P***o
发帖数: 37 | 1 大家好
四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞，无法插管。 急诊转院，一天后实行PU
revision 手术（因为 四年前做过 PU手术）， 现在恢复。
我正在complain 第一次治疗 negligence， overcharge。 兽医把我的complain 信转
给保险公司。我需要证明收费和治疗不合理。希望有经验人士帮助 |
i*****e
发帖数: 174 | |
s*******a
发帖数: 8827 | |
b**********9
发帖数: 855 | 4 ??.........................
【在 s*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实有这看医生买药的钱都够再买两只新猫了。。。
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K*****o
发帖数: 1609 | 5 养宠物绝对不是这个概念。我的女老板，去年帮她的其中一只猫治疗癌症，共花去3
万美金，老猫超过十岁了，不给买保险。她还是从她的401K里取的钱，交了10%的罚金。
【在 s*******a 的大作中提到】
: 其实有这看医生买药的钱都够再买两只新猫了。。。
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d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 6 这家真便宜啊。
花钱还是小事了，送猫看医生矿工损失更大，555 |
K***a
发帖数: 5176 | |
x********o
发帖数: 3525 | |
z*****e
发帖数: 14786 | 9 不懂账单，帮顶一下～
不过强烈建议从今往后给猫猫吃饭的时候加parsley，可以参考下面这个帖子：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t1/pets/32547921_0_1.html
几乎所有的超市都有parsley卖，$1多可以买一把，够用一个星期以上的。我的做法是
泡成很浓的parsley tea，然后冻成冰块，每天用一块拌在罐头里。这样细水长流希望
可以降低尿堵的发生频率～ |
n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 10 楼上某位那是人说的话么？小猫小狗养久了没有感情？你家娃病了难道任他死了，再生
一个？
楼主的问题不懂帮顶，但是你要和他们纠缠，你就得举证，一般人也确实不懂医学专业
的东西，确实很烦。你要是人的我能看懂一些，但是猫猫的我也是外行了。看来得给我
家猫
好好存钱。 |
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x*****a
发帖数: 972 | 11 我觉得挺贵的，止痛剂buprenorphine，我的vet收30块，这个vet收了72。其他的条目
基本上也都挺贵的 |
I****s
发帖数: 6150 | 12 “四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞”
出院后到完全堵塞的这一周时间，都是在家呆着的吗？猫什么症状？医生有没有给开药
？ |
s*******a
发帖数: 8827 | 13 你把小孩跟猫比？你这是人话吗？你打算把你小孩以后也阉了？
【在 n**v 的大作中提到】
: 楼上某位那是人说的话么？小猫小狗养久了没有感情？你家娃病了难道任他死了，再生
: 一个？
: 楼主的问题不懂帮顶，但是你要和他们纠缠，你就得举证，一般人也确实不懂医学专业
: 的东西，确实很烦。你要是人的我能看懂一些，但是猫猫的我也是外行了。看来得给我
: 家猫
: 好好存钱。
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n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 14 呵呵，我要生了再说。问题是我不生，气死你把，你把你家娃病死算了。
话说你不觉得猫猫狗狗和孩子一样重要，你跑到这个板上溜达什么。你自己没养过宠物
来给养宠物的人指手画脚，你自己都不觉得可笑么？只显得你低级和冷酷。
自己无知吧你，你周围阴暗的人多吧，这世界上把小猫小狗当自己孩子一样爱的人多了
。你没见过估计你不理解，认为弃养才是正常选择。
【在 s*******a 的大作中提到】
: 你把小孩跟猫比？你这是人话吗？你打算把你小孩以后也阉了？
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R******0
发帖数: 6158 | 15 强re
【在 n**v 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我要生了再说。问题是我不生，气死你把，你把你家娃病死算了。
: 话说你不觉得猫猫狗狗和孩子一样重要，你跑到这个板上溜达什么。你自己没养过宠物
: 来给养宠物的人指手画脚，你自己都不觉得可笑么？只显得你低级和冷酷。
: 自己无知吧你，你周围阴暗的人多吧，这世界上把小猫小狗当自己孩子一样爱的人多了
: 。你没见过估计你不理解，认为弃养才是正常选择。
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 16 During the week after he was discharged and before the full blockage,
the cat was with me and he struggled to urinate everyday. It was quite
obvious he was in pain because he started to pee in places he will never pee
on before like stairs.
