C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 1 I had lunch with my business partner today, he has two daughters. The elder
one will go to college next year.
Same as me, he is a hardcore supporter of Romney!
He is kindof proud of himself, that he is basically financial free. He said
he already has enough money for his daughters to go to college, and big
savings to make sure his daughters don't need to work a single day of their
life.
His daughter will learn filming and broadcast in college next year.
On voting day, he asked her daughter, who will you vote next year when you
can vote?
"Obama, of course!".
"Why?"
"Because he helps the poor!"
That's the answer he got. He told me, laughing, shaking his head:
"These kids, don't know Obama didn't do a damn thing. It's her DAD helping
the poor, not Obama!".
And she blamed him for supporting Romney at the small political conversation
in the million dollar home bought by his DAD's after TAX money.
And he is Asian, by the way. | b****y
发帖数: 1010 | | f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 3 He has no idea I assume. Or he won't be so ignorant. | o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 4 He probably is not from China.
If the poor ppl can not survive, see what KMT became in China.
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: He has no idea I assume. Or he won't be so ignorant.
| m********g
发帖数: 10469 | 5 中国共产党起家多少人是背叛了自己的阶级和家庭,多少人头落地。结果一轮回，又是
邓矮子的黑猫白猫抓到老鼠的就是好猫。
elder
said
their
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: I had lunch with my business partner today, he has two daughters. The elder
: one will go to college next year.
: Same as me, he is a hardcore supporter of Romney!
: He is kindof proud of himself, that he is basically financial free. He said
: he already has enough money for his daughters to go to college, and big
: savings to make sure his daughters don't need to work a single day of their
: life.
: His daughter will learn filming and broadcast in college next year.
: On voting day, he asked her daughter, who will you vote next year when you
: can vote?
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 6 #5, it's very sad. A lot of sincere revolutionaries really sacrificed
everything, money, love, family, many of them were highly educated people,
for a cause they deemed glorious. Today so called 民运 is nothing but
mostly WSN. | C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 7 That's my point.
When you are so rich, money is not important any more, you support DEM.
When you grow up in a ivory tower, have no idea of money, "Helping the poor"
is so cool, you support DEM.
If you have to work hard to survive, and support your family, who will you
support then?
In China before 1949, so many rich kids join the Communist Party to save the
world, we all know what happened later. And now we understand why the rich
kids support Communist.
【在 b****y 的大作中提到】
: 你知道美国的1号，2号富豪是支持谁的？
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 8 According to your logic, most real rich supported Dem, so you as a marginal
rich support GOP?
And when did you even mention your great point, your post is a few of posts
above? | C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 9 Different people can see different things from the fact.
What I see from the story is:
If you don't have to work to survive, (Super Rich, poor, Rich Kids), you may
support DEM.
If you have to work to survive, most likely, you support GOP.
marginal
posts
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: According to your logic, most real rich supported Dem, so you as a marginal
: rich support GOP?
: And when did you even mention your great point, your post is a few of posts
: above?
| L*******r
发帖数: 8961 | 10 老子是穷人，老子一天到晚上班累个臭死，老子真希望分个大蛋糕，可惜分蛋糕的不是
我，分蛋糕的人只给我一小口，还说我这一小口要多给政府一些。因为如果分到大块的
人要是给了政府一些天就要塌下来了。 | | | Y***a
发帖数: 193 | 11 Jeb Bush, George W’s brother, the other son of former President George H.W.
Bush, the one who was “supposed to be” president, said in a recent
interview that while traditional marriage should be sanctioned by the state,
America desperately needs all forms of families and parenting examples as
long as they can be held up as role models. Bush also made headlines this
morning, slamming the Republican Party, saying today’s GOP would not
welcome his father, or Ronald Reagan. | f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 12 Yes, same fact can have different interpretation, but problem is, you don't
have fact, in social science, fact means statistics, you don't have any
statistics to support, only cherry picking some anecdote to support your
great generalization which is totally wrong. | p**j
发帖数: 7063 | 13 then, after 1949, everyone became super poor and hungry, except Mao.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: He probably is not from China.
