H*****i
发帖数: 1867 | 1 165Lb. 跟腱炎还没完全好，后掌全掌落地为主，速度主要是压在10分配速，控制心跳
为主。 以前跑10MiLe没事。 上周跑一次半马， 最后跟腱几个MiLe开始有点不舒服。
所以打算买个新鞋跑长的。 不知道哪个到底好一些。 听说N比较软 但是我又怕太沉
影响步频， C我又怕缓冲不够。 | w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 2 As far as running shoes are concerned, there is no such thing as 缓冲不够.
It's all in your mind. btw, both are way too thick and soft, in my opinion.
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【在 H*****i 的大作中提到】
: 165Lb. 跟腱炎还没完全好，后掌全掌落地为主，速度主要是压在10分配速，控制心跳
: 为主。 以前跑10MiLe没事。 上周跑一次半马， 最后跟腱几个MiLe开始有点不舒服。
: 所以打算买个新鞋跑长的。 不知道哪个到底好一些。 听说N比较软 但是我又怕太沉
: 影响步频， C我又怕缓冲不够。
| o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 3 cumulus吧,nimbus除了外表骚一点,价钱贵一点,重量大一点,没什么了.
主要还是要跑慢点.我们平时跑步,不管是5迈还是15迈,基本上都是10分左右的pace.
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【在 H*****i 的大作中提到】
: 165Lb. 跟腱炎还没完全好，后掌全掌落地为主，速度主要是压在10分配速，控制心跳
: 为主。 以前跑10MiLe没事。 上周跑一次半马， 最后跟腱几个MiLe开始有点不舒服。
: 所以打算买个新鞋跑长的。 不知道哪个到底好一些。 听说N比较软 但是我又怕太沉
: 影响步频， C我又怕缓冲不够。
| y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 4 If you like racing, cumulus or even lower end, gel pulse. Although they are
not very light for a race, they are on the track to get you a racing flat.
Otherwise select nimbus. Spending more money will probably make you feel
better.
165Lb. 跟腱炎还没完全好，后掌全掌落地为主，速度主要是压在10分配速，控制心跳
为主。 以前跑10MiLe没事。 上周跑一次半马， 最后跟腱几个MiLe开始有点不舒服。
所以打算买个新鞋跑长的。 不知道哪个到底好一些。 听说N比较软 但是我又怕太沉
影响步频， C我又怕缓冲不够。
【在 H*****i 的大作中提到】
: 165Lb. 跟腱炎还没完全好，后掌全掌落地为主，速度主要是压在10分配速，控制心跳
: 为主。 以前跑10MiLe没事。 上周跑一次半马， 最后跟腱几个MiLe开始有点不舒服。
: 所以打算买个新鞋跑长的。 不知道哪个到底好一些。 听说N比较软 但是我又怕太沉
: 影响步频， C我又怕缓冲不够。
| l*****8
发帖数: 710 | 5 两个都不喜欢，试过了，确实都太软。也在寻找鞋子中，喜欢kayano的感觉，有相似的
中性鞋么？ | y******n
发帖数: 4527 | 6 kayano is way out of neutral
It is a product that makes more profit using some bullshit marketing points~
\citep{whx et al., 2010}
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 两个都不喜欢，试过了，确实都太软。也在寻找鞋子中，喜欢kayano的感觉，有相似的
: 中性鞋么？
| o*******r
发帖数: 4921 | 7 嫌他们软就直接上racing flat吧。
Kayano这种鞋除了帮你崴脚没什么用处。
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: 两个都不喜欢，试过了，确实都太软。也在寻找鞋子中，喜欢kayano的感觉，有相似的
: 中性鞋么？
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 8 其实也不能这么说，我还是不排斥stability的鞋，鞋这东西
穿着舒服就好。 如果跑姿不好怪鞋子其实没啥必要。。
我上次cruise碰到个MM，就是穿的Kayano,穿好几年了，我看
她的鞋底，前掌全磨没了，后跟还好好的，显然是用的forefoot
landing...
【在 o*******r 的大作中提到】
: 嫌他们软就直接上racing flat吧。
: Kayano这种鞋除了帮你崴脚没什么用处。
| w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 9 I know lap tests that showed thick heel cushion increases the impact for forefoot runners. just because
someone can run in certain shoes doesn't mean those shoes are good. For example, I once thought cumulus
and kinvara were good, but they are not. The only reason I thought they were good is because at the time I
wasn't injured wearing them.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 其实也不能这么说，我还是不排斥stability的鞋，鞋这东西
: 穿着舒服就好。 如果跑姿不好怪鞋子其实没啥必要。。
: 我上次cruise碰到个MM，就是穿的Kayano,穿好几年了，我看
: 她的鞋底，前掌全磨没了，后跟还好好的，显然是用的forefoot
: landing...
