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_K12版 - 烦死这个Amy Chua了
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哈哈, 虎妈这广告做的, 太有水平了-虎妈采访不想被虎妈代表!已经在NPR抱怨过! (转载)
另类教育代表 Alfi Kohn大家有没有觉得自己的生活主要围着孩子再转
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Is this a marketing trick Amy Chua played to promote her book?打开收音机
看到这华女才明白找不到好老公是自己没本事 (转载)看了Amy Chua的interview,我也试着写写中美教育 (转载)
转篇ABC Jean Hsu的blog[合集] 问一个sibling的问题
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l*****r
发帖数: 7130
1
it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?
i**e
发帖数: 19242
2
哈哈哈
放p了,放p了...
m**k
发帖数: 18660
3
她挖坑的阿。。

【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
: 大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?

I*****e
发帖数: 7085
4
貌似她是华裔

【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
: 大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?

E*********e
发帖数: 10297
5
没有她,俺们K12能这么HIGH?
WSJ能这么HIGH?

【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
: 大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?

p****i
发帖数: 6135
6
你们说, Amy chua能读中文吗?

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 没有她,俺们K12能这么HIGH?
: WSJ能这么HIGH?

p****i
发帖数: 6135
7
你们说, Amy chua能读中文吗?

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 没有她,俺们K12能这么HIGH?
: WSJ能这么HIGH?

l*******e
发帖数: 3566
8
我今早也想问这个来着,会不会读写中文,一忙就忘记了。
我猜她不会?

【在 p****i 的大作中提到】
: 你们说, Amy chua能读中文吗?
s*******l
发帖数: 4870
9
我觉得不能,因为她的superior list里面没有在家一定要说中文这条:D

【在 p****i 的大作中提到】
: 你们说, Amy chua能读中文吗?
e*e
发帖数: 6808
10
lol~

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不能,因为她的superior list里面没有在家一定要说中文这条:D
相关主题
转篇ABC Jean Hsu的blog不想被虎妈代表!已经在NPR抱怨过! (转载)
zz-Why Chinese moms are not superior大家有没有觉得自己的生活主要围着孩子再转
A True Story from a Daughter and SisterAmy Chua Is a Wimp (op-ed from NYT) (转载)
E*********e
发帖数: 10297
11
她可能会,我觉得她父母很厉害,肯定是超级推巴马
她女儿不会,因为学中文不在她的LIST上

【在 p****i 的大作中提到】
: 你们说, Amy chua能读中文吗?
p****i
发帖数: 6135
12
老大要不要给她发封信, 邀请她加入我们club呀? //run

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 她可能会,我觉得她父母很厉害,肯定是超级推巴马
: 她女儿不会,因为学中文不在她的LIST上

i**e
发帖数: 19242
13
抓住你,赶紧问
俺家唐晓,你也见过了
赶紧掏心肺腑地给俺说说,推什么,咋推
//你要多少包子吧,开个价!

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 貌似她是华裔
E*********e
发帖数: 10297
14
咱们这里庙太小。。。
会被大佛一屁股坐塌

【在 p****i 的大作中提到】
: 老大要不要给她发封信, 邀请她加入我们club呀? //run
i**e
发帖数: 19242
15
没事,俺看着pg不会太大 //run。。。

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 咱们这里庙太小。。。
: 会被大佛一屁股坐塌

K****y
发帖数: 2762
16
估计要求人手买她一本书...

【在 p****i 的大作中提到】
: 老大要不要给她发封信, 邀请她加入我们club呀? //run
E*********e
发帖数: 10297
17
如来佛看着手也不大
可是孙悟空照样没跳出他五指山

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 没事,俺看着pg不会太大 //run。。。
i**e
发帖数: 19242
18
哈哈哈
如果你觉着她是佛,那我就没有办法了 :)

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 如来佛看着手也不大
: 可是孙悟空照样没跳出他五指山

s*******l
发帖数: 4870
19
为什么你天天见唐晓,要去问组织推什么?

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 抓住你,赶紧问
: 俺家唐晓,你也见过了
: 赶紧掏心肺腑地给俺说说,推什么,咋推
: //你要多少包子吧,开个价!

