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发帖数: 356 | 2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion_in_Saudi_Arabia
In March 2014, the Saudi interior ministry issued a royal decree branding
all atheists as terrorists, which defines terrorism as "calling for atheist
thought in any form, or calling into question the fundamentals of the
Islamic religion on which this country is based."
2014年3月，沙特政府发布一条新法律，规定所有无神论为恐怖主义。 |
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R****y
发帖数: 456 | 3 A BILL that stigmatises Russia's gay community and bans the distribution of
information about homosexuality to children has been overwhelmingly approved
by the lower house of parliament.
More than two dozen protesters were attacked by anti-gay activists and then
detained by police, hours before the State Duma approved the Kremlin-backed
legislation in a 436-0 vote.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/russian-parliament-passe
Wiki里的数据： A 15 January 2013 statistic by the Russian Academy of
Scie... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 4 By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
Published: May 7, 2011
Colleges and universities have long offered majors in religion or theology.
But with more and more people now saying they have no religion, one college
has decided to be the first to offer a major in secularism.
Starting this fall, Pitzer College, a small liberal arts institution in
Southern California, will inaugurate a department of secular studies.
Professors from other departments, including history, philosophy, religion,
science and sociology, will... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 5 By Patrick J. Buchanan
September 7, 2012
The authors of the Democratic platform have inadvertently revealed to the
world the sea change that has taken place in that party we once knew.
For the first time — and in the longest Democratic platform in history, 26,
000 words — there was not a single mention of God, the Creator, whom Thomas
Jefferson himself, father of the party, proclaimed to be the author of our
right to life and liberty.
The convention had approved the new platform, but when a fire... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2498 | 7 9/16/2016 Democrats’ Deplorable Emails WSJ
http://www.wsj.com/articles/democratsdeplorableemails1473981664
【1/4】
If the 2016 election is remembered for anything beyond its flawed candidates
,
it will be recalled as the year of the Democratic email dump. Or rather, the
year that the voting public got an unvarnished view of the disturbing—nay,
deplorable—inner workings of the highest echelons of the Democratic Party.
What makes the continuing flood of emails instructive is that nobody was
ever
mea... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2467 | 8 Democrats’ Deplorable Emails
How much to buy an ambassadorship? The answer is in the latest hacked
messages.
By KIMBERLEY A. STRASSEL
Sept. 15, 2016 7:21 p.m. ET
If the 2016 election is remembered for anything beyond its flawed candidates
, it will be recalled as the year of the Democratic email dump. Or rather,
the year that the voting public got an unvarnished view of the disturbing—
nay, deplorable—inner workings of the highest echelons of the Democratic
Party.
What makes the continuing flood... 阅读全帖 |
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s*f
发帖数: 1071 | 9 yahoo news一惯是右翼的民粹的，保守的，美国优先的。反奥巴马，反移民，反华评论
都得到最大支持。
现在开始潮水般反Trump非常诧异，实在值得深思。
Are Yahoo's News readers politically conservative for the most part?
There are some consistent patterns I notice:
Comments that criticize Obama, even highly vitriolic and bigoted ones, are
almost always upvoted far more than downvoted.
Comments sympathizing with African-Americans, Latinos, and other minorities
are often downvoted into oblivion.
If someone expresses an intensely hostile or ignorant opinion on topics su... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****n
发帖数: 2415 | 10 不用费心了,93% of members of the national academy of sciences are atheists.
The Atheist-Dominated National Academy of Sciences.
信那野蛮原始的宗教还不如信齐天大圣。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 11
There are right ways to do it and there are wrong ways too. Get them
fight is definitely wrong. You think nuke would be smart enough to
kill only christians, jews, and muslims? I bet there were many
atheists died in 9/11 too.
The way communists did in promoting atheism was wrong too. People grew up
in mainland china weren't organic atheists. Many of them are so readily
to give up ration and are proud of it. No wonder stupid religions like
FLG and Christianity can grab so many untrained minds... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8927 | 12 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/19/MN1
May 21, 2011: rapture or party time?