The doctor just gave us some antibiotics and some pain killer, which did not
help at all. That's another thing I was not satisfied with the treatment.
We were under the impression that the problem was fixed and the struggle was
just inevitable in the healing process.
Our cats like parsley, I did not know it has that kind of power, thanks for
the info.
【在 I****s 的大作中提到】
: “四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
: 但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞”
: 出院后到完全堵塞的这一周时间，都是在家呆着的吗？猫什么症状？医生有没有给开药
: ？
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d******g
发帖数: 5484 | 17 看了一下觉得似乎是比较贵的vet
我去过几个不同的Vets一般的检查费都是30-40+不等，60有点贵了
9天住院费216，每天24也不便宜，上次墩儿住了一天的医院也才20。
其他的没用过（希望永远也不需要用），就不知道了 |
m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 18 你的猫粮是？ 我的猫也有这病。
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: 大家好
: 四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
: 但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞，无法插管。 急诊转院，一天后实行PU
: revision 手术（因为 四年前做过 PU手术）， 现在恢复。
: 我正在complain 第一次治疗 negligence， overcharge。 兽医把我的complain 信转
: 给保险公司。我需要证明收费和治疗不合理。希望有经验人士帮助
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t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 19 IV fluid，这个是和住院费一起算的吗？每天几次？
我带咪宝去掉水，每天一次，好像去了三天吧，只收了一次的钱，也不过是25还是50的
。不过她吊的不多倒是 |
t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 20 哦，看到了，24次。
难道每次都要钱啊，就不能折扣一下么
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: IV fluid，这个是和住院费一起算的吗？每天几次？
: 我带咪宝去掉水，每天一次，好像去了三天吧，只收了一次的钱，也不过是25还是50的
: 。不过她吊的不多倒是
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t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 21 我觉得一项一项argue不太现实，你就直接跟vet说，钱太多，你没那么多，让他们给点
折扣。 |
s******y
发帖数: 375 | |
N******t
发帖数: 16051 | 23 别跟ls那个浪费口舌，人家是挖坑专业户
账单不懂，要argue negligence是要证明either该做的检查没做or检查做了但是病没有
治好？那不是应该focus在病没有治好这个事实上么。。。那个PU手术是什么？是
suppose做一次永久治愈的么？ |
t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 24 是Perineal urethrostomy
Treatment
Urethral obstruction is an emergency. Yet, if the symptoms are noticed early
and professional treatment is obtained immediately, your cat’s chance of
recovery is almost 100 percent.
Your veterinarian will first try to relieve the obstruction by applying
gentle pressure to the bladder and manipulating the penis. If the plug
remains, the doctor may insert a catheter through the urethra into the
bladder (with the cat sedated or under a light anesthesia) or suction urine
directly from the bladder with a needle and syringe.
Usually, one of the above procedures will remove the obstruction. As a last
resort, however, or if the cat is prone to obstructions, surgery is required
. Even if the initial procedures do work, obstruction may recur in some cats
within days or weeks.
What does the surgery entail?
The surgical procedure is called a perineal urethrostomy. Your veterinarian
will remove much of the penis and the narrow portion of the urethra and
leave a wider opening for the remaining portion under the anus. Your cat may
be hospitalized for several days, and often a catheter will be left in
place overnight or longer. Afterward, Kitty may be treated with antibiotics,
urinary antiseptics, and urinary acidifiers. Post-operative care at home
will require you to carefully observe Kitty and his potty habits.
Perineal urethrostomy will permanently cure urethral obstruction in 90
percent of male cats. The surgery does not affect the formation of crystals
(which result in the plug to begin with), but provides a wider passageway
for their release outside the body. Thus, blockages should not recur, but
bladder infections might.
【在 N******t 的大作中提到】
: 别跟ls那个浪费口舌，人家是挖坑专业户
: 账单不懂，要argue negligence是要证明either该做的检查没做or检查做了但是病没有
: 治好？那不是应该focus在病没有治好这个事实上么。。。那个PU手术是什么？是
: suppose做一次永久治愈的么？
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 25 Right on.
My cat was the 10%, first PU kept him out of trouble for 4.5 years. This is
the second PU, called PU revision, but the second PU has nothing to do with
the invoice I am showing and have a problem with.
