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发帖数: 1153 | 1 bluesinsoul.blogspot.com
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发帖数: 15860 | 2 for the JJ vs. QQ hand, i guess i might not re-raise pre-flop for that
amount. his 3x re-raise indicates strength, your double re-raise only builds
a big pot, but can't get him out.
with $50 investment, and only about $166 behind, it's tough for you to play
the flop out of position.
1) the biggest problem is, for a pot of ~$100, you can't make a meaningful
bet (value or probe) any more without running the risk of shoving;
2) for any A/K/Q board, it would be bad since it very likely hits him. for
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| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 3 preflop 4bet is pretty standard given the current aggression level. If you d
on't 4 bet JJ, what hand would you 4 bet with and how would be you be able t
o get all-in preflop with AA if you only reraise the strongest hands? I'm pr
etty sure JJ is ahead of his 3bet range anyways.
The only reason I wanted to discuss this hand is because he ended up showing
QQ and on a AKxxx board I think I had a chance to move him off the pot. But
I'm not sure if I should because AKxxx seems to hit his range very
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: for the JJ vs. QQ hand, i guess i might not re-raise pre-flop for that
: amount. his 3x re-raise indicates strength, your double re-raise only builds
: a big pot, but can't get him out.
: with $50 investment, and only about $166 behind, it's tough for you to play
: the flop out of position.
: 1) the biggest problem is, for a pot of ~$100, you can't make a meaningful
: bet (value or probe) any more without running the risk of shoving;
: 2) for any A/K/Q board, it would be bad since it very likely hits him. for
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 nah, i guess unless you know this opponent very well, there is no standard
raise only for the sake of raise, AND, out of position, PLUS, 25% chips in
and can't commit the rest 75%.
the pre-flop raise "amount" is questionable:
1) it simply invites both of you to build a bigger pot;
2) then what flop are you looking for to bet? if so, how much? (with only $
166 left). it looks to me you don't have enough gunpowder to fire.
3) you two are both afraid that KxxA hits the other's hand, yet he's at
adv
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: preflop 4bet is pretty standard given the current aggression level. If you d
: on't 4 bet JJ, what hand would you 4 bet with and how would be you be able t
: o get all-in preflop with AA if you only reraise the strongest hands? I'm pr
: etty sure JJ is ahead of his 3bet range anyways.
: The only reason I wanted to discuss this hand is because he ended up showing
: QQ and on a AKxxx board I think I had a chance to move him off the pot. But
: I'm not sure if I should because AKxxx seems to hit his range very
| c********e
发帖数: 267 | 5 if im playing the JJ vs QQ hand, I might make a bet on flop and if he just
calls without reraise I somewhat know he probably doesnt have a K. However
the A in turn will scare me cuz I can't make a bluff with K,A both on the
table. if A doesn't show up, I can probably win the hand by pretending that
i have a K. Now I think i will just check in the turn and see what happens..
(Just some immature thought and welcome to comment) | p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 6 If you knew his hole cards, I think there's a chance to get a fold from many
players if you shove the turn. I think it should work over 60% of the time
to make it a profitable shove.
However, in reality you can only think in terms of ranges. I don't know much
about the opponent, suppose it's a player neither too tight nor loose,
given the preflop actions, I think you can eliminate AA/KK possibility. Now
his range seem to me is AK, AQ, QQ-99(or 88). Given the flop action, AK can
be ruled out. Now
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: preflop 4bet is pretty standard given the current aggression level. If you d
: on't 4 bet JJ, what hand would you 4 bet with and how would be you be able t
: o get all-in preflop with AA if you only reraise the strongest hands? I'm pr
: etty sure JJ is ahead of his 3bet range anyways.
: The only reason I wanted to discuss this hand is because he ended up showing
: QQ and on a AKxxx board I think I had a chance to move him off the pot. But
: I'm not sure if I should because AKxxx seems to hit his range very
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 i might bet on flop for the K if i have more chips, after all, pre-flop
action pattern fits more Ax hands than Kx hands.
however, now with only $166, and a pot of ~$100 and out of position, the bet
size would be hard to determine. <$50 can't do much, ~$80 is not much
better than shoving...
