n***y
发帖数: 82 | 1 打算买Kawai K3，好像很多中国家长都买的是这一种。这个区域共有三家authorized
store，分别在Rockville, Baltimore and Virginia.前几年好像团购4000就可以买到
，现在好像贵了不少。我问了VA的店,5人以上可以少于5000拿到。不过对于MD的居民，
在VA store 买不用交税。
不知道有没有人感兴趣，可以回贴或发站内信箱或w*****[email protected]。当然，你如果
能把价钱谈得更低些就更好了。我不太会杀价。只是这些店一般不在电话上谈价钱，要
到店里面谈才行。 |
s*****p
发帖数: 5342 | 2 一般要弹成啥样才值得买这样的钢琴?
对初学的,$2000左右的可以吗?
【在 n***y 的大作中提到】
: 打算买Kawai K3，好像很多中国家长都买的是这一种。这个区域共有三家authorized
: store，分别在Rockville, Baltimore and Virginia.前几年好像团购4000就可以买到
: ，现在好像贵了不少。我问了VA的店,5人以上可以少于5000拿到。不过对于MD的居民，
: 在VA store 买不用交税。
: 不知道有没有人感兴趣，可以回贴或发站内信箱或w*****[email protected]。当然，你如果
: 能把价钱谈得更低些就更好了。我不太会杀价。只是这些店一般不在电话上谈价钱，要
: 到店里面谈才行。
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x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 3 2000买不到新琴吧？
【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 一般要弹成啥样才值得买这样的钢琴?
: 对初学的,$2000左右的可以吗?
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s*****p
发帖数: 5342 | 4 琴一定要新的吗? 很多名琴不都是18xx的吗. 实在不太懂介个.请扫盲. 多谢.
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 2000买不到新琴吧？
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x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 5 买旧琴当然可以了，但大多数老中怕麻烦呀。你看工作后的老中有几个买旧车吗？
【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 琴一定要新的吗? 很多名琴不都是18xx的吗. 实在不太懂介个.请扫盲. 多谢.
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s*****p
发帖数: 5342 | 6 说得是. 但对刚学琴的,是不是浪费呀? 如果以后没兴趣了,咋办?
【在 x**n 的大作中提到】
: 买旧琴当然可以了，但大多数老中怕麻烦呀。你看工作后的老中有几个买旧车吗？
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p*****h
发帖数: 1105 | 7 入门级别yamaha也不需要这么贵吧。我想团购，但是不喜欢kawai |
x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 8 大多数小孩都会学3年+，再说难道你只有一个娃？
【在 s*****p 的大作中提到】
: 说得是. 但对刚学琴的,是不是浪费呀? 如果以后没兴趣了,咋办?
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x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 9 4.5千就是入门级....
【在 p*****h 的大作中提到】
: 入门级别yamaha也不需要这么贵吧。我想团购，但是不喜欢kawai
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j*****4
发帖数: 707 | 10 给刚学琴的孩子2000左右的足够可以了。等发现娃有潜力和兴趣，再换Steinway不迟。
其实4000-10000的琴就是不上不下的玩意儿，离好的还差一大截。 |
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i*****s
发帖数: 438 | |
j***a
发帖数: 10844 | 12 其实这个挺好的。
好处：
1. 价格还行
2. 容易搬，占地也小
3. 不需要调
4. 可用耳机，不吵人。
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
: 电子钢琴怎么样？
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r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 13 I got a second handed yamaha about 8 years ago, for $3000, it was in new
condition and it is still in great condition now, the sound is crisp and beautiful. Only
wish that I could get a grand piano when I was still playing a lot. |
r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 14 It's missing the point of piano.... It's not a natural instrument, and the
sound is not as natural, clean and crisp. It's for a pure learning purposes,
but got no class.
The key is softer, if your kid learns on electric piano, he will have some
time before adjusting to a real piano, if you ever decide to get a real one
for your kid...
