l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 1 Washington state weighs first-in-the-nation abortion insurance mandate
In 1970, Washington became the first -- and remains the only -- state in the
country to legalize elective abortions by a popular vote.
A generation later, and 40 years removed from the landmark United States
Supreme Court Roe v. Wade ruling that extended abortion access nationwide,
Washington is once again poised to stand out.
With 21 states having adopted bans or severe restrictions on insurance
companies from paying for abortions, Washington is alone in seriously
considering legislation mandating the opposite.
The Reproductive Parity Act, as supporters call it, would require insurers
in Washington state who cover maternity care -- which all insurers must do -
- to also pay for abortions.
The bill passed the state House earlier this month by a vote of 53-43,
though it faces an uncertain future in the Senate. A similar bill in the New
York state Assembly has been introduced each session for over a decade but
has never received a public hearing.
"This is a core value for Washingtonians," said Melanie Smith, a lobbyist
for NARAL Pro-Choice Washington. "We should protect it while we still have
it and not leave access to basic health care up to an insurance company."
The proximate cause of Washington state's measure is the federal Affordable
Care Act. Thanks to language placed in it to assuage anti-abortion
congressional Democrats, insurers selling their plans on the state exchanges
taking effect next year will have to segregate the premiums they collect
for abortion coverage.
In addition to that built-in disincentive to insuring abortion, the law also
invites states to enact stricter rules of their own. Thus far, 16 states
have followed suit, barring or restricting insurance companies on their
exchanges from covering the procedure. Three of those states are joining the
five that have barred or limited all insurers from covering abortions since
the early 1980's.
Supporters of Washington state's proposed abortion insurance mandate are
careful to stress that it wouldn't lead to a dramatic uptick in abortions or
require carriers with a religious bent to cover the procedure. They also
note that a pair of federal plans that will be sold on all 50 state
exchanges will be barred from covering elective abortions.
"It's not expanding abortion coverage," said Democratic Rep. Eileen Cody of
West Seattle, the bill's primary sponsor. "It's ensuring the rights of women
to get what they're paying for now and to continue their freedom of choice."
Opponents counter that the measure would require businesses and individuals
to pay for abortion coverage they'd rather not have.
"Washington state would be the only state in the country that would force
employers to pay for abortion," said Peggy O'Ban, spokeswoman for Human Life
of Washington.
If passed, she said, it would amount to "the first conscience coercion act
in American history."
Its passage, however, is not assured.
Proponents of the measure say they have the votes they need in the state
Senate, but it's not clear that Senate leaders will allow it to get to the
floor. It is scheduled to receive a public hearing in the Senate Health Care
Committee on April 1.
Ironically, the man bill supporters will likely blame if it fails to get a
Senate vote counts himself as a proud backer of the measure.
Sen. Rodney Tom of Medina, a fiscal conservative and social moderate, and
one other like-minded Democrat crossed party lines to caucus with
Republicans in December, handing a one-vote majority to the GOP. Seizing
power for the first time in nearly a decade, elated Senate Republicans
reciprocated by installing Tom as Majority Leader.
Last month, Tom addressed about 250 advocates rallying for the measure's
passage on the state Capitol steps.
"I'm down here making sure that my 17-year-old daughter has the kind of
protections that we need in Washington state and that all of our kids have
those same kinds of protections," Tom said to cheers.
Moments later, Gov. Jay Inslee, a Democrat and fellow bill supporter,
delivered a not-so-subtle challenge to Tom's political will.
Washington state "deserves a vote in the state Senate on the Reproductive
Parity Act," Inslee said. "We are going to insist that we are not going to
let anybody close the door to democracy in this state."
Another irony: though the bill has proved to be among the most hotly
contested of the session, its broader impact if passed may be less than
sweeping.
For one thing, most abortions are paid for out-of-pocket. According to the
Guttmacher Institute, only 12 percent of abortions nationwide are paid for
by private insurers, with 20 percent footed by Medicaid.
For another, because most abortions cost less than a live birth -- the
procedure typically runs about $500, though late-term abortions are far more
expensive -- insurers may be disinclined to stop covering them.
At present, all major insurers in Washington state cover abortions, and Cody
, the bill's sponsor, said she knows of no carrier with plans to change.
Insurers new to Washington state on its exchange may be tempted to adopt
different policies, she said.
No matter its immediate impact, said Elizabeth Nash, states issues manager
with the Guttmacher Institute, the bill's passage would be a watershed event.
