W*******t
发帖数: 317 | 1 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。 |
l********y
发帖数: 543 | 2 Utah不就这样？ 大学里面互砍了没？
人心出了问题，社会出了问题，你们不找政府解决，反而跟着政客把责任推卸到枪上？ |
p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 3 Why scared. Life as usual, we go to schools, restaurants, bars, libraries,
offices, hospitals, parks, and even weddings with our machine guns, 100+
ammuns. Just like a western movies. I prefer a big straw hat.
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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I*********t
发帖数: 5258 | 4 早在那一步之前大众就受不了了。
社会治安总体趋于恶化，枪支泛滥只是表象，人们不再信任公共治安，转而靠自己的力
量来确保安全，社会在退步。 |
l********y
发帖数: 543 | 5 是的。我们作为社会的一部分应该是追问政府的责任，了解这些引起社会退步的原因，
解决这些社会问题。 而不是跟着政客起舞。
【在 I*********t 的大作中提到】
: 早在那一步之前大众就受不了了。
: 社会治安总体趋于恶化，枪支泛滥只是表象，人们不再信任公共治安，转而靠自己的力
: 量来确保安全，社会在退步。
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W*******t
发帖数: 317 | 6 毫无疑问枪使犯罪变得非常容易所以极大的加速了社会出问题。
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: Utah不就这样？ 大学里面互砍了没？
: 人心出了问题，社会出了问题，你们不找政府解决，反而跟着政客把责任推卸到枪上？
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l********y
发帖数: 543 | 7 你这个毫无疑问非常有疑问。 你的统计在哪里？ 取的些什么params? 你的simulation
在哪里？ 你的scientific analysis在哪里？ 略过求证过程喊口号谁都会，不要脸的
政客喊的最多了。 change了么？
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 毫无疑问枪使犯罪变得非常容易所以极大的加速了社会出问题。
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 8 "Government is the problem". So if government is gone, we would be better
off. Really?
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: 是的。我们作为社会的一部分应该是追问政府的责任，了解这些引起社会退步的原因，
: 解决这些社会问题。 而不是跟着政客起舞。
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l********y
发帖数: 543 | 9 再问你，为啥犹他带枪限制少那么多，大学里怎么不是天天对射？
如果不经过论证就能出个真理结论，我还能说，这是因为犹他信摩门教的关系，所以带
枪都不杀人？ 肯定还有wsn得出的结论是，老婆多，枪杀就少。这类的结论呢。 |
l********y
发帖数: 543 | 10 这个逻辑太强大了。 government has a problem = government is the problem.
好奇你的专业是啥？
【在 p******o 的大作中提到】
: "Government is the problem". So if government is gone, we would be better
: off. Really?
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s****l
发帖数: 327 | 11 参照瑞士，人人被立法要求必须有自动步枪，社会治安好得出奇
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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g****1
发帖数: 1398 | 12 谁说utah人人带枪，这不是放屁么
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: Utah不就这样？ 大学里面互砍了没？
: 人心出了问题，社会出了问题，你们不找政府解决，反而跟着政客把责任推卸到枪上？
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a*w
发帖数: 4495 | 13 瑞士人均半支枪，美国人均.8支。
那一半没枪的瑞士人违法了？
【在 s****l 的大作中提到】
: 参照瑞士，人人被立法要求必须有自动步枪，社会治安好得出奇
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 14 如果谁有事没事带枪上街上学上班，这些人要第一批被禁枪。LOL〉 |
t****3
发帖数: 6964 | 15 犹他校园连酒都禁，你觉得会让大家带着枪上学？
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: Utah不就这样？ 大学里面互砍了没？
: 人心出了问题，社会出了问题，你们不找政府解决，反而跟着政客把责任推卸到枪上？
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S********5
发帖数: 753 | 16 Fact:
A Texus school district already allows guns in school since 2008
http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/18/rick-perry-teachers-should-have-
Any problems so far? None!
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 17 You choose to trust the people who carry guns live around you. Most of us
don't feel comfortable go to school,go to shopping, go to work with armed
man. I can't imagine if I can hold my job once I show a gun on my belt to
my co-workers.
【在 S********5 的大作中提到】
: Fact:
: A Texus school district already allows guns in school since 2008
: http://tv.msnbc.com/2012/12/18/rick-perry-teachers-should-have-
: Any problems so far? None!