Justin Berton, Chronicle Staff Writer
Thursday, May 19, 2011
If everything goes as Oakland minister Harold Camping predicts, the Bay Area
will suffer a world-ending earthquake around 6 p.m. Saturday, God-fearing
Christians will ascend to heaven and everyone else is in big trouble for
eternity.
And if Camping is wrong, the American Atheists will gather in an Oakland
hotel meeting room Sunday to ce... 阅读全帖 |
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s******n
发帖数: 6806 | 13 挺老套的剧情啊，政客搞女人，而且平铺直叙。
campaign 最关键时候搞女人，哪有这么傻的政客啊.
另外开头那段话，说自己不是Christian,不是Atheist, 只信Constitution.
说到底就是Atheist. 放在当今美国政坛纯粹找死, 选票立马全没了。
可以看看，但不能称为好电影。 |
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s******n
发帖数: 6806 | 14 挺老套的剧情啊，政客搞女人，而且平铺直叙。
campaign 最关键时候搞女人，哪有这么傻的政客啊.
另外开头那段话，说自己不是Christian,不是Atheist, 只信Constitution.
说到底就是Atheist. 放在当今美国政坛纯粹找死, 选票立马全没了。
可以看看，但不能称为好电影。 |
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发帖数: 99 | 15 呵呵，谢谢你啊，不过可不敢说我看懂了李安导演，对他的作品有留意倒是真的。
确实对atheists是没意思的。不过其实atheists和theists之间还有像你我这样的夹心
饼干吧，这片子也能给我们看看吧。哈哈。 |
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发帖数: 3 | 16 It's a tightrope the Chinese government would rather not walk, with the
sensitive 10th anniversary of Tiananmen Square just gone by. Falun Gong,
however, is pressing its own issues with communist leaders. The sect, a
popular quasi-religious movement gaining followers worldwide, desires
official recognition and respect. This has precipitated a power struggle
that has tensions rising.
After being caught off guard by the emerging movement's 25 April 1999 ten-
thousand-plus-member sit-in — a silent ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1186 | 17 atheist也是一种信仰， 为何基们不能安静的对待他们。这个我不理解。
你跟 christian一提atheist， 他们恨不得杀了你。
前两天san antonio的那个clip看了吧。 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 18 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
GeauxTigers (Nothing is possible....) 于 (Sat Oct 5 11:07:16 2013, 美东) 提到:
炒作无极限
赚钱无底线啊
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GeauxTigers (Nothing is possible....) 于 (Sat Oct 5 11:30:09 2013, 美东) 提到:
这光影、颜色用的
学画多年的人都很难吧
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mitbbs2715 (好吃不懒做) 于 (Sat Oct 5 12:03:59 2013, 美东) 提到:
别说大陆了，就是台湾的文艺界也是抄袭占绝大部分
华人的文艺圈就是一群烂人把持的
更不用说大陆这种中宣部作协拥有绝对权威的地方，民众接触国际上的原作太少了。
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lute... 阅读全帖 |
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k***r
发帖数: 13724 | 19 开始考虑信道教阴阳双修。
This group does not at all agree with my vision of American society...
Atheist: 39.6%
Muslims: 26.3%
Homosexuals: 22.6%
Hispanics: 20%
Conservative Christians: 13.5%
Recent Immigrants: 12.5%
Jews: 7.6%
I would disapprove if my child wanted to marry a member of this group....
