j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: Working
标 题: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 30 12:01:02 2013, 美东)
这个姜波事件几乎又是一个李文和事件的翻版。政府高官高调点名， 媒体跟风造势，
FBI设置陷阱借口抓人, 美国民众人人喊打。 美国对华人的歧视已经到了歇斯底里的程
度。
表面上，姜波在NASA工作, 敏感程度高容易被看上。实际任何在技术领域工作的华人都
一样有风险， 几乎任何现在科技都可以被描述成敏感技术。
华人可以有几个选择：
1. 啥都不做。闷头管好自己的一亩三分地。 希望自己和后代运气好点，不要碰彩了。
Chinese spy 永远成为媒体，公众随意挂到嘴边的歧视语。任何时候FBI都可以因为华
人面孔问你问题，然后抓住漏洞告你lie to federal officer.
2. 联合起来抗争不公平待遇，互相帮助。向黑人学习：抗争到媒体在报道黑人犯罪的
时候都不敢提黑人一字。
我自己愿意选择2，其他华人被害的时候自己不帮，万一落到我头上，我儿子头上，哪
个能帮！？
然后想自己能做啥。我想有两步，第一步让姜波得到公正审判，这是近期目标， 第二
步控告国会议员和相关点火的几个媒体。这是让美国公众和媒体知道，诬告华裔和诬告
黑人一样有代价。
美国的好处是司法独立。这次姜波能被保释出来就是最后这道司法独立的关卡的作用。
美国的主要规则就是金钱游戏，打官事需要钱，看报道姜波用的是法庭指定的律师，
没有时间金钱雇佣自己的律师。告议员和媒体也需要钱，我感觉除了直接受害者，华人
组织也可以出面抗议甚至file class suit.
我自己开个头说我自己的捐款意向：$1000
其他愿意抗争的可以回复一个数字。这只是一个捐款意向，随时可以退出。
我等几天看回帖数：如果人数多，数额多的话，再一起计划下一步：比如和姜波家人联
系，把捐款意向变成实际捐款给他的家人。如果同样想法的同胞不多，数额少，就没有
下一步。 |
m****t
发帖数: 91 | 2 I will donate $100. He need to get a good lawyer.
How many of you have accidentally had some company data in your personal
devices? If you have ever had such situations, it's very likely that you
have violated your company policy and probably some laws. AFAIK, many
employee (not just Chinese employee) have violated this unintentionally. In
many cases, this violation is on the borderline and many companies won't
care or charge such violations.
But if one day Chinese employee are singled out and are treated specially
for such unintentionally violations, will you be happy? I don't know
whether he unintentionally or intentionally violated the law, but the trend
is worrisome. So I decide to speak out and donate the money.
Advice for all IT workers, understand your company policy and be very
careful about how to handle company data.
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 30 12:01:02 2013, 美东)
: 这个姜波事件几乎又是一个李文和事件的翻版。政府高官高调点名， 媒体跟风造势，
: FBI设置陷阱借口抓人, 美国民众人人喊打。 美国对华人的歧视已经到了歇斯底里的程
: 度。
: 表面上，姜波在NASA工作, 敏感程度高容易被看上。实际任何在技术领域工作的华人都
: 一样有风险， 几乎任何现在科技都可以被描述成敏感技术。
: 华人可以有几个选择：
|
m****t
发帖数: 91 | 3 Thanks for speaking out and taking the initiatives.
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 30 12:01:02 2013, 美东)
: 这个姜波事件几乎又是一个李文和事件的翻版。政府高官高调点名， 媒体跟风造势，
: FBI设置陷阱借口抓人, 美国民众人人喊打。 美国对华人的歧视已经到了歇斯底里的程
: 度。
: 表面上，姜波在NASA工作, 敏感程度高容易被看上。实际任何在技术领域工作的华人都
: 一样有风险， 几乎任何现在科技都可以被描述成敏感技术。
: 华人可以有几个选择：
|
m****t
发帖数: 91 | 4 Just read this post: 欧美人没有把握大方向的能力
It's very ironic to see it is reposted to this section. Maybe the guy
should repost it as 华人没有把握大方向的能力.
I believe people visiting this website can be classified as elite Chinese.
Look at what topics draw most of the replies and reviews.
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Working 讨论区 】
: 发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: Working
: 标 题: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Mar 30 12:01:02 2013, 美东)
: 这个姜波事件几乎又是一个李文和事件的翻版。政府高官高调点名， 媒体跟风造势，
: FBI设置陷阱借口抓人, 美国民众人人喊打。 美国对华人的歧视已经到了歇斯底里的程
: 度。
: 表面上，姜波在NASA工作, 敏感程度高容易被看上。实际任何在技术领域工作的华人都
: 一样有风险， 几乎任何现在科技都可以被描述成敏感技术。
: 华人可以有几个选择：
|
j****7
发帖数: 667 | 5 救急不救穷。Chinese need to learn collective bargain benefits. Also you don'
t beg for justice. You need to fight for it or pay for it.