The invoice I am showing is about the first treatment, basically what was
done was just empty his bladder, and stayed in the hospital for 1 day(not 9
days I saw in other post). He was discharged on Sept 15th. The second PU was
performed at a different vet on Sept 20th, which I have nothing to complain
at this moment.
I wrote a letter to the vet last week and she forwarded my complain letter
to the insurance company that deals with medical accidents. I need to
provide evidence to the adjuster that the treatment was over charged and not
effective.
Does anyone know any English website, groups etc that deals with this kind
of situation?
Thanks
P
early
urine
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: 是Perineal urethrostomy
: Treatment
: Urethral obstruction is an emergency. Yet, if the symptoms are noticed early
: and professional treatment is obtained immediately, your cat’s chance of
: recovery is almost 100 percent.
: Your veterinarian will first try to relieve the obstruction by applying
: gentle pressure to the bladder and manipulating the penis. If the plug
: remains, the doctor may insert a catheter through the urethra into the
: bladder (with the cat sedated or under a light anesthesia) or suction urine
: directly from the bladder with a needle and syringe.
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d******g
发帖数: 5484 | 26 住院一天216？
因为看到quantity 24，想不出为什么是这个数，发现24X9=216...
不懂为什么 |
t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 27 vet应该都是自己报价格的。而且pet insurance并不直接与vet接触，相当于是给owner
补偿，所以他们也不会去和vet argue，像人类health insurance一样。
我觉得保险公司不会掺和某一项charge多少，比如这个vet visiting 是50，你的vet是
60，保险公式不care，他只是按他们的政策给你一定补偿而已。
所以你只能让vet打折，和保险公司没有太大关系，除非保险公司说，这项我不报，因
为不是必须的，那么就需要vet写信给保险公司说，比如这个treatment如何必须必须，
不是pre-existing之类的了。至于每一项treatment的charge多少，保险公司应该不会
管。 |
N******t
发帖数: 16051 | 28 需要第二次手术这个事实，是不是就说明第一次手术不effective。。。
bless
is
with
9
was
complain
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: Right on.
: My cat was the 10%, first PU kept him out of trouble for 4.5 years. This is
: the second PU, called PU revision, but the second PU has nothing to do with
: the invoice I am showing and have a problem with.
: The invoice I am showing is about the first treatment, basically what was
: done was just empty his bladder, and stayed in the hospital for 1 day(not 9
: days I saw in other post). He was discharged on Sept 15th. The second PU was
: performed at a different vet on Sept 20th, which I have nothing to complain
: at this moment.
: I wrote a letter to the vet last week and she forwarded my complain letter
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t*****u
发帖数: 8966 | 29 估计是挂了24个单位的fluid
但是不知道是不是这种住院挂水会比一般的owner带着去打一袋掉水多做多少事？就觉
得这项挺贵的。别的都几十，不好说，加起来多，但是一项项真不好argue。而且vet做
都做了，就算你说用不着，vet也会说要把成本收回来，所以我还是觉得只能整体打折
，比如给个20% off
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 住院一天216？
: 因为看到quantity 24，想不出为什么是这个数，发现24X9=216...
: 不懂为什么
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 30 Used to be science diet dry food+natures variety can food
it is going to be royal canin urinary so, maybe parsely?
【在 m******t 的大作中提到】
: 你的猫粮是？ 我的猫也有这病。
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 31 Problem with that is I already paid.
That's another thing I did not feel very comfortable. The doctor insisted I
paid in full right there right then. No discount, non negotiable. I did not
feel like talking to a doctor but to a stone statue with a big NO on the
forehead. She did not consult with me about the test, check ups. She just
showed up once she was done with everything and gave me this bill and showed
me the way to the cashier. I know vet are supposed to take advantage of
this kind of situation, but she was the worst kind. That's 50% of the reason
why I am doing this.