Atheist: 47.6%
Muslim: 33.5%
African-American 27.2%
Asian-Americans: 18.5%
Hispanics: 18.5%
Jews: 11.8%
Conservative Christians: 6.9%
Whites: 2.3% |
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e*******e
发帖数: 6165 | 20 我不赞同绝对理性是绝对的好。
我理解的agnostic 和atheist还是不完全一样的。
----
不过这些都是没法儿争辩的东西，各有各的标准， 你觉得呢？
atheist |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 21
不會啊，別說爭辯， 你覺得絕對理性有什麼壞處嗎？
再次強調『理性』的反面是不理性，不是其他東西。
我認為理性甚至包括考慮別人和自己的心裡感受。
agnostic 是 atheist 的一種。 不過這是定義問題，倒真是沒什麼好爭的。
我們在基板也只是自稱非基，這包含 agnostic, atheist 總是沒錯的。 |
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发帖数: 226 | 22 一点点建议吧，
我是基督徒，我女朋友是latino，也是基督徒，我们从相识就是在bible study里面开
始的。我们两个现在就等着都稳定下来了好结婚。基本上来说，从信仰到肉体，是非常
容易的，要从肉体到信仰，是极度痛苦的。我觉得你的她还比较小，可能还没有认识到
自己对你的physical爱慕和精神上对你的爱慕的区别，或者你自己还没有完全认清这个
事情。我建议你真的要keep open mind,人对信仰的需要都是客观存在的，atheist也是
一种信仰。信仰一致，可以把婚姻变成一件很美好的事情。不要听人们对穆斯林的偏见
的想法，这和那些对我们中国人有偏见的人没什么区别。信仰本身是跨越种族文化的，
是你们关系的最好出发点。我觉得你要是真的喜欢她，不要强求她改变信仰变成
atheist，也不要强求自己去信穆斯林，但是要去seek out the possiblity of
knowing God. 多看看有关她信仰的书，就算你不信，不也是有好处么。客观的说，当
然没有一开始就信仰一致好，但是也要有信心，相信老天既然把你们撮合到一起，就是
有原因的。不管怎么说，千万不要为了肉体上的欲望去... 阅读全帖 |
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c**l
发帖数: 76 | 23 MYTH: Madalyn Murray O'Hair, an atheist, single-handedly removed God, the
Bible and prayer from public schools in 1962.
FACT: Atheist leader Madalyn Murray O'Hair played no role in the Supreme
Court's school prayer decision of 1962.
In the Engel v. Vitale case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled 8-1 against New
York's "Regents' prayer," a "non-denominational" prayer state education
officials had composed for public schoolchildren to recite.
The government-sponsored religious devotion was challenged in |
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p*****e
发帖数: 7299 | 24 Dinesh D'Souza asks where the atheists are after the shootings, and derides
their ability to respond meaningfully. He says atheists are cold and have
nothing to offer because they believe in nothing -- no good, no evil. This
man, a professor at VA Tech, shows him how mistaken he is. Support him and
read his response!
－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－－
－－
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/19/18451/0971
Dinesh D'Souza, Atheism, Virginia Tech [Second Update]
by mapantsula
Thu Apr 19, 2007 at |
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t******1
发帖数: 61 | 25 4 messages from the book:
1. Atheists can be happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.
2. Natural selection and similar scientific theories are superior to a "God
hypothesis" — the illusion of intelligent design — in explaining the
living world and the cosmos.
3. The indoctrination of children is problematic because how a young child
can be considered developed enough to have such independent views on the
cosmos and humanity's place within it.
4. Atheists should be proud, not apologe |
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e*****n
发帖数: 3129 | 26 A debate between believers and non-believers in Westminster Abbey was
entertaining, but failed to change anyone's mind.
Last night in Westminster Abbey, just yards from the final resting place of
Charles Darwin, two believers and two atheists slugged it out before the
altar.
On the side of the atheists were Steve Jones, professor of genetics at
University College London, and Nancy Rothwell, a professor at the faculty of
life sciences, University of Manchester. On the side of the angels were the |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 27
members
You are a very evil person deep down. You think if there is no god to
put you on leash, you'd kill and rape.
I don't believe there is after-life. So any life lost is forever.