: If the poor ppl can not survive, see what KMT became in China.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 14 #13, do you have to lie to support your argument ?
This is USANEWS section, it's not proper to discuss it further here. If you
do have interest, we can continuenot discuss in a proper section or through
email etc. | B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 15 I have to say his daughter has a good vision. Capitalist economy is always
demand-driven, always. Think about it and think hard.
elder
said
their
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: I had lunch with my business partner today, he has two daughters. The elder
: one will go to college next year.
: Same as me, he is a hardcore supporter of Romney!
: He is kindof proud of himself, that he is basically financial free. He said
: he already has enough money for his daughters to go to college, and big
: savings to make sure his daughters don't need to work a single day of their
: life.
: His daughter will learn filming and broadcast in college next year.
: On voting day, he asked her daughter, who will you vote next year when you
: can vote?
| C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 16 When you are a "taker", it's easy to say.
Before he told me about his daughter's political views, I already told him:
"I can imagine your daughter will be hardcore Obama supporter.".
He replied: "Of course".
I can also image, when she grow up, she will believe in "Obama" even more.
As she will feel guilty about spending his DAD's wealth without working,
while other "poor" people has to work so hard for so little.
While she support DEM, those "poor people work so hard for so little" may
support GOP, I told myself.
That's the difference who work and who DOES NOT work, I think. It's also the
difference between the people who has the courage and determination to work
his way through life, and those who does not need to, or does not want to,
or does not dare to, take the responsibilities of life.
I am all for "Help each other", "We are all in this together", but the word
"help" does not mean "rob".
I also talked to a latino girl on voting day, who is a hardcore Obama
supporter while her parents are both GOP (What a coincidence!). Even she
supports Obama, she said something I like: "The rich should take more
responsibilities for the society. But we should not punish them. The way we
are pushing it today, is like punishing (the rich), not ASKING for help!".
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: I have to say his daughter has a good vision. Capitalist economy is always
: demand-driven, always. Think about it and think hard.
:
: elder
: said
: their
| b****y
发帖数: 1010 | 17 我支持ron paul. 可惜GOP不会让他过初选的。
要说帮助穷人。我不觉得每年出几百块给穷人是个大不了的事。
我已经说了， 每年出500， 搞全民医保，我同意。反正我每年正常也要捐几百块。
超过1000， 我就要哼哼唧唧了。
poor"
the
rich
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: That's my point.
: When you are so rich, money is not important any more, you support DEM.
: When you grow up in a ivory tower, have no idea of money, "Helping the poor"
: is so cool, you support DEM.
: If you have to work hard to survive, and support your family, who will you
: support then?
: In China before 1949, so many rich kids join the Communist Party to save the
: world, we all know what happened later. And now we understand why the rich
: kids support Communist.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 18 Lz, When did GOP become 劳动党， are 共和党 same as 共产党？ How far this
is
further from truth, just amazing. | B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 19 You are a taker, OK. You take what others have accomplished. They, as a
group, not individuals, deserve more than what they get paid. As a business
owner, you know that. You don't pay people according to what they have done,
you pay them with the minimum wage with which you can find a replacement.
Save your time.
the
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: When you are a "taker", it's easy to say.
: Before he told me about his daughter's political views, I already told him:
: "I can imagine your daughter will be hardcore Obama supporter.".
: He replied: "Of course".
: I can also image, when she grow up, she will believe in "Obama" even more.
: As she will feel guilty about spending his DAD's wealth without working,
: while other "poor" people has to work so hard for so little.
: While she support DEM, those "poor people work so hard for so little" may
: support GOP, I told myself.