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: 估计是挂了24个单位的fluid
: 但是不知道是不是这种住院挂水会比一般的owner带着去打一袋掉水多做多少事？就觉
: 得这项挺贵的。别的都几十，不好说，加起来多，但是一项项真不好argue。而且vet做
: 都做了，就算你说用不着，vet也会说要把成本收回来，所以我还是觉得只能整体打折
: ，比如给个20% off
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n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 32 夜猫说的没错，negligence好证明一些，但是Over-charge这个很难。别说做手术，就
是体检一下，我家门口两家，一只猫的价钱查五六十。一针疫苗贵十几块，医生摸摸贵
十几块，一个大便检查贵十几，一项一项就上去了。但是你要是把猫送进去了，再
complain，似乎有点难。
我大概看了一下账单，想象一下人做类似的手术，兽医做的也差不多是该做的：导尿管
，镇定剂，麻药，不断查各种chemistry/electrolytes(因为这个术后真的很重要), 尿
检。。。但是至于有没有做非常不必要做的，这个谁也说不清。每个医生看法不一样，
每个医生confidence level不一样，每个病人病情不一样。
如果你要说第一次negligence了，比上面那个可能容易些，如果你有足够的医学知识，
并且有第一次检查的报告啥的。 |
n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 33 楼主先别急，给你讲个故事。
昨天我们有个病人，运动的时候扭伤了筋骨，她自己回家揉啊揉的，小腿
整个瘀青并且肿了。其实呢，问题不大，该冷敷的，她自己揉啊揉把毛细血管揉破裂了
而已。
但是呢，她自己非常担心，她说她的朋友也都催她赶紧看医生，加上她马上要做长途飞
机，那我们就建议她去照片子了，可能要100多块钱。
如果这个病人自己不是那么concern，这个ultrasound她肯定不用做；如果碰见一个没
经验的医生，或许就会强烈推荐她做以确保没事。你说谁对谁错呢，医生本身有区别，
医生根据不同病人的情况决定也不同。没有clear cut的。
所以我觉得bottom line是猫猫到底现在怎么样，如果猫猫现在很好，恢复也很好，可
能我就算了，毕竟一次，我以后换医生得了；但是要是他做了这么多，猫猫越来越差了
，那我真是非斗争到底了。 |
m*****O
发帖数: 3558 | 34 geez
terrible
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: 大家好
: 四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
: 但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞，无法插管。 急诊转院，一天后实行PU
: revision 手术（因为 四年前做过 PU手术）， 现在恢复。
: 我正在complain 第一次治疗 negligence， overcharge。 兽医把我的complain 信转
: 给保险公司。我需要证明收费和治疗不合理。希望有经验人士帮助
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 35 I used to be the move on kind of person, but this time is different.
On top of that, I already paid all my bills. so I have nothing to lose, not
like they are the only vet in town.
There is another story behind it, on sept 20, 1 week after the treatment, my
cat was blocked again(in fact he suffered the whole week), so I called the
vet and ask them what to do? They told me bring my cat in and they will
charge me around $600 to empty his bladder. I told them that was not what I
was calling them for, I want them to help my cat pee on his own, not have
him cathetered every week for $600. There got to be a better way than this.
Later they noticed the cat had a full blockage, they could not even put a
catheter in, that's when they referred me to a specialist who can perform a
PU revision on my cat.
The way they treated my cat was very unprofessional and unethical. It is
kind of different from the honest mistake in your example, my vet knew
exactly what they are capable of, and knew exactly what the best solution
was, they just did not want to not to take advantage of the situation. There
were couple of times I thought about let my cat go which bothers me a lot
now, because they led me to believe it was very hard to keep my cat alive.
【在 n**v 的大作中提到】
: 楼主先别急，给你讲个故事。
: 昨天我们有个病人，运动的时候扭伤了筋骨，她自己回家揉啊揉的，小腿
: 整个瘀青并且肿了。其实呢，问题不大，该冷敷的，她自己揉啊揉把毛细血管揉破裂了
: 而已。
: 但是呢，她自己非常担心，她说她的朋友也都催她赶紧看医生，加上她马上要做长途飞
: 机，那我们就建议她去照片子了，可能要100多块钱。
: 如果这个病人自己不是那么concern，这个ultrasound她肯定不用做；如果碰见一个没
: 经验的医生，或许就会强烈推荐她做以确保没事。你说谁对谁错呢，医生本身有区别，
: 医生根据不同病人的情况决定也不同。没有clear cut的。
: 所以我觉得bottom line是猫猫到底现在怎么样，如果猫猫现在很好，恢复也很好，可
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 36 I didn't buy any insurance for my cat, so I paid the bill on my own. The
insurance I mentioned above is the vet's own insurance company.