There is no 2nd chance. So, I don't believe your phony god, and
I don't kill or rape. And most atheists don't kill or rape. Actually,
atheists crime less in general. You're just lying. |
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t*******d
发帖数: 2570 | 28 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steve-mcswain/god-in-america-the-pbs-sp_b_757098.html
God in America: The PBS Special and a Conversation With Stephen Prothero
"God is dead," said Nietzsche. Well, maybe somewhere, but not here, as the
PBS special, God in America makes abundantly clear.
I recently interviewed the chief editorial consultant to this PBS special,
airing this week, Dr. Stephen Prothero. As the distinguished professor of
religion at Boston University, his research and books have been wid... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******d
发帖数: 2570 | 29 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
delia (delia) 于 (Thu Jun 25 16:00:22 2009, 美东) 提到:
中国人对帝王的崇拜只是表象。其实质是对权力的崇拜。
中国人对权力的崇拜程度令人发指。从上面很多回帖可以看出来。这里不是说每个人都
不择手段追求权力，而是认为权力可以实现一切。因为认为权力可以实现一切，所以认
为权力绝对正确。
这就是为什么＂枪杆子里出政权＂那么有市场。枪杆子可以让人拥有权力，但是这种集
中的权力是否能够有效地统治国家，却是一个问号。
历代帝王权力集中一身。他的权柄成为社会稳定的标志乃至手段。但是帝王依旧有明君
昏君之别。遇到昏君，人们想到的就是取而代之，把他手中权力拿过来。
这种权力更迭充斥着整个中国历史，形成独特的价值观，并渗透到中国文化的每一个角
落。权力更迭之后，下一任掌权者通常会吸取一些教训，对政体进行修正。然后社会矛
盾重新积聚，人们考虑新一轮权力更迭，开始又一个轮回。
事实上明君昏君的区别有点极端。多数还只是一个庸君。真正的明君和昏君都是极少数
。亡国的不一定是昏君，只... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8336 | 30 The existence of God using logical absolutes
This is an attempt to demonstrate the existence of God using logical
absolutes. The oversimplified argument, which is expanded in outline form
below, goes as follows: Logical absolutes exist. Logical absolutes are
conceptual by nature--are not dependent on space, time, physical properties,
or human nature. They are not the product of the physical universe (space,
time, matter) because if the physical universe were to disappear, logical
absolutes w... 阅读全帖 |
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q********5
发帖数: 175 | 31 这个是广义的atheist。atheist 也常被用来指完全否定神的存在的人。
其实只要不相信存在一个神会对人类/自然有任何干涉，这些人的价值观和行动准则就
没有任何本质区别。 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 32 "Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the
entrails of the last priest"
-Denis Diderot
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen Roberts
"Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
-Napoleon Bonaparte
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a
dose of common sense."
- Cha... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 33
now we are reduced to anecdotal evidences instead of well controlled studies
. I have seen atheist kids become born-again Christians in college, de-
converts return again as prodigal sons...In a "scientific" way, how can you
attribute the transition to level of education w/o isolating the impact of
other factors?
IMHO, independent of the level of education, people has a spiritual need
that can not be met with secular knowledge, and advance in science/education
will not fill that void. You as a... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 34 发现DNA双螺旋结构的弗朗西斯.克里特解释为什么偏向无神论
My parents were religious in a rather quiet way. We had nothing like family
prayers, but they attended church every Sunday morning and when we were old
enough my brother and I went with them. The church was a nonconformist
protestant one, a Congregational Church, as it is called in England, with a
substantial building on Abington Avenue. As we did not own an automobile, we
often walked to church, though sometimes we made part of the journey by bus
. My mother greatl... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 36
伪继而被发展。
thanks for sharing.
进化论是科学, with its assumptions & limitations. But many atheists (
especially those not trained in biological science) tend to take it to the
level of "religion" to justify their atheist belief.
