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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Heresies of Calvinism!
CALVIN BELIEVED IN INFANT BAPTISM
Calvin said, "Baptism is properly administered to infants is something owed
to them."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN SACRAMENTS EQUAL TO GOD'S WORD
"Therefore, let it be regarded as a settled principle that the sacraments
have the same office as the Word of God: to offer and set forth Christ to us
, and in him the treasures of heavenly grace."
CALVIN BELIEVED IN AMILLENNIALISM AND WAS AGAINST PREMILLENNIALISM
Calvin said, "But a little later there followed the Chiliasts, wh... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Belief版 - Why is Calvinism a Cult? (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: jiagejidu (shenmumaliya), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Why is Calvinism a Cult?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 18 22:22:17 2011, 美东)
Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons o... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Why calvinism's "Totoal Depravity" is wrong ZT
Calvinism consists of theological doctrines which use words found in the Bib
le. However, Calvinism consistently redefines those words, takes them out of
context, applies the doctrines inappropriately, exaggerates the meaning of
the words to the extreme, or in some other way distorts the Word of God to m
atch the theology written by John Calvin in his book, Institutes of the Chri
stian Religion. The following is a typical definition of Total Depravity, th
e First Point of Calvinism, written by o... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Why is Calvinism a Cult?
Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such
members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those
people who have committed themselves to Calvinism ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Why is Calvinism a Cult?
Calvinism is a cult for many reasons. Cultlike behavior is always marked
by an idolatrous desire to the cult itself. This is especially true in
Calvinism. You will not find every Presbyterian or Reformed Baptist to be
mired down in the cult-like behavior of Calvinism. There are many people who
attend Calvinistic churches do so for reasons other than Calvinism and such
members essentially place little emphasis on Calvinism itself. It is those
people who have committed themselves to Calvinism ... 阅读全帖
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Dave Hunt
John Calvin And His lnstitutes
Calvinism and the controversies surrounding it have confronted Protestants f
or more than four hundred years. Of course, the whole dispute in the church
goes back long before John Calvin to Augustine, Pelagius and others.
Aurelius Augustinus was born November 13, 354 at Tagaste, a small town near
the eastern border of modern Algeria. His father was a Roman official and a
pagan; his mother Monica, a Christian. In 386, after studies in philosophy,
law and t... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(16)Calvin and Calvinism
How Much Calvin In Calvinism?
There is an attempt today to disassociate Calvin from Calvinism in view of i
ts earlier origins in Augustine and the Latin Vulgate Bible. Moreover, it wa
s not until the Great Synod of Dort (Dordrecht) more than fifty years after
Calvin's death that the five points of Calvinism were first set forth in ord
er.
Ironically, this declaration came about only as an expression of opposition
to the five points of Arminianism. Nevertheless, this system of thought cont
inues ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(10) Difficult Calvinism
Is Calvinism So Difficult To Understand?
Should Calvinism really be unfathomable for the common Christian? That very
fact, if true, would be additional proof that Calvinism was not derived from
the scriptures. How could something so complicated possibly come from that
upon which every person is capable of meditating day and night (Psalms 1:1-2
)? If the essential nourishment God's Word provides is to be every man's dai
ly sustenance for spiritual life (Deuteronomy 8:3), could Calvinism have com
... 阅读全帖
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Question: "Calvinism vs. Arminianism - which view is correct?"
Answer: Calvinism and Arminianism are two systems of theology that attempt
to explain the relationship between God's sovereignty and man's
responsibility in the matter of salvation. Calvinism is named for John
Calvin, a French theologian who lived from 1509-1564. Arminianism is named
for Jacobus Arminius, a Dutch theologian who lived from 1560-1609.
Both systems can be summarized with five points. Calvinism holds to the
total depravi... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(13) Can we ignore Calvinism?
It is a general assumption that whatever other disagreements we may have, wh
en it comes to the gospel of our salvation both Calvinists and non-Calvinist
s are in full agreement. Many Calvinists, however, disagree, claiming that t
he biblical gospel is Calvinism. For example: "God's plan of salvation revea
led in the Scriptures consists of what is popularly known as the Five Points
of Calvinism."
Loraine Boettner declares, "The great advantage of the Reformed Faith is tha
t in the framework of t... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - ZT - The Facts about Calvin and Servetus
The Facts about Calvin and Servetus:
Those who throw out these charges against Calvin would do well to actually
study the issue as opposed to bearing false witness.
1. Michael Servetus taught many unorthodox heresies: astrology,pantheism,
Neo-Platonism, Semi-Pelagianism, rejected the Trinity,rejected the Deity of
Christ.
2. Servetus was convicted by the Inquisition in France for his heresies, but
he escaped before sentencing.