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H*******g
发帖数: 6997 | 18 想啥呢。回想当年牛仔时代，你见过整天当街射杀的么？ |
S********5
发帖数: 753 | 19 Which state are you in?
There are 39 CCW (concealed carry permit) shall-issue state (meaning if you
apply for a permit, you will get it):
Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,
Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi,
Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North
Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington,
West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
If you live in one of these states, then you are ALREADY going to shopping
and other places with armed men. You just don't know it.
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: You choose to trust the people who carry guns live around you. Most of us
: don't feel comfortable go to school,go to shopping, go to work with armed
: man. I can't imagine if I can hold my job once I show a gun on my belt to
: my co-workers.
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E*******e
发帖数: 1309 | 20 同意。
在枪支上做文章都是治标不治本
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: Utah不就这样？ 大学里面互砍了没？
: 人心出了问题，社会出了问题，你们不找政府解决，反而跟着政客把责任推卸到枪上？
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S********5
发帖数: 753 | 21 There are already 39 states that will issue you a CCW as long as you ask for
it. A Texus school district has allowed guns in school since 2008. Did any
of the things you IMAGINED happened? No. Why? Because most people are not
crazy and don't want to die.
And you think kids can legally obtain a gun? Please do some researach on
existing gun laws before posting.
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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l********y
发帖数: 543 | |
S********5
发帖数: 753 | 23 Good article. I will help you to post the title:
"Utah only state to allow guns at college"
Brent Tenney says he feels pretty safe when he goes to class at the
University of Utah, but he takes no chances. He brings a loaded 9 mm
semiautomatic with him every day.
"It's not that I run around scared all day long, but if something happens to
me, I do want to be prepared," said the 24-year-old business major, who has
a concealed-weapons permit and takes the handgun everywhere but church.
After the massacre at Virginia Tech that left 33 dead, some have suggested
that the carnage might have been lower if a student or professor with a gun
had stepped in.
...
【在 l********y 的大作中提到】
: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18355953/ns/us_news-life/t/utah-onl
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 24 I am not live in the states on that list. Why a normal man wants to carry a
gun around in his daily life? If he feels that much insecure, then he
lives in a wrong place.
you
Iowa,
,
,
【在 S********5 的大作中提到】
: Which state are you in?
: There are 39 CCW (concealed carry permit) shall-issue state (meaning if you
: apply for a permit, you will get it):
: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa,
: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi,
: Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North
: Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
: South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington,
: West Virginia, Wisconsin, and Wyoming.
: If you live in one of these states, then you are ALREADY going to shopping
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T**r
发帖数: 7016 | 25 两个老中，一个人1.83米练过拳击，虎背熊腰，到各种场合都受人尊敬。另一个人1.63
米，手无腹肌之力，到处遭欺负。在中国，咱只能认命。 |
k**l
发帖数: 2966 | 26 If you are weak, you are weak everywhere. If you are strong willed, anything
can be a weapon.
You think you can/dare pull out a gun in US against black gangs?
heard the story 杨志卖刀?
63
【在 T**r 的大作中提到】
: 两个老中，一个人1.83米练过拳击，虎背熊腰，到各种场合都受人尊敬。另一个人1.63
: 米，手无腹肌之力，到处遭欺负。在中国，咱只能认命。
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S********5
发帖数: 753 | 27 Why do you buy insurances? Pardon my language but it's because shit happens!
a
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: I am not live in the states on that list. Why a normal man wants to carry a
: gun around in his daily life? If he feels that much insecure, then he
: lives in a wrong place.
:
: you
: Iowa,
: ,
: ,
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k**L
发帖数: 3630 | 28 怎么难想象？你看看今天的索马里，肯亚等国家就知道了。大人小孩人手一AK。看你不
顺眼就一梭子过去。今天连个政府都没有，这就是人人有枪的现实版。
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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r****9
发帖数: 4961 | 29 I live in the great state of Texas and I do carry most of the time. I love
my family and my neighbors and coworkers. I feel safer and sense of
responsibility when I carry. I stay away from trouble and alcohol when I
carry. It makes me a better man.
a
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: I am not live in the states on that list. Why a normal man wants to carry a
: gun around in his daily life? If he feels that much insecure, then he
: lives in a wrong place.
