c******s 发帖数: 270 | 1 有点感兴趣raw feeding,可是担心细菌和寄生虫,问问raw feeding 的家长们都是怎么
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 3 可是冰箱冷冻的温度好像不够低啊,零下80度bacteria也是可以存活的啊。。寄生虫不
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 5 。。。。担心拉肚子啥的啊。。严重的会死喵吧。。。
【在 A***a 的大作中提到】 : 有点bacteria怕啥?
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c*******u 发帖数: 12899 | 8 猫狗的牙齿不就用来撕扯肉的?
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 还有大家用的啥meat grinder 啊?
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 9 不是说Raw feeding有骨头很重要吗,猫的牙口能咬碎骨头吗? |
c******s 发帖数: 270 | 10 网上搜了一下貌似说寄生虫冷冻24小时以上可以杀死,细菌可能不完全,但是健康猫狗
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 11 People actually freeze bacteria -80C to keep it alive longer.
The source of the meat might be important. Might be better to directly
source the meat from producer instead of buying packages from supermarket.
People say whole foods and costco meat are pretty fresh. I buy from Trader
Joe's too.
I also quickly bake or boil the meat so the outside 10-20% is cooked.
People say grinding is not ideal, basically you bring in more oxygen for
microbes to grow, and lose nutrients such as taurine. I chop mine up to
chunks.
Yes bone (calcium) is very important to raw feeding, as well as organ meat (
taurine) vs muscle meat (high in phosphorus). I am lazy so use good quality
bone meal and freeze dried liver.
people say in the wild, the big cats will eat the prey over several days,
also the physiology of the cat is such that their intestines are very short,
things pass much quicker so bacteria dont have time to multiple. I'd worry
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 13 谢谢楼上的。你说的good quality bone meal 就是 trader joe's 买的然后自己稍微
表面处理一下的吗?那freeze dried liver 是什么牌子的呢?
目前调查的可以买到的raw feeding meal里面 Feline's Pride 和 Stella & Chewy's
好像不错。不知有没有人有推荐啊? |
w***o 发帖数: 6775 | 14 啊,现在知道你为啥猫粮每个月要200快乐,organic的肉好贵的
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【在 o**s 的大作中提到】 : People actually freeze bacteria -80C to keep it alive longer. : The source of the meat might be important. Might be better to directly : source the meat from producer instead of buying packages from supermarket. : People say whole foods and costco meat are pretty fresh. I buy from Trader : Joe's too. : I also quickly bake or boil the meat so the outside 10-20% is cooked. : People say grinding is not ideal, basically you bring in more oxygen for : microbes to grow, and lose nutrients such as taurine. I chop mine up to : chunks. : Yes bone (calcium) is very important to raw feeding, as well as organ meat (
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 15 唉。。我娃如果确定是食物过敏,我也觉得以后也organic raw feeding 好了 |
N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 16 grind的好处是确保每样成分都吃进去了,如果不挑食,切成块喂也可以
我有这个,不过不是特别好用,最近都用切块的;将来有钱了可能会进electric
grinder
http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Grinder-Mincer-Pasta-Maker/dp/B000
配方简单来说就是80%肉(需要一些肥肉比如带皮鸡腿),10%骨头,10%内脏一半心
一半肝,再加上维生素BE鱼油海藻水和一点点磨碎的蔬菜
冷冻可以解决寄生虫的问题;为了控制细菌,不要买绞好的肉,绞过之后要立刻冷冻起
来,绞之前也可以用开水烫一下表面
(另外-80C 冻细菌要加glycerol的阿。。。。。。。不然也冻死了吧)
家禽类的小骨头,比如鸡肋骨或者鸡翅膀,都是不错的骨头来源;不要给任何承重骨
如果不用骨头,也可以用钙或者其他替代物;不过如果用熟的bone meal,有点defeat
the purpose of raw feeding;最理想是冷冻的ground raw bone,不过我土人不知道
去哪找
也可以直接买commercial raw food;我做过计算比喂好的罐头稍微贵一点点,好像是$
1.3 vs 1.5/day这样的区别 |
c******s 发帖数: 270 | 17 哇!这楼专家好多啊,太感谢了!