I ll donate 100 dollars.
When I was in hectic situation I also got a lot of help from many people.
Someone who can contact him and set up the account? |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 6 Update for donation pledges so far:
joyjoy $1,000
joe777 $100
mmoott $100
I will wait for a few days before I try to contact Jiang or his family.
I looked up the court-appointed attorney for Bo Jiang,
He may be the person listed as
https://www.linkedin.com/pub/fernando-groene/35/325/5a1
The good side is that this attorney seems to be experienced as a prosecutor
before. He now practices as a private criminal defense lawyer.
Partner
Fernando Groene, P.C.
April 2011 – Present (2 years)
General practice of law. Criminal defense in federal and state courts.
Assistant United States Attorney
US Department of Justice
June 1991 – March 2011 (19 years 10 months)
Conducted investigations and prosecutions of complex federal crimes
committed by individuals and organizations. Created task forces recognized
by the Attorney General for effective reduction of violent crime and
firearms trafficking. Forged lasting relationships among federal, state and
local law enforcement agencies and the local community. Represented the US
in 12 Latin American countries providing legal assistance and Rule of Law
training to judges, prosecutors and police in host countries; including
serving as Resident Legal Advisor to Colombia and Nicaragua. Possesses
intimate, native knowledge and understanding of the region, culture and
language.
Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney
Arlington Commonwealth Attorney's Office
November 1986 – June 1991 (4 years 8 months)
Investigated and prosecuted state and local violent, white collar crimes and
violent offenses. First Hispanic to work in this office. Designated as
Special Assistant US Attorney.
Trial Attorney, Civil Rights Division
Department of Justice
August 1984 – November 1986 (2 years 4 months)
Served under the Attorney General's Honor Law Graduate Program. Worked in
the Voting Section enforcing federal election laws and protecting the right
to vote of minority United States citizens. |
v******r
发帖数: 69 | 7 I may put in $300. Don't know much about this case though other than this
post, so my pledge amount could go up or down. |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 8 Update again now:
----------------------
ID intented amount
joyjoy 1000
joe777 100
mmoott 100
choudo 100
backtou 50
OverCloud ??
maomaoxiong ??
westxi ??
volleyer 300
motherboard 100
sum 1750
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FAQ so far:
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Question:
发信人: OverCloud (天马行空), 信区: JobHunting
标 题: Re: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 31 12:49:02 2013, 美东)
如果捐款过程透明，我愿意捐。
发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: JobHunting
标 题: Re: 发帖看看多少人愿意给姜波捐款打官司 (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 31 23:41:54 2013, 美东)
全透明。0 overhead unless charged by financial institutes.
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Question
Answer:
我所了解的政府态度:
“odu的学生会已经联系过大使馆，收到的指示是不要声张，也不要接受采访，不要和
国内人说，按美国法律办。”
在美国呆过几年的中国人都知道中国政府在美国媒体，民众心里的地位。
政府做政府的，我民间个人做我能做的。As simple as that. |
c**e
发帖数: 5555 | 9 100刀没问题吧，如果他父母有困难，并且有可靠的人帮助组织的，多捐一些也可以。
通过合法途径支持同族裔，提高找茬儿的成本，对于绝大多数中国人都是有意义的。 |
w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 10 If you are really interested in organizing this, a couple of suggestions:
1. contact the person who organized EB3 lawsuit donation might help. I
vaguely remember donation to a lawsuit is not the same as donation to a
charity and shouldn't be handled the same way.
2. I am not sure Mitbbs is a right place for it for organization. It is a
commercial website with its own agenda and might complicate things. The best
use of mitbbs would be you set up shop somewhere else and just update
progress here.
Someone other than Jiang's family will have to use his real identity to
organize this. It takes a lot of courage and there might be unforeseen
consequences. |
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c********r
发帖数: 562 | |
b*********s
发帖数: 3863 | 12 me $100+
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: Update again now:
: ----------------------
: ID intented amount
: joyjoy 1000
: joe777 100
: mmoott 100
: choudo 100
: backtou 50
: OverCloud ??
: maomaoxiong ??
|
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 13 谢谢您的建议。 我会找找EB3 lawsuit的那些前辈看如何操作下去。
best
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】
: If you are really interested in organizing this, a couple of suggestions:
: 1. contact the person who organized EB3 lawsuit donation might help. I
: vaguely remember donation to a lawsuit is not the same as donation to a
: charity and shouldn't be handled the same way.
: 2. I am not sure Mitbbs is a right place for it for organization. It is a
: commercial website with its own agenda and might complicate things. The best
: use of mitbbs would be you set up shop somewhere else and just update
: progress here.