owner
【在 t*****u 的大作中提到】
: vet应该都是自己报价格的。而且pet insurance并不直接与vet接触，相当于是给owner
: 补偿，所以他们也不会去和vet argue，像人类health insurance一样。
: 我觉得保险公司不会掺和某一项charge多少，比如这个vet visiting 是50，你的vet是
: 60，保险公式不care，他只是按他们的政策给你一定补偿而已。
: 所以你只能让vet打折，和保险公司没有太大关系，除非保险公司说，这项我不报，因
: 为不是必须的，那么就需要vet写信给保险公司说，比如这个treatment如何必须必须，
: 不是pre-existing之类的了。至于每一项treatment的charge多少，保险公司应该不会
: 管。
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n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 37 其实我说的也不是什么honest example, 我们也不过是为了cover自己，因为显然那个
病人很concern，极有可能以后出了问题都往这个上面扯，所以我们就把症状说的严重
一点，让她去做ultrosound 算了。美国人老说医疗费用高，有些检查不必做，其实见
多了病人就明白了，人的心理对健康的影响很大的，如果那些检查不做，有些病人永远
都不放心，反倒最后没病也成了有病了。
扯远了扯远了，这些和你的都没关系了。我明白你的point，你其实很责怪医生为09/20
的时候没有尽到责任，而只是把猫猫当成上门赚钱的工具。是啊，是很气愤啊，做医生
最怕的就是黑心了。
可是怎么能帮你呢，我也想不出办法。你能想出办法给大家说，大家都会帮的。猫猫太
可怜了！
not
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: I used to be the move on kind of person, but this time is different.
: On top of that, I already paid all my bills. so I have nothing to lose, not
: like they are the only vet in town.
: There is another story behind it, on sept 20, 1 week after the treatment, my
: cat was blocked again(in fact he suffered the whole week), so I called the
: vet and ask them what to do? They told me bring my cat in and they will
: charge me around $600 to empty his bladder. I told them that was not what I
: was calling them for, I want them to help my cat pee on his own, not have
: him cathetered every week for $600. There got to be a better way than this.
: Later they noticed the cat had a full blockage, they could not even put a
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 38 Let me get this straignt.
The bill of $1,123 dated on 09/14/2012(I uploaded in this post) is only for
the blockage treatment.I feel the vet overcharged and ineffective.
The PU revision surgery was conducted by a specialist in a different
hospital on 09/24/2012, which I paid another $2,800. The surgery is a
success. I have nothing to complain about.
【在 n**v 的大作中提到】
: 夜猫说的没错，negligence好证明一些，但是Over-charge这个很难。别说做手术，就
: 是体检一下，我家门口两家，一只猫的价钱查五六十。一针疫苗贵十几块，医生摸摸贵
: 十几块，一个大便检查贵十几，一项一项就上去了。但是你要是把猫送进去了，再
: complain，似乎有点难。
: 我大概看了一下账单，想象一下人做类似的手术，兽医做的也差不多是该做的：导尿管
: ，镇定剂，麻药，不断查各种chemistry/electrolytes(因为这个术后真的很重要), 尿
: 检。。。但是至于有没有做非常不必要做的，这个谁也说不清。每个医生看法不一样，
: 每个医生confidence level不一样，每个病人病情不一样。
: 如果你要说第一次negligence了，比上面那个可能容易些，如果你有足够的医学知识，
: 并且有第一次检查的报告啥的。
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 39 The first PU surgery was operated by a regular vet on 05/2008.
Anyway, really appriciated your help and support!
[ 在 Pluto (Movie God) 的大作中提到: ]
for
surgery is a |
m*******u
发帖数: 6052 | 40 "they just did not want to not to take advantage of the situation."