【在 N******t 的大作中提到】 : grind的好处是确保每样成分都吃进去了,如果不挑食,切成块喂也可以 : 我有这个,不过不是特别好用,最近都用切块的;将来有钱了可能会进electric : grinder : http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Grinder-Mincer-Pasta-Maker/dp/B000 : 配方简单来说就是80%肉(需要一些肥肉比如带皮鸡腿),10%骨头,10%内脏一半心 : 一半肝,再加上维生素BE鱼油海藻水和一点点磨碎的蔬菜 : 冷冻可以解决寄生虫的问题;为了控制细菌,不要买绞好的肉,绞过之后要立刻冷冻起 : 来,绞之前也可以用开水烫一下表面 : (另外-80C 冻细菌要加glycerol的阿。。。。。。。不然也冻死了吧) : 家禽类的小骨头,比如鸡肋骨或者鸡翅膀,都是不错的骨头来源;不要给任何承重骨
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 18 for organ meat, i tried Chinese market chicken liver, it is messy. I ended
up using Nature's variety instinct freeze dried turkey liver
http://www.wag.com/dog/p/natures-variety-instinct-freeze-dried-
but if you do this, you probably need to supplement taurine.
for bone substitute, i bought bone meal, as mentioned, not ideal, but easy
http://www.vitacost.com/kal-bone-meal-powder
you might want to search for a better bone meal though
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【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 谢谢楼上的。你说的good quality bone meal 就是 trader joe's 买的然后自己稍微 : 表面处理一下的吗?那freeze dried liver 是什么牌子的呢? : 目前调查的可以买到的raw feeding meal里面 Feline's Pride 和 Stella & Chewy's : 好像不错。不知有没有人有推荐啊?
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 19 you silly.
i dun have $$$ and energy to feed raw.
they eat mostly can la. 3-5 meals/week raw
【在 w***o 的大作中提到】 : 啊,现在知道你为啥猫粮每个月要200快乐,organic的肉好贵的 : : (
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 20 which brand and where to buy commercial raw?
two of mine eat 1.5X 13oz can, cost at least $4.5 a day.
也可以直接买commercial raw food;我做过计算比喂好的罐头稍微贵一点点,好像是$
1.3 vs 1.5/day这样的区别
【在 N******t 的大作中提到】 : grind的好处是确保每样成分都吃进去了,如果不挑食,切成块喂也可以 : 我有这个,不过不是特别好用,最近都用切块的;将来有钱了可能会进electric : grinder : http://www.amazon.com/Norpro-Grinder-Mincer-Pasta-Maker/dp/B000 : 配方简单来说就是80%肉(需要一些肥肉比如带皮鸡腿),10%骨头,10%内脏一半心 : 一半肝,再加上维生素BE鱼油海藻水和一点点磨碎的蔬菜 : 冷冻可以解决寄生虫的问题;为了控制细菌,不要买绞好的肉,绞过之后要立刻冷冻起 : 来,绞之前也可以用开水烫一下表面 : (另外-80C 冻细菌要加glycerol的阿。。。。。。。不然也冻死了吧) : 家禽类的小骨头,比如鸡肋骨或者鸡翅膀,都是不错的骨头来源;不要给任何承重骨
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 21 我看Feline's Pride 家有kit,可以回来自己做,其中包含必须的supplement,像骨粉什
么的
【在 o**s 的大作中提到】 : for organ meat, i tried Chinese market chicken liver, it is messy. I ended : up using Nature's variety instinct freeze dried turkey liver : http://www.wag.com/dog/p/natures-variety-instinct-freeze-dried- : but if you do this, you probably need to supplement taurine. : for bone substitute, i bought bone meal, as mentioned, not ideal, but easy : http://www.vitacost.com/kal-bone-meal-powder : you might want to search for a better bone meal though : : s
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 22 Here is my homework and recipe:
The essentials are: muscle meat, organ (liver) meat (sub taurine and vit.A
and D), bone (sub bone meal) and fat (sub salmon oil).
