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发帖数: 61690 | 1 Limiting social services: “Protecting Taxpayer Resources by Ensuring Our
Immigration Laws Promote Accountability and Responsibility”
Libertarians sometimes suggest “building a wall around the welfare state”
instead of the country — restricting access to public benefits to US
citizens. This executive order proposes that President Trump, who’s already
building a wall around the country, build one around the welfare state as
well.
Legal immigrants currently get access to some public benefits in some
circumstances. But the federal government can bar someone from coming to the
US, or from becoming a permanent resident, if there’s any evidence he or
she will become a “public charge.”
Currently, the federal government looks at use of cash benefits (like
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) when it’s making “public charge”
decisions, but not in-kind benefits like Medicaid and the Children’s
Health Insurance Program. This executive action, though, would ask the
Department of Homeland Security to issue a rule saying that an immigrant can
’t be admitted to the US if he’s likely to get any benefit “determined in
any way on the basis of income, resources, or financial need.” Furthermore
, people who use any of those benefits and are in the US on visas would be
subject to deportation.
The order would require the person who sponsored an immigrant into the US to
reimburse the federal government for any benefits the immigrant used. It
would direct the government to publish regular reports on the benefits used
by immigrants in the US — and how that money could be “reinvested” in the
inner cities, something Trump proposed as a candidate.
One of the reports requested in the order would be a report on the cost of
the entire Refugee Assistance Program — the program by which the US helps
refugees get settled, obtain jobs, and learn English. Refugees are
responsible for much of immigrant welfare use in the US, because they’re
not selected for their high earning potential — they’re selected because
of their humanitarian need. But consistent with the forthcoming order
restricting refugee admissions entirely, this memo sees refugees as a drain
on the public coffers.
Unauthorized immigrants aren’t spared by the order: It would prevent
families from getting the child tax credit if the parents are unauthorized (
even if the children are US citizens), and it would prevent an unauthorized
immigrant from being eligible for Social Security during the time he was
unauthorized (even if he was paying into the system, as many do, using a
fake Social Security number). But for the most part, this order doesn’t
crack down on unauthorized immigrants to protect legal immigrants; it cracks
down on immigrants, and their US citizen children, for the sake of the
native-born. | s******8
发帖数: 4192 | 2 说实话，Trump忽悠人的本事挺大的。绝大多数人太容易被忽悠了。因为他竖了一个不
存在的靶子，开一枪后说靶子没了，就说打中了。
比如it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for
Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying
into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number).
如果用fake social security number,那么付的fica tax要么跑到别人账户上去了，要
么就没收了，不会在这个unauthorized immigrant名下,这个人本来就拿不到social
security.只有极少数有合法SSN，后来黑了的人才可能受益(比如J1).
child tax credit同理，parents没有valid SSN根本拿不到。
非移本来就不能拿福利，也就是上学读书不用交费而已。
Furthermore, people who use any of those benefits and are in the US on visas
would be subject to deportation.
这个才是存在并可以执行的，就是拿合法签证进来的（比如B1/B2, F1)，不能申请
medicaid和其他福利，特别一些F1生孩子，用了medicaid，就deportation. | l*i
发帖数: 5732 | 3 "非移本来就不能拿福利“ 看到这这篇大作就不用看了
【在 s******8 的大作中提到】
: 说实话，Trump忽悠人的本事挺大的。绝大多数人太容易被忽悠了。因为他竖了一个不
: 存在的靶子，开一枪后说靶子没了，就说打中了。
: 比如it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for
: Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying
: into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number).
: 如果用fake social security number,那么付的fica tax要么跑到别人账户上去了，要
: 么就没收了，不会在这个unauthorized immigrant名下,这个人本来就拿不到social
: security.只有极少数有合法SSN，后来黑了的人才可能受益(比如J1).
: child tax credit同理，parents没有valid SSN根本拿不到。
: 非移本来就不能拿福利，也就是上学读书不用交费而已。
| k**i
发帖数: 10191 | 4 你估计是没有听说过TAX ID。这玩意设计出来，就是报税的时候临时替代SSN的。每年
报税季节，国税局就在CHINA TOWN宣传TAX ID，让非法移民用这个报税，然后保证报税
的信息不会被国土安全局拿到用于遣返。
【在 s******8 的大作中提到】
: 说实话，Trump忽悠人的本事挺大的。绝大多数人太容易被忽悠了。因为他竖了一个不
: 存在的靶子，开一枪后说靶子没了，就说打中了。
: 比如it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for
: Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying
: into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number).
: 如果用fake social security number,那么付的fica tax要么跑到别人账户上去了，要
: 么就没收了，不会在这个unauthorized immigrant名下,这个人本来就拿不到social
: security.只有极少数有合法SSN，后来黑了的人才可能受益(比如J1).
: child tax credit同理，parents没有valid SSN根本拿不到。
: 非移本来就不能拿福利，也就是上学读书不用交费而已。
| f********k
发帖数: 745 | 5 难道不应该吗？合法移民辛辛苦苦交税，可是拿的福利远远小于不交税的非法移民。凭
什么？
【在 s******8 的大作中提到】
: 说实话，Trump忽悠人的本事挺大的。绝大多数人太容易被忽悠了。因为他竖了一个不
: 存在的靶子，开一枪后说靶子没了，就说打中了。
: 比如it would prevent an unauthorized immigrant from being eligible for
: Social Security during the time he was unauthorized (even if he was paying
: into the system, as many do, using a fake Social Security number).
: 如果用fake social security number,那么付的fica tax要么跑到别人账户上去了，要
: 么就没收了，不会在这个unauthorized immigrant名下,这个人本来就拿不到social
: security.只有极少数有合法SSN，后来黑了的人才可能受益(比如J1).
: child tax credit同理，parents没有valid SSN根本拿不到。
: 非移本来就不能拿福利，也就是上学读书不用交费而已。
| a******e
发帖数: 5411 | 6 警察只要去任何一个纽约医院急诊室，90% 非法外国人。 |
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