: That's the difference who work and who DOES NOT work, I think. It's also the
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 20
You are apparently not thinking. Every fool off the street knows
how to demand things. It's those who are willing to work hard to
produce that supply what people desire.
A nation that redistributes what these hard working people have
earned to give it to those who refuse to work it bound to fail.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: I have to say his daughter has a good vision. Capitalist economy is always
: demand-driven, always. Think about it and think hard.
:
: elder
: said
: their
| | | d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 21 他俩闺女４０岁以后会是harder core gop
elder
said
their
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: I had lunch with my business partner today, he has two daughters. The elder
: one will go to college next year.
: Same as me, he is a hardcore supporter of Romney!
: He is kindof proud of himself, that he is basically financial free. He said
: he already has enough money for his daughters to go to college, and big
: savings to make sure his daughters don't need to work a single day of their
: life.
: His daughter will learn filming and broadcast in college next year.
: On voting day, he asked her daughter, who will you vote next year when you
: can vote?
| B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 22 Go and learn some econ 101, do you know what demand mean in economics?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You are apparently not thinking. Every fool off the street knows
: how to demand things. It's those who are willing to work hard to
: produce that supply what people desire.
: A nation that redistributes what these hard working people have
: earned to give it to those who refuse to work it bound to fail.
| C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 23 This is exactly the mentality I am afraid of.
Glad to know!
When I work in China, or work on my H1B visa, or work even after I got my
green card, I always feel grateful of my boss. I thank him for giving me the
opportunity to work for him, and learn from him. I admire him, I told him
that someday I would be like him. He even help me more.
I never thought he was the taker. I always thought he was the giver, and
helped us all. Because the truth are, there're so many people looking for a
job, we are lucky to have one. I worked hard to prove him I am good worker,
and he gave me a raise.
Maybe that is the reason I am like him today.
business
done,
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: You are a taker, OK. You take what others have accomplished. They, as a
: group, not individuals, deserve more than what they get paid. As a business
: owner, you know that. You don't pay people according to what they have done,
: you pay them with the minimum wage with which you can find a replacement.
: Save your time.
:
: the
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 24 u work and supply then demand, then there is a balance to work out.
美国现在的问题本来就是supply的问题， 靠绿纸从经济殖民地换取supply， 几个
imbalance里面， trade deficit才是根结， 至少是美国经济竞争力下降的根结。
美国不断的outsource, 对于employers来说， 他们还觉得在美国招工不容易呢， 要
不没skill, 要不不肯work hard
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Go and learn some econ 101, do you know what demand mean in economics?
| B**W
发帖数: 2273 | 25 Man, you can not think the big picture. At the individual level, every
worker appreciates his boss for giving him a job. But collectively, that
does not change the fact that workers are under paid. Just as not a single
person says Romney is a bad person or even a bad business man, but as a
president candidate, he does not have the vision that a president should
have. And Romney showed that kind of short-sighted business smartness. Think
big, think systematically.
the
a
,
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: This is exactly the mentality I am afraid of.
: Glad to know!
: When I work in China, or work on my H1B visa, or work even after I got my
: green card, I always feel grateful of my boss. I thank him for giving me the
: opportunity to work for him, and learn from him. I admire him, I told him
: that someday I would be like him. He even help me more.
: I never thought he was the taker. I always thought he was the giver, and
: helped us all. Because the truth are, there're so many people looking for a
: job, we are lucky to have one. I worked hard to prove him I am good worker,
: and he gave me a raise.
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 26
I have read your posts before and found it to be mostly nonsense.
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Go and learn some econ 101, do you know what demand mean in economics?
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 27 1 sentence, u need to work harder to save america, not print harder.
你印再多绿纸， 再提高demand, ４年下来美国的经济危机is getting deeper
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: u work and supply then demand, then there is a balance to work out.