E*********e
发帖数: 10297
20
因为组织说,她见过孩子,就知道孩子该推什么只不过她不说

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 为什么你天天见唐晓,要去问组织推什么?
相关主题
打开收音机老大回来说
看了Amy Chua的interview,我也试着写写中美教育 (转载)讲sibling relationship的书
[合集] 问一个sibling的问题academic是不用担心滴
i**e
发帖数: 19242
21
因为组织说她看别人的孩子就知道该推什么 (还挺英勇地说她多数时候不说!)
俺笨又感情用事,说别人说的欢,到自家一般就傻眼了...

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 为什么你天天见唐晓,要去问组织推什么?
s*****r
发帖数: 1032
22
书今天出来了。已经有人义愤填膺地写孤星review了. 实在其不过的可以去添砖加瓦。
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Hymn-Tiger-Mother-Chua/dp/15942028
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
23
我觉得天使妹妹那行很适合唐晓

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 抓住你,赶紧问
: 俺家唐晓,你也见过了
: 赶紧掏心肺腑地给俺说说,推什么,咋推
: //你要多少包子吧,开个价!

i**e
发帖数: 19242
24

天使妹妹干的是哪行?
嗯,再说说为毛,就给大包子!

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得天使妹妹那行很适合唐晓
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
25
发你信箱了

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 晕
: 天使妹妹干的是哪行?
: 嗯,再说说为毛,就给大包子!

i**e
发帖数: 19242
26
看到了!

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 发你信箱了
s*******l
发帖数: 4870
27
膜拜组织!

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 因为组织说她看别人的孩子就知道该推什么 (还挺英勇地说她多数时候不说!)
: 俺笨又感情用事,说别人说的欢,到自家一般就傻眼了...

i**e
发帖数: 19242
28
贴一个review
As an attorney myself, who was raised by very strict parents (dad was a
Vietnam-era U.S. Marine), I guess I'm living proof that strict parenting
breeds "success". The same goes for my Asian wife, who also was raised by
strict parents and who is a professional with a graduate degree.
However, we have both made a conscious decision not to treat our children
the way we were treated. And while I will spend time and money exposing my
very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
and science, I will not berate her for failing to be "Number One". After all
, in a roomful of brilliant students there can only be one top dog and all
the "encouragement" in the world isn't going to make everybody the best.
Do you want happy children? Is the definition of success being a well paid
Yale law professor? I have to believe Ms. Chua's literary attempt here is
sarcasm. If she really treats her children as described in this book, maybe
they will go to Ivy League schools later and get good jobs (which they will
anyway, as legacies), but I pity them.
The other day my beautiful daughter painted me a lovely picture of flowers.
Of her own accord, with no prompting. She declared she is an artist. Who am
I to dispute such a proclamation? I will go to my grave fighting for her to
have the tools and the guidance to pursue her passions and dreams, whatever
those may be. That is because my defintion of success is not a law degree
but simply that happiness and humanity and compassion are the keys to
success. The last time I checked, compassion does not breed mediocrity.
And while it is true that strict parenting will sometimes bring success,
there is a price exacted in this method, which may be the resentment it
creates destroys family bonds.
虽然他自己是活着的证据,但是还是决定不这么对自己的孩子干了
其实骨子里是不赞同地
太理想了!
happiness, humanity and compassion
俺觉着,至少现在唐晓都有
这都是伪放的结果,然后就是唐晓对自己没有信心,因为在学术上尽吃败仗...

【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 书今天出来了。已经有人义愤填膺地写孤星review了. 实在其不过的可以去添砖加瓦。
: http://www.amazon.com/Battle-Hymn-Tiger-Mother-Chua/dp/15942028

F**********y
发帖数: 10265
29
Super zan zuzhi
Should take grace to boston

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 因为组织说,她见过孩子,就知道孩子该推什么只不过她不说
K****y
发帖数: 2762
30
看照片成么?要不录像?

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 因为组织说她看别人的孩子就知道该推什么 (还挺英勇地说她多数时候不说!)
: 俺笨又感情用事,说别人说的欢,到自家一般就傻眼了...