2 cents.
that
..
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
: if im playing the JJ vs QQ hand, I might make a bet on flop and if he just
: calls without reraise I somewhat know he probably doesnt have a K. However
: the A in turn will scare me cuz I can't make a bluff with K,A both on the
: table. if A doesn't show up, I can probably win the hand by pretending that
: i have a K. Now I think i will just check in the turn and see what happens..
: (Just some immature thought and welcome to comment)
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 agree, kind of way ahead or way behind situation, as dan harrington's new
series of cash game books describe.
many
time
much
Now
can
if
QQ
【在 p*****l 的大作中提到】
: If you knew his hole cards, I think there's a chance to get a fold from many
: players if you shove the turn. I think it should work over 60% of the time
: to make it a profitable shove.
: However, in reality you can only think in terms of ranges. I don't know much
: about the opponent, suppose it's a player neither too tight nor loose,
: given the preflop actions, I think you can eliminate AA/KK possibility. Now
: his range seem to me is AK, AQ, QQ-99(or 88). Given the flop action, AK can
: be ruled out. Now
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 9 i guess it's probably because we play different stakes.
in nl200 the preflop action is very aggressive, and it's very rare that my 4
bet would get flat called.
it's mostly a fold or a shove. I'll snap call a shove as the game has evolve
d to a point where ppl shove TT, AK, AQ a lot here so I'm slightly ahead of
his shoving range and calling is +ev.
In the very rare occasions I'll get called and it always confuses the crap o
ut of me; different ppl have a different flat call 4bet range and it's
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: nah, i guess unless you know this opponent very well, there is no standard
: raise only for the sake of raise, AND, out of position, PLUS, 25% chips in
: and can't commit the rest 75%.
: the pre-flop raise "amount" is questionable:
: 1) it simply invites both of you to build a bigger pot;
: 2) then what flop are you looking for to bet? if so, how much? (with only $
: 166 left). it looks to me you don't have enough gunpowder to fire.
: 3) you two are both afraid that KxxA hits the other's hand, yet he's at
: adv
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 10 yeah i guess check/fold is standard here. but then it made his play profitab
le with a wide range of hands didn't it? i mean if he thinks i 4bet with a w
ide range, he could just flat call and shove on lots of flops?
many
time
much
Now
can
if
QQ
【在 p*****l 的大作中提到】
: If you knew his hole cards, I think there's a chance to get a fold from many
: players if you shove the turn. I think it should work over 60% of the time
: to make it a profitable shove.
: However, in reality you can only think in terms of ranges. I don't know much
: about the opponent, suppose it's a player neither too tight nor loose,
: given the preflop actions, I think you can eliminate AA/KK possibility. Now
: his range seem to me is AK, AQ, QQ-99(or 88). Given the flop action, AK can
: be ruled out. Now
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 well, if you trust your read. after all, it's more about playing people (
different opponents).
thanks for sharing though, i like your blog.
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evolve
of
o
kind
QQ
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: i guess it's probably because we play different stakes.
: in nl200 the preflop action is very aggressive, and it's very rare that my 4
: bet would get flat called.
: it's mostly a fold or a shove. I'll snap call a shove as the game has evolve
: d to a point where ppl shove TT, AK, AQ a lot here so I'm slightly ahead of
: his shoving range and calling is +ev.
: In the very rare occasions I'll get called and it always confuses the crap o
: ut of me; different ppl have a different flat call 4bet range and it's
| p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 12 I don't see how he can reach this conclusion only from this hand. On the
other hand, if he really thinks that way, I think that's to your advantage,
not his, because you can manipulate his thinking. Anyway, I don't have much
NL experience at all and am not a good NL player by any standard, so i can
be totally wrong. Your blog is nice, I like it.
profitab
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【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: yeah i guess check/fold is standard here. but then it made his play profitab
: le with a wide range of hands didn't it? i mean if he thinks i 4bet with a w
: ide range, he could just flat call and shove on lots of flops?
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: many
: time
: much
: Now
: can
: if
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