: Someone other than Jiang's family will have to use his real identity to
: organize this. It takes a lot of courage and there might be unforeseen
|
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 14 Update today:
------------ Donor side------------------------
ID intended amount
joyjoy 1000
joe777 100
mmoott 100
choudo 100
backtou 50
OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
westxi count me in
volleyer 300
motherboard 100
cau123 50
cise 100
betwfingers 100
chemmaster 100
sum 1950
------------ beneficiary side----------
I have sent out the following questions to Jiang's friend @ this bbs.
XXX,
Before I can ask my donors to hand over money.
Could you please check with Jiang and his family to answer?
1. What are the needs and amounts for the donations?
I guess there are legal and living expenses associated.
Can you provide an itemized expenses and rough estimation?
2. Can the recipient(s) show the money will be used as intended and properly?
Receipts are the best. Privacy information can be blacked out.
3. Can the recipients(s) publicize the total amount of donations received so
far as the progress goes?
Sorry for those questions. But I expect there will be a long process to help
Jiang. Having a transparent process can help me solicit more support for
him.
------------------------- |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 15 Update today:
---------- donation intentions--------------
ID intended amount
joyjoy 1000
joe777 100
mmoott 100
choudo 100
backtou 50
OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
westxi count me in
volleyer 300
motherboard 100
cau123 50
cise 100
betwfingers 100
chemmaster 100
forester8 200
chaoz 50
sum 2550
Let me know if I missed anybody or any numbers.
------------Beneficiary side----------------
I have received latest information from a volunteer who is close to Jiang's
family.
* 目前的捐款仅仅是从熟人以及熟人的朋友那边朋友筹到的大概3000多
* 目前除了他妈妈的生活费用和支付他在监狱的一些费用（电话费，买被子之类的）外，
没有其他开销。
* 大家都不知道这下一步怎么办，只能配合公辩律师的工作，这种可能会拖上很长
一段时间，后面也许真的连生活都困难，
* 但他妈妈的签证六月会到期，能不能在这常呆还是个问题，所以只好走一步看一步呢。
As a result, I will not ask donors to give money for now until the expenses
are clear. I will keep watching the progress of this case and keep those who
care in the loop. |
h******n
发帖数: 92 | 16 100 $
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: Update today:
: ---------- donation intentions--------------
: ID intended amount
: joyjoy 1000
: joe777 100
: mmoott 100
: choudo 100
: backtou 50
: OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
: maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
|
t**e
发帖数: 1805 | 17 如果您准备搞大，目标在50万美元以上，我乐意捐$1，000。这种50，100半死不活的，
帮不了忙，成不了气候。
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: Update today:
: ---------- donation intentions--------------
: ID intended amount
: joyjoy 1000
: joe777 100
: mmoott 100
: choudo 100
: backtou 50
: OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
: maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
|
k*******s
发帖数: 214 | 18 支持，搞大点规模，$1000+
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: Update today:
: ---------- donation intentions--------------
: ID intended amount
: joyjoy 1000
: joe777 100
: mmoott 100
: choudo 100
: backtou 50
: OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
: maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
|
d****m
发帖数: 489 | 19 我愿意捐100，给他找个好律师，得到公正的审判。 |
p**m
发帖数: 3876 | |
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j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 21 chicken-egg issue.
Let's see the intentions first.
BTW, 500,000 can be accumulated from numerous 50, 100, or 1000.
【在 t**e 的大作中提到】
: 如果您准备搞大，目标在50万美元以上，我乐意捐$1，000。这种50，100半死不活的，
: 帮不了忙，成不了气候。
|
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 22 update today.
ID intended amount
joyjoy 1000
joe777 100
mmoott 100
choudo 100
backtou 50
OverCloud 200 contingent on transparency
maomaoxiong contingent on transparency
westxi count me in
volleyer 300
motherboard 100
cau123 50
cise 100
betwfingers 100
chemmaster 100
forester8 200
chaoz 50
dodomm 100
keytoiris 1000
handyman 100
zhenyonggan 50
sum 3800 |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 23 Update today.
There is a dedicated blog to keep track this case and collect relevant
information:
http://bojiangwatch.blogspot.com/
It accepts new articles or information, even anonymously. |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 24 Update today for this one-person fight so far.