:
: you
: Iowa,
: ,
: ,
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r****9
发帖数: 4961 | 30 If they attack, yes, I will pull out a gun and neutralize them.
anything
【在 k**l 的大作中提到】
: If you are weak, you are weak everywhere. If you are strong willed, anything
: can be a weapon.
: You think you can/dare pull out a gun in US against black gangs?
: heard the story 杨志卖刀?
:
: 63
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 31 Do you prefer to live in a society which ordinary citizen does not have a
gun or you prefer everyone carrying a gun?
happens!
【在 S********5 的大作中提到】
: Why do you buy insurances? Pardon my language but it's because shit happens!
:
: a
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 32 OK, Are you saying without a gun you can't be a better man? I trust your
judgement but how can I trust others are the same as you? LOL.
I think ideally, none of the ordinary citizen should own a gun.
【在 r****9 的大作中提到】
: I live in the great state of Texas and I do carry most of the time. I love
: my family and my neighbors and coworkers. I feel safer and sense of
: responsibility when I carry. I stay away from trouble and alcohol when I
: carry. It makes me a better man.
:
: a
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 33 If they attack you(fisk fight) without a weapon will you still pull the
trigger? If someone attack you with a gun, I think you should look for
cover and run. In exchange of gun fire, there is no guarantee that you will
not be neutralized first place.
【在 r****9 的大作中提到】
: If they attack, yes, I will pull out a gun and neutralize them.
:
: anything
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r****9
发帖数: 4961 | 34 Gun is powerful and we should be fearful of it. Gun ownership comes with
responsibility. I trust most of the legal gun owners are responsible with
their guns. Even if few of them turned violent, they will be deterred by
most of us who are ready to protect our family from anyone wants to harm
them.
BTW, those who went through CHL training and background check to earn the
privilege to carry are actually extremely responsible people. They practice
more than average cops and shoot better than average cops. They are
definitely better people than ordinary citizens.
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: OK, Are you saying without a gun you can't be a better man? I trust your
: judgement but how can I trust others are the same as you? LOL.
: I think ideally, none of the ordinary citizen should own a gun.
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z***8
发帖数: 103 | 35
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 毫无疑问枪使犯罪变得非常容易所以极大的加速了社会出问题。
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z***8
发帖数: 103 | 36 Ding!!!!
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: Do you prefer to live in a society which ordinary citizen does not have a
: gun or you prefer everyone carrying a gun?
:
: happens!
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z***8
发帖数: 103 | 37 The fact is:
A mother bought the guns, and her bastard son claim the mother's life with
her own gun, and ....
This woman killed herself, her son and so many innocent lives by owning guns
.
If this woman did not harbor guns at home, her bastard son may choose
dumping himself and his mother into the Atlantic ocean.
practice
【在 r****9 的大作中提到】
: Gun is powerful and we should be fearful of it. Gun ownership comes with
: responsibility. I trust most of the legal gun owners are responsible with
: their guns. Even if few of them turned violent, they will be deterred by
: most of us who are ready to protect our family from anyone wants to harm
: them.
: BTW, those who went through CHL training and background check to earn the
: privilege to carry are actually extremely responsible people. They practice
: more than average cops and shoot better than average cops. They are
: definitely better people than ordinary citizens.
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t******8
发帖数: 2803 | 38 佛州通过隐藏携枪之前也有这样的讨论，怕佛州变成“牛仔的西部”。但结果呢？有枪
的社会是礼貌的文明的社会 |
t******8
发帖数: 2803 | |
y****e
发帖数: 23939 | 40 军队，警察都是人人带枪
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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G*********e
发帖数: 182 | 41 我觉得这是个很好的方法：
给那些遵纪守法的人配枪权力。
给普通人拥枪权力。
剥夺有犯罪或精神问题的人的拥枪权力。
【在 t******8 的大作中提到】
: http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6116
: 所以，已经有过成功的社会实验的。大家还是操心太多了吧。
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j****0
发帖数: 1001 | 42 攒钱买坦克上学
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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s********8
发帖数: 517 | |
s********8
发帖数: 517 | |
m*****g
发帖数: 3029 | 45
a
Why a normal man does not want to carry a gun around in his daily life?
A man who does not want to carry a gun is not a normal man.
【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: I am not live in the states on that list. Why a normal man wants to carry a
: gun around in his daily life? If he feels that much insecure, then he
: lives in a wrong place.