: 美国现在的问题本来就是supply的问题， 靠绿纸从经济殖民地换取supply， 几个
: imbalance里面， trade deficit才是根结， 至少是美国经济竞争力下降的根结。
: 美国不断的outsource, 对于employers来说， 他们还觉得在美国招工不容易呢， 要
: 不没skill, 要不不肯work hard
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 28 Lz, is your former boss your relative or what,? If you can't make profit for
him, will he keep your job? Your logic always has problem, by the same
token, if you were a slave, you would say " I always feel grateful of my
slave master, I thank him for giving me the
opportunity to work for him, and learn from him. I admire him, I told him
that someday I would be like slave master . He even help me more"
This is called mutual social contract, both of you are equal status. This is
fundamental bourgeois revolution belief. As matter of fact, of course what
you got is less what your boss got. Same thing here, you got more than your
employee's take in sum. You aren't stupid to do thing other way around, do
you. So you are a taker in final analysis. | C****n
发帖数: 2324 | 29 This is too far with my original point in my post. But what can I say, we
have different mentality.
for
is
what
your
do
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: Lz, is your former boss your relative or what,? If you can't make profit for
: him, will he keep your job? Your logic always has problem, by the same
: token, if you were a slave, you would say " I always feel grateful of my
: slave master, I thank him for giving me the
: opportunity to work for him, and learn from him. I admire him, I told him
: that someday I would be like slave master . He even help me more"
: This is called mutual social contract, both of you are equal status. This is
: fundamental bourgeois revolution belief. As matter of fact, of course what
: you got is less what your boss got. Same thing here, you got more than your
: employee's take in sum. You aren't stupid to do thing other way around, do
| B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 30 Econ 101 tells you the key to long-term macroeconomic growth is investment
and innovation. You can check any introductory macroeconomic textbook used
in the U.S..
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Go and learn some econ 101, do you know what demand mean in economics?
| | | B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 31 You forgot one thing. The boss is obviously paying the employee competitive
wage, but the employee, by working for this boss, is also investing in his
human capital. There are gains to both sides.
for
is
what
your
do
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: Lz, is your former boss your relative or what,? If you can't make profit for
: him, will he keep your job? Your logic always has problem, by the same
: token, if you were a slave, you would say " I always feel grateful of my
: slave master, I thank him for giving me the
: opportunity to work for him, and learn from him. I admire him, I told him
: that someday I would be like slave master . He even help me more"
: This is called mutual social contract, both of you are equal status. This is
: fundamental bourgeois revolution belief. As matter of fact, of course what
: you got is less what your boss got. Same thing here, you got more than your
: employee's take in sum. You aren't stupid to do thing other way around, do
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 32 生产力进步offset贫富分化， or a revolution
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Econ 101 tells you the key to long-term macroeconomic growth is investment
: and innovation. You can check any introductory macroeconomic textbook used
: in the U.S..
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 33
Well said. Every jackass is capable of demanding things. It's those
who could produce sth valuable and then exchange their productive
output with other producers that not only fulfill their own demand
but that of someone else.
Economy runs on supply, not clueless demand nonsense.
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 1 sentence, u need to work harder to save america, not print harder.
: 你印再多绿纸， 再提高demand, ４年下来美国的经济危机is getting deeper
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 34 实际上， 贫富分化只有一个解决办法， 就是revolution.
任何reform都是起个缓解矛盾， 争取时间的效果。
只有靠新科技， 生产力的进步offset已有的贫富分化， 就如IT创造出无数的新贵，
才能不断的回避revolution or wars， 使社会平稳进步。 DEM中很多势力确实对
科技进步尤其基础科学帮助很大的， 但是科技的发展需要工农劳动的基础， 也要靠
工农劳动转化为生产力。
就像aapl， 广义说也算得科技发展进步， 带来的新生产力都给了富士康。 美国能
不going down吗？ 简单的堵outsource是堵不住的， 李登辉也堵不住， 只有force
americans work harder.