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
: 电子钢琴怎么样？
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i*****s
发帖数: 438 | 15
purposes,
one
十年前有人也是这么比较传统胶片照相机和数字相机的。
五年前衡量数字相机的标准是画质是否能接近胶片。
两年前顶级数字相机技术和画质已经全面领先胶片。
现在入门级的单反画质领先胶片。
眼下，纽约时报的记者或者国家地理杂志的大师还有多少
在用胶片拍照片？不多了。
音乐方面，十年前听唱片一定得找到胶片唱盘才“够味”，
听CD的不好意思跟人打招呼。很快CD的音质问题通过编码
和处理芯片解决了。
电子钢琴的音质提高可以通过更换芯片或者升级固件，只要
厂商支持，十年后研究出新的算法，下载一个就可以了。
传统钢琴的音质怎么办？上小挫子？
社区学院的摄影系还在教“暗房技术”，但是冲洗液不好买了。
【在 r*****l 的大作中提到】
: It's missing the point of piano.... It's not a natural instrument, and the
: sound is not as natural, clean and crisp. It's for a pure learning purposes,
: but got no class.
: The key is softer, if your kid learns on electric piano, he will have some
: time before adjusting to a real piano, if you ever decide to get a real one
: for your kid...
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j***a
发帖数: 10844 | 16 What I mean is the "digital piano", which is very different than the
electric keyboard.
purposes,
one
【在 r*****l 的大作中提到】
: It's missing the point of piano.... It's not a natural instrument, and the
: sound is not as natural, clean and crisp. It's for a pure learning purposes,
: but got no class.
: The key is softer, if your kid learns on electric piano, he will have some
: time before adjusting to a real piano, if you ever decide to get a real one
: for your kid...
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r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 17 Yes I know it's the digital piano, I've practiced pieces with them before...
It feels different from a real piano, the electric one simply just misses
that elegance and class. |
r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 18 wow. I'm not against anyone buying that digital piano... Go buy them, as you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and that's okay...
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: purposes,
: one
: 十年前有人也是这么比较传统胶片照相机和数字相机的。
: 五年前衡量数字相机的标准是画质是否能接近胶片。
: 两年前顶级数字相机技术和画质已经全面领先胶片。
: 现在入门级的单反画质领先胶片。
: 眼下，纽约时报的记者或者国家地理杂志的大师还有多少
: 在用胶片拍照片？不多了。
: 音乐方面，十年前听唱片一定得找到胶片唱盘才“够味”，
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j***a
发帖数: 10844 | 19 I am not comparing the digital with acoustic. I am talking about an
instrument for beginners. I see too many people spending $4000 or more
buying a piano and ending up with a nice piece of furniture.
you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you
insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and
that's okay...
【在 r*****l 的大作中提到】
: wow. I'm not against anyone buying that digital piano... Go buy them, as you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and that's okay...
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x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 20 其实可以转卖呀。比如你2000买的，用个5年，再1500-1200卖掉也不难呀。
you
【在 j***a 的大作中提到】
: I am not comparing the digital with acoustic. I am talking about an
: instrument for beginners. I see too many people spending $4000 or more
: buying a piano and ending up with a nice piece of furniture.
:
: you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you
: insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and
: that's okay...
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i*****s
发帖数: 438 | 21
..
Actually I am very interested to find out what does digital
piano miss from regular piano. I anticipate digital piano
will replace regular piano in the future, but not sure how
long will it take. So as I am in the market looking for a
piano for my kid, I want to hear from you, who have the
experience, what are missing, so that I can have a good
estimate how long it catch up. If the only thing missing
is 'elegance and class', then as a programmer, I can't see
that is much.
【在 r*****l 的大作中提到】
: Yes I know it's the digital piano, I've practiced pieces with them before...
: It feels different from a real piano, the electric one simply just misses
: that elegance and class.
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j***a
发帖数: 10844 | 22 Well, in this case, I have to agree with the other lady. I don't think
digital piano can replace the regular one ever. It does not work like a
camera. All I want to say is that digital piano would be a good alternative
up to certain level where 99% of kids won't reach.
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: ..
: Actually I am very interested to find out what does digital
: piano miss from regular piano. I anticipate digital piano
: will replace regular piano in the future, but not sure how
: long will it take. So as I am in the market looking for a
: piano for my kid, I want to hear from you, who have the
: experience, what are missing, so that I can have a good
: estimate how long it catch up. If the only thing missing
: is 'elegance and class', then as a programmer, I can't see
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r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 23 Let's put it simple - programmers and artists see things differently. We all
have to respect that difference. It's true that the technology potentially
could deliver an identical voice as an acoustics, however, while some people
mostly concerns with the end result, others care about the way and manner
that the work is done.
A pianist likely would tell you that she enjoys the feeling of playing on a natural,
unplugged instrument. Maybe the words I used such as "class" and "elegance"
don't really
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: ..
