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USATODAY对于FORD的报道评论已经滑天下之大稽了林赛要掀桌子了,猪队友带不动啊! 哈哈哈!!!
Ford 8月是开车去的马里兰做的测谎吗?参议员要给Kavanaugh和Ford打电话了
CNN被黑了吗?竟然承认K无辜和猪党操纵F叫兽在couple therapy时说有四个男生
这个女人今天要打可怜牌卡瓦诺的妈妈1996年Ruled Aganist Christine Ford的父母
夏威夷这个女战斗鸡这是默认了是冥猪党议员leak的啊和党说Ford可以闭门和他们谈
卡哇孬在哭,他老婆却在笑,咋回事啊?和党的条件
I like beer, I still like beer!一共五个人在场,四个人否认。
NO! NO! NO!I am gonna talk my high school。。。。。Kavanaugh 82年calendars显示夏天大部分时间都不在
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b*****d
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An ex-boyfriend turned up to question her narratives in a sworn affidavit
alleging that she was demonstrably neither aerophobic nor claustrophobic—
and perhaps far from being a novice in matters of taking lie-detector tests.
Instead, he suggested that she had used her psychotherapy skills to coach
her doppelganger friend how to massage such a test—a Zelig-like best friend
who unfortunately also turned up at the hearings, and may well have hosted
Ford before the Senate circus, and also allegedly may have tried to pressure
one of Ford’s friends to massage her earlier condemnatory denials.
In the end, the Christine Blasey Ford accusations collapsed. With them went
the last effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the United
States Supreme Court.
After thousands of hours of internal Senate and FBI investigations of
Kavanaugh, as well as public discussions, open questioning, and media
sensationalism, Ford remained unable to identify a single witness who might
substantiate any of her narratives of an alleged sexual assault of nearly
four decades past.
To substantiate her claim, the country was asked to jettison the idea of
innocent until proven guilty, the need for corroborating testimony,
witnesses, and physical evidence, the inadmissibility of hearsay, the need
for reasonable statutes of limitations, considerations of motive, and the
right of the accused to conduct vigorous cross-examination. That leap proved
too much, especially when located in a larger progressive landscape of
street theater antics, including Senate disruptions, walkouts, and
sandbagging senators in hallways and elevators.
At the end of all things, Ford remained scarcely knowledgeable about the
location and time of the assault than she was months earlier in her original
anonymous complaint. Nor could she yet describe how she arrived at or left
the party that may or may not have taken place in 1982. That Ford retained a
crystal-clear account of having consumed just one beer and that Kavanaugh
played the Hollywood role of a cruel, smirking, drunken, and privileged
preppy groper were sensational accusations but not supportable.
After two weeks of the televised melodrama, the country rejected the
therapeutic mindset and preferred what was logic and rational—without
dismissing the chance that Ford somewhere at some time had experienced some
sort of severe trauma.
In Ford’s case, that meant that being empathetic or even sincere did not
translate into being credible. Logos (word) and ergon (deed) have never been
synonymous. The country was finally asked to believe that because Ford told
others of the assault 30 years later, that admission was de facto proof
that the event really happened—and happened just as Ford described. But
since when was sharing a story proof that the story therein was believable?
The Democrats’ strategy to derail Kavanagh encouraged the appearance of
serial accusers—on the theory that the quantity of accusations could do
what the quality of any individual testimony could not. Activists had little
idea that the opposite usually occurs when such serial testimonials lack
substantiation: like falling dominos one knocks down the next all the way
back to the beginning. And so the wreckage of serial fibs and fables from
all sorts also helped to undermine Ford’s credibility.
When the Deborah Ramirez yarn and the Julie Swetnick fantasy collapsed,
along with those of accusers four, five, six, etc. (that inter alia had
included charges of rape while out to sea off Rhode Island, a tag-team
sexual assault with Mark Judge in the backseat of a car, and throwing ice),
Ford’s narrative appeared even less credible. Instead it became just one of
many fictions; the first accuser became different from the rest only in the
sense of being the first rather than the only one credible.
But Ford’s problem was not just that her memory was inexact and often
nonexistent about the details necessary to substantiate her quite serious
charges aimed at destroying not just a nomination but the totality of an
