black
Americans have been particularly harmed.
The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines
have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally
only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an
illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with
breaking into a 64 year-old women’s home, crushing her skull and eye
sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in
Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.
In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a
shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population,
including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.
Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals
but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from
illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013
alone).
In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners
. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it
up.
The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to
what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout
of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment
offices.
Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will,
among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal
wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and
diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border
crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals
each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA
worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase
fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign
aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.
Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States
America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that
lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following
steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which
politicians have stolen from them:
Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’
Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000
officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s
immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at
approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50
states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law
against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United
States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s
immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has
remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the
recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and
eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.
Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed
Americans.
Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has
released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013
alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a
process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which
will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and
additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.
Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the
border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.
Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to
cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the
United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence.
This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at
the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this
will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays
until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system –
required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.
Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local
police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and
the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens
in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “
ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for
Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to
adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility
, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes
serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers,
and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers
on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these
aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in
activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be
required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal
convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working
with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such
assistance.”
End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal
immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including
Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to
the children of illegal immigrants.
Put American Workers First
Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed
our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed.
Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without
high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were
employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the
percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not
experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America
’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the
economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”
The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high,
and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including
immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage.
Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in
or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants.
Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest
workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic
record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission
of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back
to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and
communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the
national family become part of the American dream.
Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on
causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many
others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of
the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've
become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”
Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans
with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds
of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program.
More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable
wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the
prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted
entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and
immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from
overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers
in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program.
Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs
that would decimate women and minorities.
Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B,
have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans
outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need to companies to hire
from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed
to the unemployment office, not USCIS.
End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be
required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and
other needs before coming to the U.S.
Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign
youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city
youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.
Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission
of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved
on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without
parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in
high crime neighborhoods in the United States.
Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign
workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from
the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will
help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages,
and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical
averages.

【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: 不交税就不让投票,民主党主力票仓的上大学的年轻人,大部分黑人,劳模,监狱罪犯
: 都不能投票了。这是要民主党的命了。而且这些不可能实现的,vote权力是公民基本权
: 力,改其来太难了。
: Trump其实是在讨好城市附近低收入的或者失业的美国人,是说一些类似ICC海外空降的
: 低收入的简单工作应该让本地人做。这样至少还是鼓励工作。

M*******t
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感觉你说话总是气冲冲的,一定是谁惹着你了。监狱自己盈利就不会Abuse?或者你觉
得Abuse is fine。
我帖子分明说的是干活可以,但不应该搞成盈利式的经营。监狱如果做事动机有盈利的
成份,那就是真会把一些innocentde人莫名其妙的搞到监狱,如果这一点看不到,那你
和拥护斯大林式社会主义的人其实本质差不多了。



【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 凭什么纳税人要养罪犯?
: 这么说吧,假设这个罪犯没有被关在监狱里面,那么谁养他? 应该是他自己,对吧?
: 为啥他犯了罪了, 突然间就变成纳税人养他了? ??
: 监狱的犯人就该干活,干活养活自己, 干的多甚至可以多领食物小吃等等
: 纳税人的钱,只能用于维持监狱最基本的人道条件

V**3
发帖数: 12756
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你先定义一下什么叫盈利
如果说把支撑犯人的生活花销打入成本,那么不盈利也行

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 感觉你说话总是气冲冲的,一定是谁惹着你了。监狱自己盈利就不会Abuse?或者你觉
: 得Abuse is fine。
: 我帖子分明说的是干活可以,但不应该搞成盈利式的经营。监狱如果做事动机有盈利的
: 成份,那就是真会把一些innocentde人莫名其妙的搞到监狱,如果这一点看不到,那你
: 和拥护斯大林式社会主义的人其实本质差不多了。
:
: ?

T*********I
发帖数: 10729
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Abuse这个词也有不同的解读。有些人的解读过于软弱,不让用internet就算是abuse。
让干活,不干怎么办?用手段强迫干活来还债算不算abuse?比如干活就有肉吃,不干
活就只有oatmeal和水,没有免费医疗,行不行?
我觉得只要此人最后是活着的,没有因为监狱的强迫手段带来的伤,就不应该算abuse。
罪犯abuse起受害人可倒是直截了当。想想死去的,被强奸的人一辈子的记忆。承受一
点abuse我真觉得没什么。还说不定是个更好的教育。以后别犯罪。

【在 M*******t 的大作中提到】
: 感觉你说话总是气冲冲的,一定是谁惹着你了。监狱自己盈利就不会Abuse?或者你觉
: 得Abuse is fine。
: 我帖子分明说的是干活可以,但不应该搞成盈利式的经营。监狱如果做事动机有盈利的
: 成份,那就是真会把一些innocentde人莫名其妙的搞到监狱,如果这一点看不到,那你
: 和拥护斯大林式社会主义的人其实本质差不多了。
:
: ?

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