有钱人的毛， 真以为几个穷鬼就能拔下来， 选上去的也是个有钱人或者傀儡， 连
共产党都代表不了穷苦大众， 还民主党呢
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Well said. Every jackass is capable of demanding things. It's those
: who could produce sth valuable and then exchange their productive
: output with other producers that not only fulfill their own demand
: but that of someone else.
: Economy runs on supply, not clueless demand nonsense.
| f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | 35 #31, "human capital.", very good term, isn't it? For your guys, human is
living cash, living capital, a cold , hard cash in form of biology body.
If you don't take net gain, will you keep your employees? I don't blame you
for this, because while you certainly are greedy, you are still fighting for
your own survivor, unless you are among top 0.01 percent, so to speak.
How to decide if you are top 0.001 percent, it's easy, do you buy any
insurance at all? If you buy one or more, bad news is you are disqualifed in
that category and you, just like any other little guys, rely on other guys'
money to support your urgent, maybe enormous bill which can just bankrupt
your small wealth. | g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 36 我上次就说了，劳工根本没有underpaid。因为他们那工资，旱涝保收。而资本家take
risk, 平时挣的多，到赔的时候，根本没有员工出来愿意少拿工资。
你要公平，就资本家拿钱，劳工出力，joint venture。要赚一起赚，要赔一起赔。
Think
【在 B**W 的大作中提到】
: Man, you can not think the big picture. At the individual level, every
: worker appreciates his boss for giving him a job. But collectively, that
: does not change the fact that workers are under paid. Just as not a single
: person says Romney is a bad person or even a bad business man, but as a
: president candidate, he does not have the vision that a president should
: have. And Romney showed that kind of short-sighted business smartness. Think
: big, think systematically.
:
: the
: a
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 37 当然是underpaid, 但是因为竞争的存在， 最后经济上就会balance到劳工经济上能争
取到的最大利益。
这个世界没什么平等。
美国劳工再追求full paid interest, 再追求平等， 那就真的一个工作都剩不下了。
UAW就是前车之鉴。
每个系统都有其内部自我的平衡之道
take
【在 g***y 的大作中提到】
: 我上次就说了，劳工根本没有underpaid。因为他们那工资，旱涝保收。而资本家take
: risk, 平时挣的多，到赔的时候，根本没有员工出来愿意少拿工资。
: 你要公平，就资本家拿钱，劳工出力，joint venture。要赚一起赚，要赔一起赔。
:
: Think
| S******4
发帖数: 2865 | 38 Romney grows up in ivory tower, hides his money in Cayman Islands, pays less
than 13% tax rate.
And yet he still want more tax cuts for his income level.
Greed is bottomless.
Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are exceptional human beings. Most rich people
are immoral scums like Romney and Koch Brothers and Sheldon Aderlson. (I am
pretty sure you don't know who Aderlson is.)
poor"
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: That's my point.
: When you are so rich, money is not important any more, you support DEM.
: When you grow up in a ivory tower, have no idea of money, "Helping the poor"
: is so cool, you support DEM.
: If you have to work hard to survive, and support your family, who will you
: support then?
: In China before 1949, so many rich kids join the Communist Party to save the
: world, we all know what happened later. And now we understand why the rich
: kids support Communist.
| g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 39 当劳方和资方都充分竞争，就不存在谁是underpaid，谁占谁的便宜。如果劳工不想被
剥削，就自己去开个small business，当老板。It's a fair game。
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 当然是underpaid, 但是因为竞争的存在， 最后经济上就会balance到劳工经济上能争
: 取到的最大利益。
: 这个世界没什么平等。
: 美国劳工再追求full paid interest, 再追求平等， 那就真的一个工作都剩不下了。
: UAW就是前车之鉴。
: 每个系统都有其内部自我的平衡之道
:
: take
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 40 理想的自由市场体系从来没有存在过。
所以social reform的势力存在是有必要的， 但是凡事， 都要有个度。
【在 g***y 的大作中提到】
: 当劳方和资方都充分竞争，就不存在谁是underpaid，谁占谁的便宜。如果劳工不想被
: 剥削，就自己去开个small business，当老板。It's a fair game。
| | | g***y
发帖数: 1268 | 41 Nonsense. 不管穷富，mojority都是同样的greedy，同样的moral level. 这叫人性。
你不喜欢，可以去北韩，或者去火星。
less
people
am
【在 S******4 的大作中提到】
: Romney grows up in ivory tower, hides his money in Cayman Islands, pays less
: than 13% tax rate.