相关主题
转载: 关于跳级的谈话另类教育代表 Alfi Kohn
不喜欢challenge的孩子怎么办?hahahaha (转载)
哈哈, 虎妈这广告做的, 太有水平了-虎妈采访Is this a marketing trick Amy Chua played to promote her book?
E*********e
发帖数: 10297
31
“I will spend time and money exposing my
very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
and science“
其实他并不是说这些不重要,他就完全放弃
他放弃的只不过是NO.1 ON EVERYTHING这个要求和压力
我想,现在大部分的父母,不管是2ND GENERATION OR 1ST GENERATION,都或多或少摒
弃了那种非为牛首的观点,而是尽可能的EXPOSURE
当然,我还是太理想化了,可能孩子大了我就会注重这些
BTW,其实如果美儿教授不是那么唬头,我准备说,毕竟她孩子已经最小14岁了,可能
有点注重点跟我们小小孩的不一样

all

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 贴一个review
: As an attorney myself, who was raised by very strict parents (dad was a
: Vietnam-era U.S. Marine), I guess I'm living proof that strict parenting
: breeds "success". The same goes for my Asian wife, who also was raised by
: strict parents and who is a professional with a graduate degree.
: However, we have both made a conscious decision not to treat our children
: the way we were treated. And while I will spend time and money exposing my
: very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
: and science, I will not berate her for failing to be "Number One". After all
: , in a roomful of brilliant students there can only be one top dog and all

f****y
发帖数: 879
32
连带双手手心手背无闪光灯照片,再加中英文书写笔迹! // run

【在 K****y 的大作中提到】
: 看照片成么?要不录像?
s*****y
发帖数: 4595
33
how about sissy? @@

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得天使妹妹那行很适合唐晓
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
34
science and engineering
你别生气啊

【在 s*****y 的大作中提到】
: how about sissy? @@
E*********e
发帖数: 10297
35
那我们家呢?

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: science and engineering
: 你别生气啊

I*****e
发帖数: 7085
36
JK想做啥都能成top

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 那我们家呢?
b******r
发帖数: 3206
37
过犹不及。我觉得我越老越能体会这话的意思了。

all

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 贴一个review
: As an attorney myself, who was raised by very strict parents (dad was a
: Vietnam-era U.S. Marine), I guess I'm living proof that strict parenting
: breeds "success". The same goes for my Asian wife, who also was raised by
: strict parents and who is a professional with a graduate degree.
: However, we have both made a conscious decision not to treat our children
: the way we were treated. And while I will spend time and money exposing my
: very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
: and science, I will not berate her for failing to be "Number One". After all
: , in a roomful of brilliant students there can only be one top dog and all

E*********e
发帖数: 10297
38
呸,就来敷衍我
我觉得我家两工科NERD出来儿子是逃不了工科nerd了,估计女儿也差不多
都是老鼠打地洞

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: JK想做啥都能成top
b******r
发帖数: 3206
39
Zuzhi应该成立一个公司。:)

【在 K****y 的大作中提到】
: 看照片成么?要不录像?
s*****y
发帖数: 4595
40
why 生气? @@
but I am kind of surprised because she doesn't like math at all.:)

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: science and engineering
: 你别生气啊

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Is this a marketing trick Amy Chua played to promote her book?zz-Why Chinese moms are not superior
看到这华女才明白找不到好老公是自己没本事 (转载)A True Story from a Daughter and Sister
转篇ABC Jean Hsu的blog不想被虎妈代表!已经在NPR抱怨过! (转载)
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
41
你看, 我说了你又不信

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 呸,就来敷衍我
: 我觉得我家两工科NERD出来儿子是逃不了工科nerd了,估计女儿也差不多
: 都是老鼠打地洞

c*****y
发帖数: 7647
42
非得见过吗?没见过的行吗?

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: JK想做啥都能成top
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
43
你也不喜欢数学

【在 s*****y 的大作中提到】
: why 生气? @@
: but I am kind of surprised because she doesn't like math at all.:)

f****n
发帖数: 4615
44
xiner家的老大 ?
我家的老大 ?

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: JK想做啥都能成top
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
45
见过也不一定看得出来啊, 没见过本人更没戏了

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 非得见过吗?没见过的行吗?
c*****y
发帖数: 7647
46
这样。。
我真的不知道我们家两个适合做什么。

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 见过也不一定看得出来啊, 没见过本人更没戏了
I*****e
发帖数: 7085
47
我早告诉xiner了
你家老大不是练体操呢吗?

【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: xiner家的老大 ?
: 我家的老大 ?