Recipe:
- turkey breast from Tj's, $5/lb (canned food 13oz = $3.5)
- freeze in 1lb portion. 2 cats need about 1lb/day
- bake outside about 10% -20% cooked
- cut to chunks, for 1lb add: 1 raw egg, 1/4 tsp kelp and dulse, 2000mg
taurine, 2000mg salmon oil, 3/4 tbsp bone meal, freeze dried turkey liver (
commercial). |
o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 23 o? link please!
sounds much easier.
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 我看Feline's Pride 家有kit,可以回来自己做,其中包含必须的supplement,像骨粉什 : 么的
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N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 24 肝脏是提供维生素A的,taurine要加心脏
【在 o**s 的大作中提到】 : for organ meat, i tried Chinese market chicken liver, it is messy. I ended : up using Nature's variety instinct freeze dried turkey liver : http://www.wag.com/dog/p/natures-variety-instinct-freeze-dried- : but if you do this, you probably need to supplement taurine. : for bone substitute, i bought bone meal, as mentioned, not ideal, but easy : http://www.vitacost.com/kal-bone-meal-powder : you might want to search for a better bone meal though : : s
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N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 25 我们local小店有买的,有什么natural instinct还有primal
是$
【在 o**s 的大作中提到】 : which brand and where to buy commercial raw? : two of mine eat 1.5X 13oz can, cost at least $4.5 a day. : : 也可以直接买commercial raw food;我做过计算比喂好的罐头稍微贵一点点,好像是$ : 1.3 vs 1.5/day这样的区别
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N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 26 我一直以为这种做好了就跟罐头差不多呢,不是raw吧
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 我看Feline's Pride 家有kit,可以回来自己做,其中包含必须的supplement,像骨粉什 : 么的
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 27 https://www.felinespride.com/#/shop
这家的评价不错。唯一一个就是10年FDA有recall过一次(因为可能有细菌污染),但
是说最后并没有实质性证据说有问题。
【在 o**s 的大作中提到】 : o? link please! : sounds much easier.
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c******s 发帖数: 270 | 28 这个貌似只是recipe 和 supplement
肉,liver 和骨头自己买的
【在 N******t 的大作中提到】 : 我一直以为这种做好了就跟罐头差不多呢,不是raw吧
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N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 29 哦哦 i see i see
想起来了,我也找过这个产品,当时不记得他们网站有问题还是咋的,总是404,后来
就没找了
谢谢~~
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 这个貌似只是recipe 和 supplement : 肉,liver 和骨头自己买的
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N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 30 他们居然还卖著名的tasin electric grinder。。。orz
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 这个貌似只是recipe 和 supplement : 肉,liver 和骨头自己买的
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Z**i 发帖数: 5681 | 31 猫狗有盲肠的,就是用来对付细菌的。
对我们有害的细菌,对他们大多数时候没事。 |
N******t 发帖数: 16051 | 32 人没有盲肠么?@@
【在 Z**i 的大作中提到】 : 猫狗有盲肠的,就是用来对付细菌的。 : 对我们有害的细菌,对他们大多数时候没事。
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o**s 发帖数: 3412 | 33 so still have to buy bone and organ yourself?
I remember reading somewhere, that they sell a pellet, which includes all
premixed supplement, bone and organ, all you add is muscle meat. maybe that
was in my dreams.
if just supplement, it is easy to buy taurine, salmon oil, vitA B and D ba.
for me the easiest for now is 50% can 50% raw, that way dun have to worry if
100% right, the cans have plenty supplements.
i hate handling both liver and heart.
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 这个貌似只是recipe 和 supplement : 肉,liver 和骨头自己买的
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Z**i 发帖数: 5681 | 34 人的盲肠不工作的,就是废物,退化了。
猫狗的盲肠是工作的。
【在 Z**i 的大作中提到】 : 猫狗有盲肠的,就是用来对付细菌的。 : 对我们有害的细菌,对他们大多数时候没事。
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K*****a 发帖数: 705 | 35 我家喵只认罐头。。。
生肉连闻都不闻。。
【在 c******s 的大作中提到】 : 有点感兴趣raw feeding,可是担心细菌和寄生虫,问问raw feeding 的家长们都是怎么 : 解决的啊?
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