individual and his family, 36 years after an alleged teenaged encounter.
Instead, the rub was that Christine Blasey Ford inadvertently became the
best witness—against Christine Blasey Ford.
She had claimed that she was afraid of flying, but by her own admissions she
was a frequent flyer.
She claimed the event took place in the early 1980s but also the mid-’80s—
but also summer of 1982. Thus, her reported age at the time of the incident
was equally fluid as a middle teen or late teen.
She swore that she had no idea that Senate investigators were willing to fly
to California to interview her to accommodate her aerophobia—an offer
splashed over the media for days.
Her halting answers to questions about her legal assistance funding, her
past experiences with lie detector tests, the existence of any tapes or
videos of her lie detector interview, and the content, accessibility, and
nature of her therapist notes were either self-contradictory, illogical, or
incomplete.
An ex-boyfriend turned up to question her narratives in a sworn affidavit
alleging that she was demonstrably neither aerophobic nor claustrophobic—
and perhaps far from being a novice in matters of taking lie-detector tests.
Instead, he suggested that she had used her psychotherapy skills to coach
her doppelganger friend how to massage such a test—a Zelig-like best friend
who unfortunately also turned up at the hearings, and may well have hosted
Ford before the Senate circus, and also allegedly may have tried to pressure
one of Ford’s friends to massage her earlier condemnatory denials.
Reporters had noted Ford’s two-front-door remedy for anxiety was not
necessarily a result of post-Kavanaugh stress syndrome as much a far earlier
mercantile gambit to cash in on the Silicon Valley rent boom, where an
extra room with a separate roadside entry meant a lucrative attached rental.
That the same ex-boyfriend claimed that an unfaithful Ford had also ripped
him off for $600 in credit card bills (presumably a demonstrable accusation
given banking records) did not help her case that she was a babe in the
financial woods without a clue about her growing and lucrative GoFundMe
account, or who in fact had paid her legal and prep bills and how—facts at
odds with Ford’s adolescent demeanor of supposedly lost innocence.
So Many Stories
Senate prosecutor Rachel Mitchell might have proven in court more a
depositioner than an inquisitor in her seemingly circular questioning, but
in retrospect she proved a brilliant interrogator nonetheless in getting
Ford to testify to a host of things that simply could not all be true—and
would come back to haunt Ford in Mitchell’s damning summary of Ford’s
likely untruths.
And why exactly were there so many contradictions as outlined in Mitchell’s
written summation?
Christine Ford in July may have had no idea that her original anonymous
accusation would ever become sensationalized publicly, much less put her
into a position of trying to reconcile a number of irreconcilable narratives.
Instead, Ford had initially thought a single anonymous but poisonous letter
would do the trick far better than had previous weeks of grandstanding
Democratic baiting, demonstrations, and walkouts. A last-minute drive-by and
anonymous charge of sexual assault would panic Republicans with the mere
whiff of #MeTooism, shock and cower a goody-two-shoes, family-man Kavanaugh,
and thus force a beleaguered, pre-midterm-anxious President Trump to
withdraw the nomination—all without the disclosure of Ford’s name and thus
without any further need to substantiate her narratives.
As a side note, in this context, I am confused by the bipartisan outrage
solely directed at Senator Dianne Feinstein’s or her staff’s lowdown
leaking of Ford’s name. Of course, it was unethical and so typical of the
twilight years of the senior senator from California. But, then again, so is
authoring an anonymous hit piece without any corroborating evidence but
with misleading written assertions (such as how Ford sought “medical
treatment” for the assault—without disclosing she meant marriage
counseling 36 years after the fact.) It seems far less noble to charge
Kavanaugh with sexual assault anonymously than to have come forward at the
outset and demonstrate the charge transparently. The cloak of anonymity does
even more damage to the idea of jurisprudence than does the unethical
removal of it by a would-be enabler.
Yet the radical change of events that followed the disclosure of Ford’s
name did lead to discovery of lots of Ford narratives with still more to
come.
There was the narrative in Ford’s original letter to U.S. Rep. Anna Eshoo (