要求曝光该兽医院
另外你一直喂比较单一的猫粮是不是不好？ |
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x****e
发帖数: 1773 | 41 俺打酱油路过。顺便说一句：“你把你家娃病死算了”，这个话太mean了。
【在 n**v 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，我要生了再说。问题是我不生，气死你把，你把你家娃病死算了。
: 话说你不觉得猫猫狗狗和孩子一样重要，你跑到这个板上溜达什么。你自己没养过宠物
: 来给养宠物的人指手画脚，你自己都不觉得可笑么？只显得你低级和冷酷。
: 自己无知吧你，你周围阴暗的人多吧，这世界上把小猫小狗当自己孩子一样爱的人多了
: 。你没见过估计你不理解，认为弃养才是正常选择。
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N******t
发帖数: 16051 | 42 so is ＂看病的钱可以买俩新娃＂
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.5
【在 x****e 的大作中提到】
: 俺打酱油路过。顺便说一句：“你把你家娃病死算了”，这个话太mean了。
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u****i
发帖数: 1679 | |
d**********o
发帖数: 686 | 44 我觉得还好啦的。 上次猫咪眼睛发炎而开了两瓶眼药水就1000多了。不过是ER. |
x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 45 好像没有人说这话吧？如果有也是某位仁兄先把猫和小孩摆在同等地位的吧？别人可以
有别人的观点，有必要这么judgemental吗？
有些人愿意把宠物放在和人一样的位置上，有些人愿意倾家荡产给自己的宠物治病。这
些看法和做法我觉得都有一定道理，但只是我个人并不同意这些看法。I love my 3
kitties to pieces, but their well-being comes second to that of mine and my
(human) family's. 显然这里有很多人不赞同我的看法，但不要一听到不同的声音就去
攻击，诅咒别人。You're only making us look bad!
【在 N******t 的大作中提到】
: so is ＂看病的钱可以买俩新娃＂
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.5
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l*******o
发帖数: 986 | |
B**********A
发帖数: 1272 | 47 我的猫就是家人。虽然我不可能100% 的把他们当作人类对待， 但是我会尽自己的努力
，让他们幸福。
老公有些过敏，但还没严重到要把猫隔离的地步。我曾感叹还好老公没严重过敏， 不
然让我两难。老公说，就算是那样，只需要把一间屋子给猫咪用，不需要送走猫。我知
道，只有生死才能把我们分开。
不离不弃，是一生的承诺。 |
m*****r
发帖数: 280 | |
x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 49 I totally respect your opinion. Your kitties are lucky to have you guys.
I'm not allergic to cats, but I think if I am, I will give up the kitties.
【在 B**********A 的大作中提到】
: 我的猫就是家人。虽然我不可能100% 的把他们当作人类对待， 但是我会尽自己的努力
: ，让他们幸福。
: 老公有些过敏，但还没严重到要把猫隔离的地步。我曾感叹还好老公没严重过敏， 不
: 然让我两难。老公说，就算是那样，只需要把一间屋子给猫咪用，不需要送走猫。我知
: 道，只有生死才能把我们分开。
: 不离不弃，是一生的承诺。
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x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 50 If you're a student, you can take advantage of the free legal consulting
offered to students. I think the most important thing right now is to make
sure if you have a case or not.
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: 大家好
: 四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
: 但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞，无法插管。 急诊转院，一天后实行PU
: revision 手术（因为 四年前做过 PU手术）， 现在恢复。
: 我正在complain 第一次治疗 negligence， overcharge。 兽医把我的complain 信转
: 给保险公司。我需要证明收费和治疗不合理。希望有经验人士帮助
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d******g
发帖数: 5484 | 51 就像你说的你的观点是你的事情，请尊重别人，而不是在别人为自己的猫花钱看病的时
候，在旁嘟嘟囔囔一句──这钱够买俩猫了。
试想一下你花钱给孩子上课外班，有人在旁叽里咕噜，天份不行就别浪费钱了。the
point is, it's ur money and your kid. 轮的着别人来指手画脚么。
【在 x*****b 的大作中提到】
: If you're a student, you can take advantage of the free legal consulting
: offered to students. I think the most important thing right now is to make
: sure if you have a case or not.
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x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 52 I'm not trying to defend that guy (and I don't think I did). I'm sorry if
what I said made you think that way, but that was not my intention. Just
because s/he was being a jerk doesn't mean we should start attacking him/her.
What you said is perfectly right, but it was sort of unrelated to what I
said.
【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 就像你说的你的观点是你的事情，请尊重别人，而不是在别人为自己的猫花钱看病的时
: 候，在旁嘟嘟囔囔一句──这钱够买俩猫了。
: 试想一下你花钱给孩子上课外班，有人在旁叽里咕噜，天份不行就别浪费钱了。the
: point is, it's ur money and your kid. 轮的着别人来指手画脚么。
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m*******g
发帖数: 7050 | 53 。。。
你把自己当耶稣了。。。阿门
her.