I*****e
发帖数: 7085
48
要我说, 女娃, 嫁得好比干得好强多了. 当然, 要像唐晓那样, 干得也好嫁得也好,
最好了

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这样。。
: 我真的不知道我们家两个适合做什么。

b******r
发帖数: 3206
49
我也看见了,心里想,这个中国推妈现在才比较典型。:)

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: “I will spend time and money exposing my
: very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
: and science“
: 其实他并不是说这些不重要,他就完全放弃
: 他放弃的只不过是NO.1 ON EVERYTHING这个要求和压力
: 我想,现在大部分的父母,不管是2ND GENERATION OR 1ST GENERATION,都或多或少摒
: 弃了那种非为牛首的观点,而是尽可能的EXPOSURE
: 当然,我还是太理想化了,可能孩子大了我就会注重这些
: BTW,其实如果美儿教授不是那么唬头,我准备说,毕竟她孩子已经最小14岁了,可能
: 有点注重点跟我们小小孩的不一样

c*****y
发帖数: 7647
50
我知道嫁得好很重要。。
但是自己也得有本事。完全靠别人,不一定靠得住呀。
最好是,有本事但是不需要使,真需要用的时候也不能太弱。

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 要我说, 女娃, 嫁得好比干得好强多了. 当然, 要像唐晓那样, 干得也好嫁得也好,
: 最好了

相关主题
大家有没有觉得自己的生活主要围着孩子再转看了Amy Chua的interview,我也试着写写中美教育 (转载)
Amy Chua Is a Wimp (op-ed from NYT) (转载)[合集] 问一个sibling的问题
打开收音机老大回来说
f****n
发帖数: 4615
51
这体操太耗时间和金钱不说, 对她自己成才也不利。。
正准备停她的体操呢。。

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 我早告诉xiner了
: 你家老大不是练体操呢吗?

c*****y
发帖数: 7647
52
太可惜了。。

【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: 这体操太耗时间和金钱不说, 对她自己成才也不利。。
: 正准备停她的体操呢。。

f****n
发帖数: 4615
53
我们这儿明天下大雪, 但小老大星期五得去 Las Vegas 参加一个比赛。。
明儿晚上得准备好, 后天早上大清早的就得坐飞机去。 不知道到Boston的路好走了没
有。。
// 练体操太折腾了。。

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 太可惜了。。
c*****y
发帖数: 7647
54
你们都练到全国各地参加比赛这个级别了,
放弃有点儿可惜。
找个人evaluate一下,也许真的就练出来了,
上大学前得个全美冠军啥的,
你们就不用攒学费了吧。

【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: 我们这儿明天下大雪, 但小老大星期五得去 Las Vegas 参加一个比赛。。
: 明儿晚上得准备好, 后天早上大清早的就得坐飞机去。 不知道到Boston的路好走了没
: 有。。
: // 练体操太折腾了。。

I*****e
发帖数: 7085
55
pat pat

【在 f****n 的大作中提到】
: 我们这儿明天下大雪, 但小老大星期五得去 Las Vegas 参加一个比赛。。
: 明儿晚上得准备好, 后天早上大清早的就得坐飞机去。 不知道到Boston的路好走了没
: 有。。
: // 练体操太折腾了。。

I*****e
发帖数: 7085
56
nod

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们都练到全国各地参加比赛这个级别了,
: 放弃有点儿可惜。
: 找个人evaluate一下,也许真的就练出来了,
: 上大学前得个全美冠军啥的,
: 你们就不用攒学费了吧。

c*******u
发帖数: 12899
57
俺昨天就把她忽略寮~~连那大坑都没跳。
恩,赞我自己的淡定。

【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
: 大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?

f****n
发帖数: 4615
58
不是全国性的比赛。。。。她们 GYM 每年要组织一次去外州的比赛,去年去的NJ, 今
年定了去Las Vegas。 所有这个level的人都得去。。。
//累死个人了

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们都练到全国各地参加比赛这个级别了,
: 放弃有点儿可惜。
: 找个人evaluate一下,也许真的就练出来了,
: 上大学前得个全美冠军啥的,
: 你们就不用攒学费了吧。

l*****r
发帖数: 7130
59
她这个明显是商业炒作啊,你们骂得越凶她越高兴。

【在 E*********e 的大作中提到】
: 没有她,俺们K12能这么HIGH?
: WSJ能这么HIGH?