D-Calif.), which wound up in Feinstein’s hands.
There was the therapist-notes narrative (released in part to the press but
strangely not to the committee).
There was the Washington Post interview narrative.
And there was the Senate committee testimony narrative.
By the time of the last narrative, Ford had given one too many.
Sincere, Empathetic . . . But Not Credible
Taken as a whole, Ford’s problem was not just that she couldn’t remember
key details, but that she remembered all sorts of different things depending
on when and to whom she related the latest narrative. More incriminatingly,
her narratives seemed to change key facts about the number and sex of
apparent partygoers and the vague date and general area of the assault in
ways that might enhance her latest iteration of the story.
What destroys credibility is not just a lack of memory, but more so the
presence of too many memories that are selective, self-serving, and mutually
contradictory.
Thus far the consensus has been that Ford was sincere and empathetic, but
not credible. But more and more, it appears that she was all at once not
credible, quite insincere, and perhaps completely unfeeling, at least in
saying so many things that were not only unprovable, but demonstrably false
and sometimes quite hurtful to her friends—and all apparently for the
progressive end of stopping a qualified right-leaning jurist by destroying
his character and reputation.
Ford had insisted on privacy concerning her own health problems, but
gratuitously questioned the veracity (and by extension selfishness) of her
friend Leland Keyser’s testimony by suggesting to the world that Keyser was
suffering certain with “health challenges” (specifically, “Leland has
significant health challenges, and I am happy that she is focusing on
herself”), that might explain their differing memories. In other words, we
were presented with something like “my friend perjures herself when she
contradicts me but does so because she has medical problems and focuses on
her treatment for them rather than on the ‘truth’ about me.”
Finally, the new progressive Democratic Party was especially dense in all
this. Senate Democrats kept clamoring for more testimonials to buttress Ford
’s charges, but at each juncture of a new witness offering relevant
knowledge, the very opposite effect followed of further eroding her veracity
. And in a brave new world without evidence, in which “sincerity” and “
empathy” mutate into “believability,” and “her truth” is synonymous
with “the truth,” why would the counter-testimonies of a boyfriend or best
friend be any less believable than Ford’s, much less required evidence of
their own? Why call for a supplemental, one-week FBI investigation (months
after Feinstein had prevented just that) when all knew that after a week a
once-praised FBI would summarily be damned for not finding Kavanaugh guilty
of something?
In the end, Ford was perhaps fortunate that the entire circus ceased when it
did. Had investigators probed any more deeply the recent accusations of her
once long-term boyfriend, the strange but multifaceted role of her lifelong
but apparently conniving friend Monica McClean in the Kavanaugh allegations
, the passages of the therapist tapes, the exact circumstances surrounding
the lie-detector test, the long odyssey of Ford’s original accusation
through Feinstein’s staff to Democratic committee members and the media,
and the sources of Ford’s judicial support, there might well have been more
incompatibility with the ever growing number of Ford’s narratives.
In the end, we were left only with the Stalinist mantra “to accuse is to be
believed”—but, of course, not even the current accusers in the future
would be exempt from the very nightmare they now would create for others.
B****A
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这段很好地解释了为什么FORD的谎都没抡圆就出笼了。
=====================
Instead, Ford had initially thought a single anonymous but poisonous letter
would do the trick far better than had previous weeks of grandstanding
Democratic baiting, demonstrations, and walkouts. A last-minute drive-by and
anonymous charge of sexual assault would panic Republicans with the mere
whiff of #MeTooism, shock and cower a goody-two-shoes, family-man Kavanaugh,
and thus force a beleaguered, pre-midterm-anxious President Trump to
withdraw the nomination—all without the disclosure of Ford’s name and thus
without any further need to substantiate her narratives.
b*****d
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结果没想到Trump不是普通人,居然硬挺下来了。结果她就开始不断的改故事了