If you stick here long enough, you will see Christians ask you how many
times you have read Bible, and the non-believer ask you how many books you have read on "evolution theory" (not the academic papers or textbooks, but a list of social science books with clear anti-Christiani... 阅读全帖 |
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T*******r
发帖数: 333 | 37 这篇文章确实是关于进化论的预测和检验，你的英文这么好，还需要我翻译成中文你才
看的懂吗？
文章标题翻译成中文就是：《预测特立尼达孔雀鱼的外观进化》，还有什么疑问吗？
呵呵，我早就估计到你会重新定义scientific purpose,果不其然。
请问，other biological theories/disciplines that YOU can think of 就是for
all scientific purpose吗？你个人的理解就是for all scientific purpose吗？
我提出的美国自然历史博物馆的链接，飞蛾预测的scientific name，正规的期刊文献
，怎么到你的嘴里就是支持无神论者的信仰了（"support to the atheists' belief")?
我早就说过了，谎言就是谎言，重复一万遍还是谎言。而你则更进一步，为了掩盖一个
谎言而开始制造另外一个谎言。你的谎言已经不仅仅是进化论里面随机和预测的定义如
何，而是在歪曲什么是科学，什么是信仰，甚至开始攻击科学家的职业操守。
我还是那句话，你自己怎么看进化论我没意见，你为什么敢宣称你个人... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 38 thanks for sharing.
what cause the mutations in enhancer?
One thing from this article that I can't agree more--"我们知之甚少" (words from the "experts") -- but this doesn't stop some atheists from embracing the evolution theory whole-heartedly under the name of "science".
To be fair, Christians also embrace the Bible whole-heartedly even though we don't fully understand God. The difference is , we acknowledge it as a faith, while atheists don't. |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 39 我现在加了原文的链接：
Regulating Evolution: How Gene Switches Make Life
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=regulating-evo
“知之甚少”特指非编码DNA中的大部分，全文讨论的却是已知的那部分的重要作用。
那句话原文是：
Much of the remaining noncoding DNA does nothing that we know of, but some
of those sequences participate in the very important task of regulating gene
expression. And these regulatory sequences are key to evolution.
from the "experts") -- but this doesn't stop some atheists from embracing
the evolution theory whole-hearted... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 801 | 40 基督徒连自己宗教的了解程度都比不上非基的。
Religious IQ: Why do atheists outscore Christians?
http://theweek.com/article/index/207591/religious-iq-why-do-ath
Just how badly did Christians perform?
It depends on the denomination, but no group beat the atheists/agnostics.
While Jews (20.5 correct answers) and Mormons (20.3) came in second and
third, white evangelical Protestants trailed with a score of 17.6, followed
by white Catholics (16.0), white mainline Protestants (15.8), black
Protestants (13.4), and Hispanic C... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 41 你这贴本身就是有很强的倾向性，把我一些友好的发贴给过滤掉了。
故意弄出一个黑名单，误导别人。
current administrator, talking about "捍卫表达自由"
请看我全部发贴的列表：
1 ; Dramaer Sep 18 圣经里关于强奸的规定……
2 ; Dramaer Sep 23 新约好一点吗？
3 ; Dramaer Sep 24 视死如归
4 ; Dramaer Sep 24 我为什么突然想攻击基督徒
5 ; Dramaer Sep 28 不认罪，基督徒就什么工作都没法开展了？
6 ; Dramaer Oct 2 【一年反基】阿西莫夫评论基督教
7 ; Dramaer Oct 3 【一年反基】罗素反对宗教的理由
8 ; Dramaer... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 42 G. Contribution of the Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes in numerous ways to systematic theology. First, our
understanding of bibliology or more specifically, revelation (i.e., the stu
dy of how God makes himself known) is greatly enhanced by this passage. Here
in Romans 1:18-20 Paul does not appeal to inscripturated truth per se (i.e.