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 10 但是你的情况也是个个例，right? 其实neutral鞋和stability鞋的
heel to toe drop的差别并没有那么大， neutral鞋的鞋跟也有很厚
的cushion, 过于夸大stability鞋的危害我觉得没有必要。。
实际上不管跑版内外，穿stability鞋的人都不少，跑姿不对其实跟鞋
并没有太大关系。。睡袋穿的GTS也是stability,穿着跑了2000迈了。。
forefoot runners. just because
example, I once thought cumulus
were good is because at the time I
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I know lap tests that showed thick heel cushion increases the impact for forefoot runners. just because
: someone can run in certain shoes doesn't mean those shoes are good. For example, I once thought cumulus
: and kinvara were good, but they are not. The only reason I thought they were good is because at the time I
: wasn't injured wearing them.
| w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 11 it's more complicated than just heel-to-toe drop. kinvara has very low heel-
to-toe drop. but its problem is that the mid section is too thick. from
discussions on other running forums, I'm not the only one who had worse shin
splints problems wearing kinvara.
Let me draw a comparison between MT101 and Kinvara. Around the same period
of time, I wore MT101 in a 50-mile race, a 45-mile run/hike, a 5K race,
tempo runs, and a relay race. I ran Kinvaras in easy runs, sometimes doubles
. My running form isn't any different wearing the two shoes. Well, after
running in Kinvara, my right shin hurt. After running in MT101, my shin didn
't hurt. Now that I've abandoned Kinvara, my shin has 100% recovered.
I did wear Kinvara in the 50K and Boston marathon earlier this year. I was
okay then, but it doesn't mean that Kinvara is good. I think I just wasn't
injured YET at the time.
The lap test I was referring to was conducted by Daniel Lieberman on other
runners. I didn't participate in it.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: 但是你的情况也是个个例，right? 其实neutral鞋和stability鞋的
: heel to toe drop的差别并没有那么大， neutral鞋的鞋跟也有很厚
: 的cushion, 过于夸大stability鞋的危害我觉得没有必要。。
: 实际上不管跑版内外，穿stability鞋的人都不少，跑姿不对其实跟鞋
: 并没有太大关系。。睡袋穿的GTS也是stability,穿着跑了2000迈了。。
:
: forefoot runners. just because
: example, I once thought cumulus
: were good is because at the time I
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 12 so now your point is all running shoes are not good,
except minimalist shoes?
heel-
shin
doubles
didn
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: it's more complicated than just heel-to-toe drop. kinvara has very low heel-
: to-toe drop. but its problem is that the mid section is too thick. from
: discussions on other running forums, I'm not the only one who had worse shin
: splints problems wearing kinvara.
: Let me draw a comparison between MT101 and Kinvara. Around the same period
: of time, I wore MT101 in a 50-mile race, a 45-mile run/hike, a 5K race,
: tempo runs, and a relay race. I ran Kinvaras in easy runs, sometimes doubles
: . My running form isn't any different wearing the two shoes. Well, after
: running in Kinvara, my right shin hurt. After running in MT101, my shin didn
: 't hurt. Now that I've abandoned Kinvara, my shin has 100% recovered.
| w****1
发帖数: 4931 | 13 I'd say that MT101 is not quite a minimalist running shoe. Kinvara, on the
other hand, is advertised as a minimalist shoe, but it actually isn't. All I
can say is that MT101 is so far the perfect running shoe for me, and
Kinvara is bad for me. I don't have clear evidence against other shoes,
since I have not compared them running at the same mileage and intensity.
But there are definitely good and bad shoes for a given person at a given
time.
【在 R*****s 的大作中提到】
: so now your point is all running shoes are not good,
: except minimalist shoes?
:
: heel-
: shin
: doubles
: didn
| R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 14 Well, for me, shoes are not a real big concern now, except
the shoes for racing...I can wear any shoes for training..
One thing I want to say is ppl need very strong leg muscle to
wear the minimalist shoes or do barefoot running, and need
to take it very slowly. Otherwise, the injury possibility is
no less than wearing the normal running shoes..
I
【在 w****1 的大作中提到】
: I'd say that MT101 is not quite a minimalist running shoe. Kinvara, on the
: other hand, is advertised as a minimalist shoe, but it actually isn't. All I
: can say is that MT101 is so far the perfect running shoe for me, and
: Kinvara is bad for me. I don't have clear evidence against other shoes,
: since I have not compared them running at the same mileage and intensity.
: But there are definitely good and bad shoes for a given person at a given
: time.
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