F**********y
发帖数: 10265
60
long distance说说小菜将来干啥好?
我个人觉得她真是适合当律师,耍嘴皮子的事情特别擅长,:S

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你看, 我说了你又不信
相关主题
讲sibling relationship的书不喜欢challenge的孩子怎么办?
academic是不用担心滴哈哈, 虎妈这广告做的, 太有水平了-虎妈采访
转载: 关于跳级的谈话另类教育代表 Alfi Kohn
r*******y
发帖数: 1729
61
可是不得不说她LD真的很帅。。。

【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: it连中国人都不是,一个菲律宾大妈而已。
: 大家不能把她当个p给放了算了吗?

r*******y
发帖数: 1729
62
nod,至少能出本书了,哈哈。

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: Zuzhi应该成立一个公司。:)
d****e
发帖数: 2395
63
组织,给看看我们FF?

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 你看, 我说了你又不信
d****e
发帖数: 2395
64
真的么,得一次就可以了?比如一个比赛按年龄有好几个LEVEL,很小的时候得个低
LEVEL的冠军也可以?

【在 c*****y 的大作中提到】
: 你们都练到全国各地参加比赛这个级别了,
: 放弃有点儿可惜。
: 找个人evaluate一下,也许真的就练出来了,
: 上大学前得个全美冠军啥的,
: 你们就不用攒学费了吧。

s*u
发帖数: 1778
65
Another review, 看的我冒冷汗
I am Chinese American, born here in the US by immigrants who fit the
description for, "tiger parents." For those of you
wondering about the end result. I will tell you my experience. We were
raised in a cold and hard environment, not
allowed to be children, but expected to basically to be monkeys performing
to often unreasonable standards. NEVER
in my entire life have I received a compliment or positive comment from my
parents. It is a constant deluge of criticism,
being berated, basically never being good enough (even when we were the top
student), not only was there the
emotional abuse, but there was also physical abuse. We had no social life.
We were booked after school with piano,
violin and other extracurricular activities that our parents wanted us to do
(with no regard as to whether or not we
wanted to do them), all in order to make our college applications look good.
We were not allowed to date, not allowed
to watch tv unless it was PBS or the news, and we were constantly told, "do
not be like stupid Americans." As you can
imagine, our childhood was a living hell. When my father would come home
from work, instead of greeting him, we
would all run upstairs and hide from him. In turn, this would make him more
angry that we were, "disrespectful" and he
would take out his anger on us (or our mom), usually through more emotional
abuse, telling us we were worthless and
stupid. Yes, we lived in fear. We did not get good grades or perform well
for ourselves, we did so, because we were
scared of our parents. We were unhappy, had no self esteem, had hardly any
friends.
So, what is the result? I am now in my late 30's, as are my siblings and I
still have not recovered from being brought up
like this. We were all academically, "successful." We all went on to
professional degrees and were pushed into going
into fields that our parents wanted. All three of us had different fields we
would have preferred, but we were told that
they were unacceptable since they were not doctor, engineer or lawyer, the
holy trinity of the tiger parent. Are we
happy? No, not really, the damaging from the way we were parented still
haunt us today. The only good thing that has
come out of it, is that I am parenting my children almost 180 degrees
opposite from the way I was brought up. Yes, I
still have high standards for them, however, I refuse to put my children
under the emotional and physical abuse that I
had to endure as a child. The only reason we are all married now, is because
we rebelled in college and started
dating. All of my parents' friends who kids did not date in college, ended
up having to deal with parents who turned
around after graduation demanding to know why they were married and popping
out grandchildren. Yes, the irony, of
following what they tell you to do, and then in the end, it's still your
fault.
You may wonder what my siblings' and my relationship is like with our
parents. It's HORRIBLE. We hate our parents,
they still try to control us even though we all have families of our own now
, they are just NEVER happy. They are still
negative, never satisfied, always comparing us to other people's adult
children to try to prove to us that we are not
good enough. Even though we did what they told us to, they are still unhappy
. Either the college we went to was not
good enough, we didn't get a perfect score on the SAT, the specialization in
our field of work was not one of high
enough status or our house/car aren't nice, enough, they ALWAYS have
something to criticize. Now they extend their
criticism to the way we are raising our own children and of course our
natural reaction is to NOT want to spend time
with them, since they are so toxic.
My parents are old now, they are upset that we are not close to them. They
cannot understand that that the way that
the cold, cruel way that they parented basically ruined their relationship
with us, instead as usual, they blame us. They
say that we are, "bad children," because we do not want to be close to them,
and that they have done nothing to make
us hate them. I do not know what we will do with my parents when they are
too old to care for themselves. NONE of us
want to take them in, not because we are unable to, but because they make us
miserable and make us feel bad about
ourselves, they are toxic. If you feel sorry for my parents feeling
abandoned by their adult children, don't be. They were
not the type of immigrants who, "sacrificed" to come to this country. My
father is from a well-to-do family and is a
physician. He would have had a more lucrative career if he stayed in Taiwan.
If you want your children to be academically successful, the tiger parent
method may work. HOWEVER, be prepared
NOT to have any sort of relationship with your adult children, because they
will loathe you when they grow up. My
siblings and I have all contemplated just cutting our parents out of our
lives, every time we talk or see them, it's a
negative experience. It is always about THEIR ego, and what THEY want. They
don't care about anyone else, parents
like this should never be allowed to have children to begin with, since they
just see their children as an extension of
their own ego.