, truth revealed in the pages of the OT), but rather to the continual revela
tion of God in and through creation and in his wrath against si... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 43 G. Contribution of the Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes in numerous ways to systematic theology. First, our
understanding of bibliology or more specifically, revelation (i.e., the stu
dy of how God makes himself known) is greatly enhanced by this passage. Here
in Romans 1:18-20 Paul does not appeal to inscripturated truth per se (i.e.
, truth revealed in the pages of the OT), but rather to the continual revela
tion of God in and through creation and in his wrath against si... 阅读全帖 |
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D*****r
发帖数: 6791 | 44 That's exactly why we protest.
How can you be proud of this? This research shows religious people's
discrimination against atheists.
Christians' tryannical claim of Jesus as the only way to heaven is a typical
example of intolerance.
This research reminded us: when we are fighting to protect the rights of
women, African Americans and gays, we are still ingoring the rights of
atheists.
of |
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g****m
发帖数: 996 | 45 十年，二十年后再看看咯，美国进步缓慢不是说没进步，就像这个
Gallup has been polling people on whether they would refuse to vote for "a
generally well-qualified person for president" if they were an atheist for
over 40 years; here is the historical data: (from the "Gallup Polls & Other
Surveys" link, below)
February 1999 48%
August 1987 48%
April 1983 51%
July 1978 53%
December 1959 74%
September 1958 77%
August 1958 75%
The religious affiliations in America are changing rapidly. Between 1990 and
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G******e
发帖数: 9567 | 46 上次有好事者贴个调查说美国人最不信任atheist，可见这些受调查者没接触过信仰或
不认识atheist。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 47 既然上統計調查，不妨多來幾個。
基督徒的離婚率在幾個調查中也是比較高的， 這裡有個整理
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
有興趣的話，別漏了 References 裡的資料。
主要數據
Religion % have been divorced
Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%
Divorce rates among conservative Christians were significantly higher
than for other faith groups, and much higher than Atheists and Agnostics
experience.
其實相差不是太大， 21% 到 30%. |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 48 Highlights
The ARIS 2008 survey was carried out during February-November 2008 and
collected answers from 54,461 respondents who were questioned in English or
Spanish.
The American population self-identifies as predominantly Christian but
Americans are slowly becoming less Christian.
86% of American adults identified as
Christians in 1990 and 76% in 2008.
The historic Mainline churches and
denominations have experienced the steepest declines while the non-
denominational Christian identity has be... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 49
It always bewilders me to see atheists quote atheist celebrities to support
their belief ---
if you are not confident about what you believe but need support, trust in
God, not some mortal (or even dead) human. The truth is, they may as well be confused and sinful as you are. |
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l********i
发帖数: 831 | 50
改善什么了？看看铁的数据：
美国哪一类人的道德水平高一些？
基督教无疑是一个很擅长于自我包装的宗教。一般不了解基督教的人们，都会以为基督
徒们是一些道德水平相对较高的团体。然而，事实上是这样吗？我们用铁的数据来说话。
美 国联邦监狱的分析师 Denise Golumbaski 给出了1997年美国监狱里面关押的犯人的
信仰统计数据。那么，美国监狱里面关押起来的罪犯 中，哪一类人的比例相对较低呢
（相对于这类人在社会上的比例来说）？数据我们附在最后。从这些数据里面，我们可
以看出几点很有趣的事：
1）无神论者占美国人口的比例大约是在百分之八到百分之十六之间（8% ~ 16%）。然
而，在美国监狱关押的犯人中，无神论者的比例只有百分之零点二（0.2%）！！！这说
明什么问题呢？（有趣的是，在英格兰和威尔士的监狱的数据中，无神论者在被关押的
罪犯中也只有0.2%，参见：http://www.adherents.com/misc/adh_prison3.html）
2）信耶稣的人在罪犯中占的比例要高于社会上信耶稣的人所占的比例。这个数据充分
说明一点，那就是基督教的信仰对于社会道德的提升是毫... 阅读全帖 |
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