"It would be a model for other states to follow," she said.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/24/washington-state-weighs-first-in-nation-abortion-insurance-mandate/#ixzz2OaPDQogW |
x****o
发帖数: 29677 | |
S***e
发帖数: 957 | 3 这是政府立法要求保险公司付账，不是政府拿钱。所以不会分流食物卷的钱。
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】
: 这个是好事,避孕流产相比生养食物券福利要便宜
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t**********3
发帖数: 12623 | 4 我不反对堕胎，但是这不该是taxpayer funded |
b*******n
发帖数: 8420 | 5 老黑老墨生一堆崽子出来
我看老黑老墨就是星际里面的虫族，爆人口快，智商和科技偏低，只会用个体蛮力，需
要少数高智商的领导者操纵他们，发挥他们体力和数量的优势
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不反对堕胎，但是这不该是taxpayer funded
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j*****v
发帖数: 7717 | 6 现在大量中国产妇借旅游签证赴美生小孩，医院费用一分钱都不用花。
只要会点英文去医院，医院可以从政府拿钱，派义工给免费办medicaid。身边也看到好
几例了。
请大家转告国内亲友，华人壮大就靠她们了 |
c*****g
发帖数: 21627 | 7 re这个
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】
: 这个是好事,避孕流产相比生养食物券福利要便宜
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b*******n
发帖数: 8420 | 8 跨越太平洋比美墨边境扒货车打地洞难得多
更别说土共海关恨不得把所有屁民都锁在国内
【在 j*****v 的大作中提到】
: 现在大量中国产妇借旅游签证赴美生小孩，医院费用一分钱都不用花。
: 只要会点英文去医院，医院可以从政府拿钱，派义工给免费办medicaid。身边也看到好
: 几例了。
: 请大家转告国内亲友，华人壮大就靠她们了
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m********a
发帖数: 1041 | 9 所以Pro-Choice就是我有墮胎的自由, 但請全體保險人幫我付? |
l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 10 ironic, isn't it?
【在 m********a 的大作中提到】
: 所以Pro-Choice就是我有墮胎的自由, 但請全體保險人幫我付?
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m********a
发帖数: 1041 | 11 是啊!
所以我一定要更努力學習英語
學好這種"無理走遍天下"的邏輯!!!
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: ironic, isn't it?
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x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 12
ft，生出来的人少了，可不吃救济拿食物券的就少了
是堕个胎合算，还是生出来一个老黑养到20岁再让他生繁殖下一代同时出去杀人放火核
合算？
我看美国早晚也得计划生育
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 这是政府立法要求保险公司付账，不是政府拿钱。所以不会分流食物卷的钱。
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x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 13
这个私人保险公司付帐，全民买单，比全民多交税给福利，然后政府运作效率要高
反正都要掏钱，或者给他们养孩子，养大了养出一帮流氓罪犯杀人放火
或者现在就给他们绝育堕胎，相比较，我还是选择给他们掏堕胎的钱吧
【在 c*****g 的大作中提到】
: re这个
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x***e
发帖数: 38 | 14 这个要顶。仅有的几个我支持的力薄肉政策了。
在美国的法律和政治体制下，这个可能是唯一能控制人口质量和数量的办法。
the
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Washington state weighs first-in-the-nation abortion insurance mandate
: In 1970, Washington became the first -- and remains the only -- state in the
: country to legalize elective abortions by a popular vote.
: A generation later, and 40 years removed from the landmark United States
: Supreme Court Roe v. Wade ruling that extended abortion access nationwide,
: Washington is once again poised to stand out.
: With 21 states having adopted bans or severe restrictions on insurance
: companies from paying for abortions, Washington is alone in seriously
: considering legislation mandating the opposite.
: The Reproductive Parity Act, as supporters call it, would require insurers
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 15 要有长远眼光
生下来还不是你掏钱
掏的还更多，而且生生不息
【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 我不反对堕胎，但是这不该是taxpayer funded
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 16 感情纳税人还得求着别人用纳税人掏钱的一条龙？
不太同意这种思路。就是这种“如果恶棍们闹事儿，你岂不掏得更多”的思路导致税收
越来越高，还打着替你打折的旗号。
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 要有长远眼光
: 生下来还不是你掏钱
: 掏的还更多，而且生生不息
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l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 17 没错，make it clear: do not fool around my TAX money
【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 感情纳税人还得求着别人用纳税人掏钱的一条龙？
: 不太同意这种思路。就是这种“如果恶棍们闹事儿，你岂不掏得更多”的思路导致税收
: 越来越高，还打着替你打折的旗号。
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x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 18
so what u can do?
【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 感情纳税人还得求着别人用纳税人掏钱的一条龙？
: 不太同意这种思路。就是这种“如果恶棍们闹事儿，你岂不掏得更多”的思路导致税收
: 越来越高，还打着替你打折的旗号。
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ay
发帖数: 2267 | 19 我老最近仔细看了自己的保险
总共大概要1万2/年。
自己出1/3，单位出2/3。
不过我还是支持国内人来这里多多生小孩
the
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Washington state weighs first-in-the-nation abortion insurance mandate
: In 1970, Washington became the first -- and remains the only -- state in the
: country to legalize elective abortions by a popular vote.
: A generation later, and 40 years removed from the landmark United States
: Supreme Court Roe v. Wade ruling that extended abortion access nationwide,
: Washington is once again poised to stand out.
: With 21 states having adopted bans or severe restrictions on insurance
: companies from paying for abortions, Washington is alone in seriously
: considering legislation mandating the opposite.