: And yet he still want more tax cuts for his income level.
: Greed is bottomless.
: Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are exceptional human beings. Most rich people
: are immoral scums like Romney and Koch Brothers and Sheldon Aderlson. (I am
: pretty sure you don't know who Aderlson is.)
:
: poor"
| B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 42 Buffet's tax rate is no larger than Romney.
less
people
am
【在 S******4 的大作中提到】
: Romney grows up in ivory tower, hides his money in Cayman Islands, pays less
: than 13% tax rate.
: And yet he still want more tax cuts for his income level.
: Greed is bottomless.
: Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are exceptional human beings. Most rich people
: are immoral scums like Romney and Koch Brothers and Sheldon Aderlson. (I am
: pretty sure you don't know who Aderlson is.)
:
: poor"
| S******4
发帖数: 2865 | 43 And Buffet said he should pay more.
I actually think Romney really missed an opportunity - he should just say
under my plans, I will pay more because I love America. That will get him a
lot of votes and humanize him.
Instead, he continues to be a rich guy who hides money in Cayman Islands,
who wants to cut capital gains tax which will enable him to pay almost no
tax.
You know why Romney is the richest Presidential candidate in US history? You
know why no other rich guy has run before? Because people won't vote for
those people.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: Buffet's tax rate is no larger than Romney.
:
: less
: people
: am
| B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 44 You just do not understand that in most professions, performance becomes
better with more experience and this is the so-called human capital build up
. It is an economic term that has been used for tens of years. Also I do not
understand your logic. Wages are determined by market. The more competitive
the market is, the lower the wage, fair and simple. But the employee can
choose how to develop his or her own human capital. If he or she develops
fairly efficiently, the employer has to either raise the wage or let him or
her go elsewhere.
All of those are driven by fairly simple market principles.
you
for
in
guys'
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: #31, "human capital.", very good term, isn't it? For your guys, human is
: living cash, living capital, a cold , hard cash in form of biology body.
: If you don't take net gain, will you keep your employees? I don't blame you
: for this, because while you certainly are greedy, you are still fighting for
: your own survivor, unless you are among top 0.01 percent, so to speak.
: How to decide if you are top 0.001 percent, it's easy, do you buy any
: insurance at all? If you buy one or more, bad news is you are disqualifed in
: that category and you, just like any other little guys, rely on other guys'
: money to support your urgent, maybe enormous bill which can just bankrupt
: your small wealth.
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 45 yes, he said.
【在 S******4 的大作中提到】
: And Buffet said he should pay more.
: I actually think Romney really missed an opportunity - he should just say
: under my plans, I will pay more because I love America. That will get him a
: lot of votes and humanize him.
: Instead, he continues to be a rich guy who hides money in Cayman Islands,
: who wants to cut capital gains tax which will enable him to pay almost no
: tax.
: You know why Romney is the richest Presidential candidate in US history? You
: know why no other rich guy has run before? Because people won't vote for
: those people.
| B******e
发帖数: 16928 | 46 Then why not pay more? Why not just send a blank check to IRS? Buffet is
more like a 伪君子， which is probably why he is a democrat. Romney is right
in the principle that lower tax rates grows the economy. Too bad too many
black idiots simple do not understand economics.
a
You
【在 S******4 的大作中提到】
: And Buffet said he should pay more.