【在 x*****b 的大作中提到】
: I'm not trying to defend that guy (and I don't think I did). I'm sorry if
: what I said made you think that way, but that was not my intention. Just
: because s/he was being a jerk doesn't mean we should start attacking him/her.
: What you said is perfectly right, but it was sort of unrelated to what I
: said.
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x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 54 What do you mean?
【在 m*******g 的大作中提到】
: 。。。
: 你把自己当耶稣了。。。阿门
:
: her.
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n**v
发帖数: 2109 | 55 啊啊啊，大家别吵了，呵呵。我承认我不该说他家孩子，不过那个id真的挺无脑的，
mean在先。不能把猫猫当成孩子一样重要，这个我完全可以理解。但是他说话很不屑一
副弃养得了的样子，我确实觉得很生气。
还是focus楼主问题吧，大家息怒，好好过周末！希望楼主的问题早点解决。
【在 x*****b 的大作中提到】
: What do you mean?
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z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 56 不像耶稣，更像唐僧
【在 m*******g 的大作中提到】
: 。。。
: 你把自己当耶稣了。。。阿门
:
: her.
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z*****a
发帖数: 9790 | 57 别人把猫和小孩摆在同等地位也是别人的观点，用得着你们来judge吗？
人家lz不是来问你你愿意不愿意花钱给宠物治病的，你们犯不着进来犯贱。
my
【在 x*****b 的大作中提到】
: 好像没有人说这话吧？如果有也是某位仁兄先把猫和小孩摆在同等地位的吧？别人可以
: 有别人的观点，有必要这么judgemental吗？
: 有些人愿意把宠物放在和人一样的位置上，有些人愿意倾家荡产给自己的宠物治病。这
: 些看法和做法我觉得都有一定道理，但只是我个人并不同意这些看法。I love my 3
: kitties to pieces, but their well-being comes second to that of mine and my
: (human) family's. 显然这里有很多人不赞同我的看法，但不要一听到不同的声音就去
: 攻击，诅咒别人。You're only making us look bad!
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P**********e
发帖数: 739 | 58 Re这个
猫和人差别太大了。给宠物投入这事就是量力而为。你把猫当孩子，他们不会把你当爸
\妈。但你的孩子不会。
【在 x****e 的大作中提到】
: 俺打酱油路过。顺便说一句：“你把你家娃病死算了”，这个话太mean了。
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x*****b
发帖数: 271 | 59 麻煩你告訴我，我怎麼judge別人了？我怎麼犯賤了？真搞不懂你這人。
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 别人把猫和小孩摆在同等地位也是别人的观点，用得着你们来judge吗？
: 人家lz不是来问你你愿意不愿意花钱给宠物治病的，你们犯不着进来犯贱。
:
: my
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o**s
发帖数: 3412 | 60 I am thinking,
You can try bargain with your vet. Tell her exactly how you feel (overcharge
, ineffective treatment) and ask her to revise the bill, either give you
cash refund (probably hard), or cash credit towards feature uses (more
likely). Also hint at her that if she does not negotiate, you will make your
voice heard as a consumer. Yelp reviews for one, is pretty effective,
especially for small businesses.
Try your best, but dun get too down on this. If maomao is well now, that is
a blessing. Dun feed dry food anymore, only canned, maybe try raw? Cash can
buy health, happiness, and peace of mind, then so be it. |
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z*****r
发帖数: 967 | 61 吃nag每天300ml或治急性尿堵amazon有卖的草药混合片
你的账单不算多的
找便宜的宠物医院，一般80多能搞定
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: 大家好
: 四周前我的猫猫也发生尿堵，送医院医生只插管导尿，观察一天出院。
: 但猫猫情况未见好转，一周后完全堵塞，无法插管。 急诊转院，一天后实行PU
: revision 手术（因为 四年前做过 PU手术）， 现在恢复。
: 我正在complain 第一次治疗 negligence， overcharge。 兽医把我的complain 信转
: 给保险公司。我需要证明收费和治疗不合理。希望有经验人士帮助
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m*******g
发帖数: 7050 | 62 不mean啊，猫也是爸妈的心头肉，当你为自己孩子生病着急的时候别人来一句“再去生
一个”，你什么感觉啊？这句话也就是将心比心，让那个说风凉话的人尝尝滋味而已。
【在 x****e 的大作中提到】
: 俺打酱油路过。顺便说一句：“你把你家娃病死算了”，这个话太mean了。
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P***o
发帖数: 37 | 63 I am not rich, you might laugh at me if you know how much I have spent on
this cat in the past7 years. Everytime a big bill like this appears, I
would just tell myself maybe thats just how much I owe those cats I used to
own when I was a kid.