letter
and
Kavanaugh,
thus

【在 B****A 的大作中提到】
: 这段很好地解释了为什么FORD的谎都没抡圆就出笼了。
: =====================
: Instead, Ford had initially thought a single anonymous but poisonous letter
: would do the trick far better than had previous weeks of grandstanding
: Democratic baiting, demonstrations, and walkouts. A last-minute drive-by and
: anonymous charge of sexual assault would panic Republicans with the mere
: whiff of #MeTooism, shock and cower a goody-two-shoes, family-man Kavanaugh,
: and thus force a beleaguered, pre-midterm-anxious President Trump to
: withdraw the nomination—all without the disclosure of Ford’s name and thus
: without any further need to substantiate her narratives.

h****g
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这里的文章,以及方舟子的文章,最让我犯恶心的是要被告来证明自己无辜。
即使没有这些漏洞,即使按照方舟子的文章,Ford的故事能自圆其说,难道可以在缺乏
完整证据链的情况下就定人的罪?
是谁给了这些人做有罪推定的权力?
是谁给了这些人有超越法律的power?

tests.
friend
hosted
pressure
went

【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: An ex-boyfriend turned up to question her narratives in a sworn affidavit
: alleging that she was demonstrably neither aerophobic nor claustrophobic—
: and perhaps far from being a novice in matters of taking lie-detector tests.
: Instead, he suggested that she had used her psychotherapy skills to coach
: her doppelganger friend how to massage such a test—a Zelig-like best friend
: who unfortunately also turned up at the hearings, and may well have hosted
: Ford before the Senate circus, and also allegedly may have tried to pressure
: one of Ford’s friends to massage her earlier condemnatory denials.
: In the end, the Christine Blasey Ford accusations collapsed. With them went
: the last effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the United

a******5
发帖数: 2062
5
"是谁给了这些人做有罪推定的权力?
是谁给了这些人有超越法律的power?"
不需要鸡动,希拉里奥巴马犯事儿的时候,反他们的人不也是有罪推定?这叫做舆论审
判,自古皆然,不用把自己想成美得似朵花,或者是唯一的受害者。
h****g
发帖数: 2216
6
奥巴马什么事?
希拉里的邮件门?她自己都没有否认。

【在 a******5 的大作中提到】
: "是谁给了这些人做有罪推定的权力?
: 是谁给了这些人有超越法律的power?"
: 不需要鸡动,希拉里奥巴马犯事儿的时候,反他们的人不也是有罪推定?这叫做舆论审
: 判,自古皆然,不用把自己想成美得似朵花,或者是唯一的受害者。

f*******e
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以后作弊会学精了,几个一伙来编谎言,这样证人也都有了。

letter
and
Kavanaugh,
thus

【在 B****A 的大作中提到】
: 这段很好地解释了为什么FORD的谎都没抡圆就出笼了。
: =====================
: Instead, Ford had initially thought a single anonymous but poisonous letter
: would do the trick far better than had previous weeks of grandstanding
: Democratic baiting, demonstrations, and walkouts. A last-minute drive-by and
: anonymous charge of sexual assault would panic Republicans with the mere
: whiff of #MeTooism, shock and cower a goody-two-shoes, family-man Kavanaugh,
: and thus force a beleaguered, pre-midterm-anxious President Trump to
: withdraw the nomination—all without the disclosure of Ford’s name and thus
: without any further need to substantiate her narratives.

i******0
发帖数: 609
8
“希拉里奥巴马犯事儿的时候”,你这贴恐怕是领不到赏金了。

【在 a******5 的大作中提到】
: "是谁给了这些人做有罪推定的权力?
: 是谁给了这些人有超越法律的power?"
: 不需要鸡动,希拉里奥巴马犯事儿的时候,反他们的人不也是有罪推定?这叫做舆论审
: 判,自古皆然,不用把自己想成美得似朵花,或者是唯一的受害者。

f******s
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9
DEM是以利益粘在一起的. 但猪队友也是肉. 所以永远是猪队友同志, 您先上. 我等着
吃您的猪肉.
作弊无法形成一个有效的团队.
叫兽就是被猪队友出卖, 被迫登上前台.
GOP是以信念聚拢的. 每个人信念都有差异, 都不认同队友. 很难团结. 一旦被迫团结
起来, 会打组合拳. 看雪花和金龟演戏, 唱黑白脸.

【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: 以后作弊会学精了,几个一伙来编谎言,这样证人也都有了。
:
: letter
: and
: Kavanaugh,
: thus

d******y
发帖数: 2787
10
最大的漏洞其实是Twitter历史和Google caches都没了,想想是什么人在后面操作吧
细思极恐

tests.
friend
★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.4

【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: An ex-boyfriend turned up to question her narratives in a sworn affidavit
: alleging that she was demonstrably neither aerophobic nor claustrophobic—
: and perhaps far from being a novice in matters of taking lie-detector tests.
: Instead, he suggested that she had used her psychotherapy skills to coach
: her doppelganger friend how to massage such a test—a Zelig-like best friend
: who unfortunately also turned up at the hearings, and may well have hosted
: Ford before the Senate circus, and also allegedly may have tried to pressure
: one of Ford’s friends to massage her earlier condemnatory denials.
: In the end, the Christine Blasey Ford accusations collapsed. With them went
: the last effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination to the United

G*******h
发帖数: 4091
11
是的,这两个说明美国的问题太大了。

【在 d******y 的大作中提到】
: 最大的漏洞其实是Twitter历史和Google caches都没了,想想是什么人在后面操作吧
: 细思极恐
:
: tests.
: friend
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChinaWeb 1.1.4

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