A new blog post:
http://bojiangwatch.blogspot.com/2013/04/another-chinese-espion |
j**h
发帖数: 1230 | |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 26 Update today:
昨天和一位当地志愿者通了电话，他们还没有什么具体方案。
我很早就提了很多建议，比如建个mailing list 大家讨论办法, 分配任务，发动
online petition要求停止迫害, 等等但是没有人愿意follow。
老实说我比较失望。我最大的感觉是他们事事都想让江妈妈做决定，但是江妈妈一个外
国人，并不了解美国国情。
听他们的口气，一方面不信任法庭指定的律师，怕在选jury的时候放水无间道，另一方
面做啥都又想征同律师建议。国会议员和媒体张口污蔑中国人的时候有没有征询任何律
师！？ 黑人，墨西哥人发表自己的大声抗议的时候问律师没有！？
无所谓了，我远程的人只能在网上吆喝,干着急。没人follow，我就一个人一件件的事
情办。
要集合一群中国人干事，难啊！
最新捐款意向：
ID intended amount
joyjoy 1000
joe777 100
mmoott 100
choudo 100
backtou 50
OverCloud 200
maomaoxiong
westxi
volleyer 300
motherboard 100
cau123 50
cise 100
betwfingers 100
chemmaster 100
forester8 200
chaoz 50
dodomm 100
keytoiris 1000
handyman 100
zhenyonggan 50
jimh 200
RockLee0930 300
FireRock 100
sum 4400 |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | |
j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 28 又是一个周末了，志愿干了些事情，Update again
1. 征得姜波家人同意，起草一个online petition: Release Dr. Bo Jiang and Stop
Racial profiling Chinese Spy， 然后突然说案情有重大突破，希望暂时不要公布这
封信以免“给控方压力”。 我苦笑一生，控方压力？自己的人被关在监狱居然还关心
控方的压力？典型的阿Q思维。 没法，暂时放下这封petition letter.
2. 翻译Know your rights。 已经有第一个中文版了，但是翻译还不够精确，正在和
一个助手过第二遍。翻译的过程中还是学到不少如何面对执法人员的知识。自己知道如
何最大程度的保护自己。至少不会傻到开口被控“lying to federal officers”
这个翻译工作的样本（sample）在
http://bojiangwatch.blogspot.com/2013/04/chinese-translation-of
....
Q: Can I call my consulate if I am arrested?
A: Yes. Non-citizens arrested in the U.S. have the right to call their
consulate or to have the law enforcement officer tell the consulate of your
arrest. Law enforcement must let your consulate visit or speak with you if
consular officials decide to do so. Your consulate might help you find a
lawyer or offer other help.
问：如果我被逮捕，我可以给我的领事官打电话吗？
答：是的，可以。在美国被捕的非公民身份人士有权给他们的领事官打电话或请执法人
员就你被捕的情况通知你的领事官。如果领事官员决定去看你或和你通话，执法人员必
须允许他们这样做。你的领事官也许会帮你找律师或提供帮助。
Q: Can law enforcement officers search my laptop files? If they do, can
they make copies of the files, or information from my address book, papers,
or cell phone contacts?
A: This issue is contested right now. Generally, law enforcement officers
can search your laptop files and make copies of information contained in the
files. If such a search occurs, you should write down the name, badge
number, and agency of the person who conducted the search. You should also
file a complaint with that agency.
问：执法人员可以搜查我的电脑文件吗？如果他们搜查了我的电脑文件，他们可以拷贝
我的电脑文件，或我的地址薄，文件中的信息或手机联系人信息吗？
答：此问题目前正在争论中。通常，一般来讲，执法工作人员可以搜查你的电脑文件并
拷贝文件中所含信息。如果此类搜查发生的话，你应记下实施搜查的人员的姓名，佩戴
徽章的号码，所在机构。你也应该向那个机构进行投诉。 |
l******l
发帖数: 2651 | 29 Orrick at Menlo Park有位律师帮打赢了在美正式起诉的第一例商业间谍案。就是那个
华人芯片设计师，因为老婆想阻止老公海归，向FBI"告密"。前后好像耗了五年。最后
屁事没有，settle了。但赔进去一屁股钱。老婆赢了，老公不能随便出境，家保住了。
这种浑水俺不敢趟。
杯水车薪。不知道这些捐款够付几个小时的律师费。
Stop
【在 j****y 的大作中提到】
: 又是一个周末了，志愿干了些事情，Update again
: 1. 征得姜波家人同意，起草一个online petition: Release Dr. Bo Jiang and Stop
: Racial profiling Chinese Spy， 然后突然说案情有重大突破，希望暂时不要公布这
: 封信以免“给控方压力”。 我苦笑一生，控方压力？自己的人被关在监狱居然还关心
: 控方的压力？典型的阿Q思维。 没法，暂时放下这封petition letter.
: 2. 翻译Know your rights。 已经有第一个中文版了，但是翻译还不够精确，正在和
: 一个助手过第二遍。翻译的过程中还是学到不少如何面对执法人员的知识。自己知道如
: 何最大程度的保护自己。至少不会傻到开口被控“lying to federal officers”
: 这个翻译工作的样本（sample）在
: http://bojiangwatch.blogspot.com/2013/04/chinese-translation-of
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