: Actually I am very interested to find out what does digital
: piano miss from regular piano. I anticipate digital piano
: will replace regular piano in the future, but not sure how
: long will it take. So as I am in the market looking for a
: piano for my kid, I want to hear from you, who have the
: experience, what are missing, so that I can have a good
: estimate how long it catch up. If the only thing missing
: is 'elegance and class', then as a programmer, I can't see
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r*****l
发帖数: 502 | 24 The second-handed piano, before I bought it years ago, was exactly how you described it... - "buying a piano and ending up with a nice piece of furniture", could be possible, for a 6-year-old who only takes piano class because his mom tells him to..
Digital piano is good only for a pure practice purposes, because it's got no performance aspect to it. so if a piano is purchased solely for a dry, learning purposes, but nothing more, then, a digital one might not be bad.
you
【在 j***a 的大作中提到】
: I am not comparing the digital with acoustic. I am talking about an
: instrument for beginners. I see too many people spending $4000 or more
: buying a piano and ending up with a nice piece of furniture.
:
: you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you
: insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and
: that's okay...
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A*****s
发帖数: 13748 | 25 no way to replace...
to let computer work, you do taylor expansion...
once you drop terms, you lose quality...
lol
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: ..
: Actually I am very interested to find out what does digital
: piano miss from regular piano. I anticipate digital piano
: will replace regular piano in the future, but not sure how
: long will it take. So as I am in the market looking for a
: piano for my kid, I want to hear from you, who have the
: experience, what are missing, so that I can have a good
: estimate how long it catch up. If the only thing missing
: is 'elegance and class', then as a programmer, I can't see
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i*****s
发帖数: 438 | 26
LOL, this is definitely not true.
Once people despite digital music, and many claimed anything
less than 256 bits obviously lack quality.
The truth is, after years finally accepted by everyone including
musicians, people can't distinguish anything above 192 bits.
In one experiment, musicians were invited couldn't not tell any
differences once it reaches 128 bits.
Today, most serious music is recorded with above 256 bits.
It is actually way better than any analogue media can do.
In photography,
【在 A*****s 的大作中提到】
: no way to replace...
: to let computer work, you do taylor expansion...
: once you drop terms, you lose quality...
: lol
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l**a
发帖数: 1175 | 27 可是总说电子琴会弹坏手。
【在 j***a 的大作中提到】
: 其实这个挺好的。
: 好处：
: 1. 价格还行
: 2. 容易搬，占地也小
: 3. 不需要调
: 4. 可用耳机，不吵人。
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l**a
发帖数: 1175 | 28 很有意思的分析。。
谢谢。
【在 i*****s 的大作中提到】
:
: LOL, this is definitely not true.
: Once people despite digital music, and many claimed anything
: less than 256 bits obviously lack quality.
: The truth is, after years finally accepted by everyone including
: musicians, people can't distinguish anything above 192 bits.
: In one experiment, musicians were invited couldn't not tell any
: differences once it reaches 128 bits.
: Today, most serious music is recorded with above 256 bits.
: It is actually way better than any analogue media can do.
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l**a
发帖数: 1175 | 29 这是个很大的CONCERN。 而且很多父母觉得这个投资很大， 所以对孩子“推”得比较
厉害。我看到有为学琴吵架的孩子和父母。
you
【在 j***a 的大作中提到】
: I am not comparing the digital with acoustic. I am talking about an
: instrument for beginners. I see too many people spending $4000 or more
: buying a piano and ending up with a nice piece of furniture.
:
: you find it a same matter as to using digital camera vs. film camera. If you
: insist that plugged instrument is as classy as acoustic instrument, and
: that's okay...
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x**n
发帖数: 12542 | 30 基本上小孩学任何东西父母都可能吵架，不学也可以炒，呵呵。。。
【在 l**a 的大作中提到】
: 这是个很大的CONCERN。 而且很多父母觉得这个投资很大， 所以对孩子“推”得比较
: 厉害。我看到有为学琴吵架的孩子和父母。
:
: you
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p*****h
发帖数: 1105 | 31 我们买钢琴主要是我自己弹， 孩子愿意学就跟我学，不愿意学就听我弹，两者都是免
费的，呵呵。
budget问题，如果买不起新的钢琴，我会买二手的钢琴，也不会买电子钢琴。 |