: I actually think Romney really missed an opportunity - he should just say
: under my plans, I will pay more because I love America. That will get him a
: lot of votes and humanize him.
: Instead, he continues to be a rich guy who hides money in Cayman Islands,
: who wants to cut capital gains tax which will enable him to pay almost no
: tax.
: You know why Romney is the richest Presidential candidate in US history? You
: know why no other rich guy has run before? Because people won't vote for
: those people.
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 47
懒惰还要让国家举债来吃福利是无解的。希腊、阿根廷的今天就是美国的
明天。选疤蟆玩全民健保只会加快这种进程。
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 实际上， 贫富分化只有一个解决办法， 就是revolution.
: 任何reform都是起个缓解矛盾， 争取时间的效果。
: 只有靠新科技， 生产力的进步offset已有的贫富分化， 就如IT创造出无数的新贵，
: 才能不断的回避revolution or wars， 使社会平稳进步。 DEM中很多势力确实对
: 科技进步尤其基础科学帮助很大的， 但是科技的发展需要工农劳动的基础， 也要靠
: 工农劳动转化为生产力。
: 就像aapl， 广义说也算得科技发展进步， 带来的新生产力都给了富士康。 美国能
: 不going down吗？ 简单的堵outsource是堵不住的， 李登辉也堵不住， 只有force
: americans work harder.
: 有钱人的毛， 真以为几个穷鬼就能拔下来， 选上去的也是个有钱人或者傀儡， 连
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 48 希腊在革命的边缘
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 懒惰还要让国家举债来吃福利是无解的。希腊、阿根廷的今天就是美国的
: 明天。选疤蟆玩全民健保只会加快这种进程。
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 49 因为最终， 富人的蛋糕是动不得的。 福利发不下去的时候， 就只能搞
austerities, 把更多的中产逼成无产， 直到无产的势力强大到可以进行revolution.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 懒惰还要让国家举债来吃福利是无解的。希腊、阿根廷的今天就是美国的
: 明天。选疤蟆玩全民健保只会加快这种进程。
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 50
You are so naive to believe in a crook like Buffet. Back then in
2008 when his investment is in trouble Govt took public money to
bail him out. If Buffet really feels he should pay more he could
simply refuse to receive that bailout.
【在 S******4 的大作中提到】
: And Buffet said he should pay more.
: I actually think Romney really missed an opportunity - he should just say
: under my plans, I will pay more because I love America. That will get him a
: lot of votes and humanize him.
: Instead, he continues to be a rich guy who hides money in Cayman Islands,
: who wants to cut capital gains tax which will enable him to pay almost no
: tax.
: You know why Romney is the richest Presidential candidate in US history? You
: know why no other rich guy has run before? Because people won't vote for
: those people.
| | | k****a
发帖数: 7077 | 51 What the fuck are you talking about? You think 75% of the Asians and the
Jews don't need to work for a living?
may
【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: Different people can see different things from the fact.
: What I see from the story is:
: If you don't have to work to survive, (Super Rich, poor, Rich Kids), you may
: support DEM.
: If you have to work to survive, most likely, you support GOP.
:
: marginal
: posts
| d*********2
发帖数: 48111 | 52 buffet说的， 是要给他“这样富”的人加税。 他为啥早不去说？
因为他马上就要退休了，财产也差不多都转移到了BG的fund里去了。
他这两年才开始忧国忧民吗？ 人的investment history可是built in 30+ years的
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You are so naive to believe in a crook like Buffet. Back then in
: 2008 when his investment is in trouble Govt took public money to
: bail him out. If Buffet really feels he should pay more he could
: simply refuse to receive that bailout.
| N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 53
HOHO, 这世上只有被剥削阶级革剥削阶级的命，没有反过来的。这些福利
蛀虫装出来一副可怜兮兮的样子实际上好吃懒做都是剥削阶级，只有被革
的可能。
【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 希腊在革命的边缘
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