: The Reproductive Parity Act, as supporters call it, would require insurers
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l****o
发帖数: 832 | 20 对于全人类的后代，我有两条建议：
1. 把允许生的后代的数量与纳税金额挂钩。纳税多的，可以多生；纳的少的，只能少
生；不纳税的，不许生。用法律的手段强制执行。法律允许范围内出生的婴儿，从妊娠
开始，一切费用国家财政支付。
2. 婴儿归全社会所有，成立专门的机构共同抚养。这样一方面，消除了现在存在的由
出生导致的成长和机会的不公平；另一方面，消除了现有的财产继承制度，再富有的人
，其财富仅限于一代，随着该富人的死亡，其财产（如果还有剩的话）自动回流到全社
会，而不是由其子女等继承人继承。即便富人在生前花光其所有财富，对社会消费的拉
动也是正面的，只要立法阻止买空卖空囤积居奇的行为就可以了。
另外再附加一条养老政策。两种机制并行，一条是财富多的，可以自行养老；第二对没
有能力自行养老的，由财政支出成立各种服务等级的养老院，根据其一生纳税的总金额
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ay
发帖数: 2267 | 21 我老看了家版无数的婆媳贴之后觉得
育儿养老的发展方向就是社会化。
然后伴随婚姻制度的消亡
科技医学发展解决性病困扰最终形成自由伴侣多夫多妻各种形态
【在 l****o 的大作中提到】
: 对于全人类的后代，我有两条建议：
: 1. 把允许生的后代的数量与纳税金额挂钩。纳税多的，可以多生；纳的少的，只能少
: 生；不纳税的，不许生。用法律的手段强制执行。法律允许范围内出生的婴儿，从妊娠
: 开始，一切费用国家财政支付。
: 2. 婴儿归全社会所有，成立专门的机构共同抚养。这样一方面，消除了现在存在的由
: 出生导致的成长和机会的不公平；另一方面，消除了现有的财产继承制度，再富有的人
: ，其财富仅限于一代，随着该富人的死亡，其财产（如果还有剩的话）自动回流到全社
: 会，而不是由其子女等继承人继承。即便富人在生前花光其所有财富，对社会消费的拉
: 动也是正面的，只要立法阻止买空卖空囤积居奇的行为就可以了。
: 另外再附加一条养老政策。两种机制并行，一条是财富多的，可以自行养老；第二对没
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S********9
发帖数: 1121 | 22 是啊，和生出来纳税人养个20年然后杀人放火关进去再纳税人养下半辈子比起来，堕胎
的钱真是小小钱啊
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】
:
: so what u can do?
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t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 23 流产免费，倒是好过养娃免费百倍
the
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: Washington state weighs first-in-the-nation abortion insurance mandate
: In 1970, Washington became the first -- and remains the only -- state in the
: country to legalize elective abortions by a popular vote.
: A generation later, and 40 years removed from the landmark United States
: Supreme Court Roe v. Wade ruling that extended abortion access nationwide,
: Washington is once again poised to stand out.
: With 21 states having adopted bans or severe restrictions on insurance
: companies from paying for abortions, Washington is alone in seriously
: considering legislation mandating the opposite.
: The Reproductive Parity Act, as supporters call it, would require insurers
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T*********I
发帖数: 10729 | 24 目前为止只有这条：和大家交流，指出我认为不对的地方。多一个人认同多一份力量。
现在大家好像都觉得，反正没有什么特神奇的一招制敌。那我们就委屈求全。
【在 x****o 的大作中提到】
:
: so what u can do?
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x****o
发帖数: 29677 | 25
你说的那些大家都认同,问题是无能为力,所以选择伤害更小的
【在 T*********I 的大作中提到】
: 目前为止只有这条：和大家交流，指出我认为不对的地方。多一个人认同多一份力量。
: 现在大家好像都觉得，反正没有什么特神奇的一招制敌。那我们就委屈求全。
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 26 会减少以后申请食物卷的人数
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: 这是政府立法要求保险公司付账，不是政府拿钱。所以不会分流食物卷的钱。
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D******r
发帖数: 5237 | 27 你这不就是共产主义的搞法么，从理想国到乌托邦到马克思，前人早就憧憬过了
【在 l****o 的大作中提到】
: 对于全人类的后代，我有两条建议：
: 1. 把允许生的后代的数量与纳税金额挂钩。纳税多的，可以多生；纳的少的，只能少
: 生；不纳税的，不许生。用法律的手段强制执行。法律允许范围内出生的婴儿，从妊娠
: 开始，一切费用国家财政支付。
: 2. 婴儿归全社会所有，成立专门的机构共同抚养。这样一方面，消除了现在存在的由
: 出生导致的成长和机会的不公平；另一方面，消除了现有的财产继承制度，再富有的人
: ，其财富仅限于一代，随着该富人的死亡，其财产（如果还有剩的话）自动回流到全社
: 会，而不是由其子女等继承人继承。即便富人在生前花光其所有财富，对社会消费的拉
: 动也是正面的，只要立法阻止买空卖空囤积居奇的行为就可以了。
: 另外再附加一条养老政策。两种机制并行，一条是财富多的，可以自行养老；第二对没
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