all

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 贴一个review
: As an attorney myself, who was raised by very strict parents (dad was a
: Vietnam-era U.S. Marine), I guess I'm living proof that strict parenting
: breeds "success". The same goes for my Asian wife, who also was raised by
: strict parents and who is a professional with a graduate degree.
: However, we have both made a conscious decision not to treat our children
: the way we were treated. And while I will spend time and money exposing my
: very intelligent daughter (and newborn son) to music and math and reading
: and science, I will not berate her for failing to be "Number One". After all
: , in a roomful of brilliant students there can only be one top dog and all

b****s
发帖数: 10197
66
这个也是台湾父母啊,
咱们这些从大陆来的, 自己爸妈有那么strict, 那么严格吗?我怎么觉得我那个年纪
的, 其父母们的对子女的教育还是很放羊的。

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【在 s*u 的大作中提到】
: Another review, 看的我冒冷汗
: I am Chinese American, born here in the US by immigrants who fit the
: description for, "tiger parents." For those of you
: wondering about the end result. I will tell you my experience. We were
: raised in a cold and hard environment, not
: allowed to be children, but expected to basically to be monkeys performing
: to often unreasonable standards. NEVER
: in my entire life have I received a compliment or positive comment from my
: parents. It is a constant deluge of criticism,
: being berated, basically never being good enough (even when we were the top

i**e
发帖数: 19242
67
俺觉着,这个属于没啥爱的父母,不全是严格要求高要求的问题了
蔡美儿,俺觉着通过这本书和二闺女的反抗,可能会反思反省,结果不会这么糟糕吧?
其实,最后还是看人,什么时代都有这样的父母
不过,美国心理学社会学这么发达,心理医生这么多
这一家兄弟姐妹和那个自杀的老大,为什么不去心理咨询呢?有问题就要医啊...

【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是台湾父母啊,
: 咱们这些从大陆来的, 自己爸妈有那么strict, 那么严格吗?我怎么觉得我那个年纪
: 的, 其父母们的对子女的教育还是很放羊的。
:
: top

b******r
发帖数: 3206
68
这也是个很极端的例子吧?不过中国传统上父亲在子女面前确实威严的多,不怎么亲密
的。这是个很不好的传统。再就是那个永远批评(考了九十八批评为什么扣了两分,考
了一百批评得意忘形……),心里再高兴也不表扬的古老做派,如果再加上真正的不满
意不知足,确实令子女难受。

【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是台湾父母啊,
: 咱们这些从大陆来的, 自己爸妈有那么strict, 那么严格吗?我怎么觉得我那个年纪
: 的, 其父母们的对子女的教育还是很放羊的。
:
: top

i**e
发帖数: 19242
69
在心理上不能完全接受孩子在先,然后事事百般挑剔
父母自己的日子就比较miserable
接受孩子,爱孩子,还是可以跟孩子一起讨论,那2分是怎么丢的?
考了100分,父母也可以跟孩子沟通有努力就会有成果的道理嘛
intention/motivation/cause不同
做貌似同样的事情,效果不一样

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: 这也是个很极端的例子吧?不过中国传统上父亲在子女面前确实威严的多,不怎么亲密
: 的。这是个很不好的传统。再就是那个永远批评(考了九十八批评为什么扣了两分,考
: 了一百批评得意忘形……),心里再高兴也不表扬的古老做派,如果再加上真正的不满
: 意不知足,确实令子女难受。

r*******y
发帖数: 1729
70
呵呵,好熟悉啊。。。咱们那一代的父母很多都这样吧。到了这一代我倒感觉有点矫枉
过正了,反正我闺女我是一点批评也说不得,稍微的指正一下,人也不愿意。