:
: you
: Iowa,
: ,
: ,
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f***r
发帖数: 1126 | 46 中国大部分地方都没有禁刀，也没有看到社会上人人带刀。所以你根本没有必要担
那个心。
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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c***s
发帖数: 1139 | 47 很多禁枪的老兄自己没有枪,也从来没好好了解美国社会,或者没在ccw的州里带过.对枪
的认识就只限于枪战,绑匪,西部片. 一说人人拥枪,马上脑海就条件反射想到索马里.
在美国拥枪本来很正常一事情. 咱中国大唐的时候,李白去个酒楼喝点小酒不也舞舞剑
么?
美国传统上就是勇敢人生存的家园. 不象汉人被蒙古,满清外族征服过. 拿把菜刀都哆
嗦.
美国大多数州,大街上拥枪的平民多得去了,人家枪放在衣服里面,你没看见就是了.
别把无知当光荣. 拥枪对治安有没有利,你最好去问问新疆人敢不敢在美国强卖切糕! |
s******l
发帖数: 6898 | 48 你让邓小平情何以堪啊。
63
【在 T**r 的大作中提到】
: 两个老中，一个人1.83米练过拳击，虎背熊腰，到各种场合都受人尊敬。另一个人1.63
: 米，手无腹肌之力，到处遭欺负。在中国，咱只能认命。
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A****r
发帖数: 2746 | 49 为了这些事动枪倒不至于。当然，碰上不正常的人，他（她）也许不这么看。
【在 W*******t 的大作中提到】
: 小学里小孩打架拔枪互射? 只要一个小孩有枪人人都得带枪。老板再不敢push,fire差
: 劲员工，怕被马上报复，所以干脆不雇人了？老师不敢给任何学生打低分，教育纯粹扯
: 淡？超市里一言不合马上爆发枪战？高速上经常上演大片？很难想象啊。
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g******6
发帖数: 942 | 50 你自己不动枪，保不准性格急躁，脾气大的人动枪。几年前有一次在walgreen，一个顾
客和一个店员吵起来了，那顾客回到车里拿来一把枪又回来，店员一看也摸出一把，结
果两人对射店员伤顾客死。店里的人都吓傻了。
【在 A****r 的大作中提到】
: 为了这些事动枪倒不至于。当然，碰上不正常的人，他（她）也许不这么看。
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h****7
发帖数: 2350 | 51 在小费问题上跟你争的面红耳赤, 但是这次: 100% 赞同你.
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【在 W*******s 的大作中提到】
: I am not live in the states on that list. Why a normal man wants to carry a
: gun around in his daily life? If he feels that much insecure, then he
: lives in a wrong place.
:
: you
: Iowa,
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W*******s
发帖数: 18705 | 52 得啦得啦，下次要跟人叫骂的时候先看看自己，丫昵称被人改掉都不知道还跟我斗嘴。
【在 h****7 的大作中提到】
: 在小费问题上跟你争的面红耳赤, 但是这次: 100% 赞同你.
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: a
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A****r
发帖数: 2746 | 53 这样的人是少数，但确实存在，无法保证枪不落到他们手里，这是问题所在。
【在 g******6 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不动枪，保不准性格急躁，脾气大的人动枪。几年前有一次在walgreen，一个顾
: 客和一个店员吵起来了，那顾客回到车里拿来一把枪又回来，店员一看也摸出一把，结
: 果两人对射店员伤顾客死。店里的人都吓傻了。
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A******D
发帖数: 1075 | 54
给他两发达尔文奖。后果是存活下来的人很谨慎，不易动怒。你看中国大街上天天打架
，美国这事少。基因已经进化啦！
【在 g******6 的大作中提到】
: 你自己不动枪，保不准性格急躁，脾气大的人动枪。几年前有一次在walgreen，一个顾
: 客和一个店员吵起来了，那顾客回到车里拿来一把枪又回来，店员一看也摸出一把，结
: 果两人对射店员伤顾客死。店里的人都吓傻了。
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s*****n
发帖数: 2897 | 55
【在 I*********t 的大作中提到】
: 早在那一步之前大众就受不了了。
: 社会治安总体趋于恶化，枪支泛滥只是表象，人们不再信任公共治安，转而靠自己的力
: 量来确保安全，社会在退步。
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