I tried to bargain with the vet, but she was like a female communist made by
special material. The problem is not about how much she charged me, the
problem is after 1.2k medical care, everything turned worse. If she had
refrained
her greed and made my life a little easier because the surgery a week later
cost me close to 2.8k. I could use part of the $1.2k to finance the surgery
. If it weren't for the full blockage when she was not able to put the
catheter in again, I don't know how long she is going to milk me until I
lost all the confidence and resources to support my cat, to find real
competent vet to treat my cat.
I am going to make her life a little difficult in the next couple of months
so other pet owners would not have to experience what I have experienced.
overcharge
your
is
can
【在 o**s 的大作中提到】
: I am thinking,
: You can try bargain with your vet. Tell her exactly how you feel (overcharge
: , ineffective treatment) and ask her to revise the bill, either give you
: cash refund (probably hard), or cash credit towards feature uses (more
: likely). Also hint at her that if she does not negotiate, you will make your
: voice heard as a consumer. Yelp reviews for one, is pretty effective,
: especially for small businesses.
: Try your best, but dun get too down on this. If maomao is well now, that is
: a blessing. Dun feed dry food anymore, only canned, maybe try raw? Cash can
: buy health, happiness, and peace of mind, then so be it.
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o**s
发帖数: 3412 | 64 I was in your shoes before and am in your shoes now, complete different
situations, but similar kind of frustration and perhaps, anger.
It is disruptive, at least to my life. We only have certain amount of energy
to spend. I didn't mean to sound apathetic, just glad your kitty is okay
now after having gone through all the crap, hopefully you don't have to go
through the same thing again.
Give her business a bad review, report her to consumer protection groups.
This will, like you said, prevent other people from going through the same,
and I bet you will feel better for having done things to help others. |
I****s
发帖数: 6150 | 65 理解你的心情。
不过一般来说，常规处理后，是很有可能再次恶化。vet不可能一发现堵尿，就立马给
猫做手术，完全不管猫是否能自己恢复正常。又或者要求猫一直住院观察来确保能痊愈
，这个估计主人也不会同意。其实堵尿发生后，还是得靠主人自己不断的观察，看需不
需要马上再去医院。
我家猫之前堵尿，也是一样的程序，输液插尿管，住一两天院后回家。每天吃止痛药和
消炎药。但是我发现回家一两天后，排尿还是非常不顺利（总尿量非常少），就马上送
猫去急诊了。没有拖一周之久。
你的vet不好的地方在于没有事先跟你讨论治疗和花费的事情，而且态度非常不好。至
于你想起诉的疏忽和收费过高。我不是很看好能搞定。当然，非常希望你能讨回公道，
至少给无良vet一个警告。以后还是换家医院吧，你这个vet太不nice了。
to
by
later
surgery
【在 P***o 的大作中提到】
: I am not rich, you might laugh at me if you know how much I have spent on
: this cat in the past7 years. Everytime a big bill like this appears, I
: would just tell myself maybe thats just how much I owe those cats I used to
: own when I was a kid.
: I tried to bargain with the vet, but she was like a female communist made by
: special material. The problem is not about how much she charged me, the
: problem is after 1.2k medical care, everything turned worse. If she had
: refrained
: her greed and made my life a little easier because the surgery a week later
: cost me close to 2.8k. I could use part of the $1.2k to finance the surgery
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m*******1
发帖数: 213 | 66 还有，强烈建议去bbb.org发一个正式的投诉，说不定她就怕了呢。 很多人是欺软怕硬
的主，如果礼不行就只能兵了。我看不懂帐单所以不知道你是否有case. 但是态度恶劣
的人我也很讨厌。同意楼上的去yelp之类的写语气强烈的review，反正什么review/
social media（fb, twitter, etc.）的网站都写一份，即使你哪不回钱也可以警告以
后的人不去光顾她家。我觉得bbb可能最有效。bless! |
g******i
发帖数: 742 | |