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: 这也是个很极端的例子吧?不过中国传统上父亲在子女面前确实威严的多,不怎么亲密
: 的。这是个很不好的传统。再就是那个永远批评(考了九十八批评为什么扣了两分,考
: 了一百批评得意忘形……),心里再高兴也不表扬的古老做派,如果再加上真正的不满
: 意不知足,确实令子女难受。

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hahahaha (转载)转篇ABC Jean Hsu的blog
Is this a marketing trick Amy Chua played to promote her book?zz-Why Chinese moms are not superior
a****e
发帖数: 5562
71
孙子都那么大了,到了一起对孩子还要指指点点,这当父母的真是太失败了

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【在 s*u 的大作中提到】
: Another review, 看的我冒冷汗
: I am Chinese American, born here in the US by immigrants who fit the
: description for, "tiger parents." For those of you
: wondering about the end result. I will tell you my experience. We were
: raised in a cold and hard environment, not
: allowed to be children, but expected to basically to be monkeys performing
: to often unreasonable standards. NEVER
: in my entire life have I received a compliment or positive comment from my
: parents. It is a constant deluge of criticism,
: being berated, basically never being good enough (even when we were the top

b******r
发帖数: 3206
72
我觉得中国人的传统里面,根本不存在心理上不接受自己的孩子的问题,相反是太理所
当然把孩子当作自己的延续了。
大部分父母,百般挑剔的原因,如果不是因为严谨或者谦虚,那多半就是因为代入了—
—做父母的,用比对自己还严格还高的要求对待孩子所谓“爱之深,责之切”,总以为
是为了孩子更好,是对孩子有利的。这个跟为孩子挡子弹是出于同样的爱。只是现代社
会观念改变,尤其在美国这个出于另一个极端的大环境下面,孩子很难体会父母的拳拳
之心,而父母自己也容易在永远追求“更好”的习惯中忘记初衷。结果就是双方都痛苦
。我们这一代的父母,完全没有这些影子的,只怕很少很少。但是非常极端的,大概也
不多。

【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: 在心理上不能完全接受孩子在先,然后事事百般挑剔
: 父母自己的日子就比较miserable
: 接受孩子,爱孩子,还是可以跟孩子一起讨论,那2分是怎么丢的?
: 考了100分,父母也可以跟孩子沟通有努力就会有成果的道理嘛
: intention/motivation/cause不同
: 做貌似同样的事情,效果不一样

l*****f
发帖数: 13466
73
赞一个

【在 b******r 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得中国人的传统里面,根本不存在心理上不接受自己的孩子的问题,相反是太理所
: 当然把孩子当作自己的延续了。
: 大部分父母,百般挑剔的原因,如果不是因为严谨或者谦虚,那多半就是因为代入了—
: —做父母的,用比对自己还严格还高的要求对待孩子所谓“爱之深,责之切”,总以为
: 是为了孩子更好,是对孩子有利的。这个跟为孩子挡子弹是出于同样的爱。只是现代社
: 会观念改变,尤其在美国这个出于另一个极端的大环境下面,孩子很难体会父母的拳拳
: 之心,而父母自己也容易在永远追求“更好”的习惯中忘记初衷。结果就是双方都痛苦
: 。我们这一代的父母,完全没有这些影子的,只怕很少很少。但是非常极端的,大概也
: 不多。

l*****f
发帖数: 13466
74
好嘛,这位的爹妈可比蔡美儿更有资格号称Chinese mother / father ...

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【在 s*u 的大作中提到】
: Another review, 看的我冒冷汗
: I am Chinese American, born here in the US by immigrants who fit the
: description for, "tiger parents." For those of you
: wondering about the end result. I will tell you my experience. We were
: raised in a cold and hard environment, not
: allowed to be children, but expected to basically to be monkeys performing
: to often unreasonable standards. NEVER
: in my entire life have I received a compliment or positive comment from my
: parents. It is a constant deluge of criticism,
: being berated, basically never being good enough (even when we were the top

l*****f
发帖数: 13466
75
象她那样矛盾至今未解的少
管的严的应该不少

【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: 这个也是台湾父母啊,
: 咱们这些从大陆来的, 自己爸妈有那么strict, 那么严格吗?我怎么觉得我那个年纪
: 的, 其父母们的对子女的教育还是很放羊的。
:
: top

h*****z
发帖数: 4732
76
组织啊,我要带心心去给你看看:)

【在 I*****e 的大作中提到】
: 发你信箱了
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