3. Calvin warned him not to come to Geneva because he was would not be... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(14) Calvin's gospel
Facing A Real Dilemma
The gospel Peter and Paul and the other apostles preached was for everyone i
n the audiences they faced, wherever they went: it was not a message which o
nly the elect could believe. Peter told Cornelius and his family and friends
, "And he [Christ] commanded us to preach unto the people [not to a select g
roup].... that ... whosoever [among the people to whom He preached] believet
h in him shall receive remission of sins" (Acts 10:42-43).
In contrast, Calvin's gospel says ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - on Calvinism, Evil and God's Holiness
Letter from Visitor on Calvinism, Evil and God's Holiness
Today I received an email to my to Monergism.com account from a visitor name
d Shawn. He asked some important questions on on Calvinism, Evil and God's H
oliness. I have reproduced his email in full with my response (with a couple
paragraphs on Job that quote liberally from John Piper)
Dear Mr. Hendryx,
I've been reading your website with interest and find it to be one of the ve
ry best Calvinistic resources I've seen on the net. I am not... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Calvinism is a cult zz
What is your opinion of using book written by Calvinists?
http://bible-truth.org/FAQ-Calvinism.html
Answer: I think if the subject of the book is outside the realm of Calvin
ism they may be okay, but a person should be very discerning. I listened to
a message of a preacher on the radio yesterday for about ten minutes who was
a Calvinist. When I first started listening he was talking about the grace
of God and God's glory. What he said was correct in every way, however he th
en began to interm... 阅读全帖
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A Brief Word
Discussions with many people around the world reveal that multitudes of sinc
ere, Bible-believing Christians are "Calvinists" only by default. Thinking t
hat the only choice is between Calvinism with its doctrine of eternal securi
ty and Arminianism with its falling away, and confident that salvation canno
t be lost because of Christ's promise to keep eternally those who believe in
Him, they therefore consider themselves to be Calvinists.
It takes only a few simple questions to disc... 阅读全帖
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With the recent upsurge of Calvinism, a number of leading Calvinists have be
gun to take a far more aggressive stance in its public promotion. Both sides
, in fact, are increasingly making this issue a matter of fellowship in the
Lord, resulting in division in a number of otherwise sound churches. In some
churches, Calvinism is looked upon as a cult and members are forbidden to p
romote it even privately. In others only Calvinists are accepted as members.
Of course this has been true of pastors ... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(16)Calvin and Calvinism
The author Dave Hunt wrote this book to rebuke Calvinism
Calvinists often said we don't understand the Calvinism. Actually they take
Calvinism as their belief, because they themselves don't understand the Cal
vinism either.
Then we can take some time to see what the Calvinism actually is.
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欣赏,她说,每次与男生上床时,总见到父亲的名字,让她性趣大失。
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Calvin Klein对女儿这番话一直放在心里,相当困扰。
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隆重介绍美国少年冠军Calvin入会
本熊多次写文章介绍的两届少年冠军得主:Calvin Sun 孙英康 日前加入“棋人”棋友
会。他的账号是yinkang。
小Calvin现在9岁。AGA6段。现居洛杉矶。6岁学棋,师从江铭久七段。小伙子天资聪颖
,悟性极高,是美国围棋的希望所在。他除了上面提到的两届美国冠军外,还多次在各
个比赛中取得过好成绩。他在与本会骨干weiqilover的较量中以4比1领先。小Calvin还
曾经拿下过曹薰铉九段授4子指导棋。
请本会各高手如果有时间,多指导指导我们的美国围棋花骨朵。如果能够简单复盘指点
一二也不胜感谢。
另外,英康小朋友也报名参加了明天对耀宇会的对抗赛。希望他旗开得胜,马到成功!
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最近看到有网友批评永生,认为他信仰的Calvinism鼓吹预定论(i.e., 只有一小部分人预定得救),这种想法与耶稣的大爱不符,是邪恶的云云。我觉得这是不公正的。
我这么说,大家可能会吃惊。因为我是一个Deist,信仰神是爱,神爱每一个人,而且人类是一个休戚相关的整体。我的信仰,比起反对Calvinism预定论的基督教Arminianism(认为只要相信耶稣的人都可以得救)更要liberal很多。那么,我为什么要替永生兄弟鸣不平呢?
这是因为,作为一名Ex-Christian,我深知永生兄弟所持的观点,是mainstream
Christian的观点。Okay, 人数多不一定代表对,这我当然知道,当年我在教会的时候,就因为坚持人人都能得救的universal观点被视为异端。更重要的原因在于--Bible完全支持永生兄弟的观点、也就是Calvinism 的观点。
Bible里面有无数章节,是firmly support Calvinism。比如说,罗马书第8章29-30:“因为他预先所知道的人,就预先定下效法他儿子的模样,使他儿子在许多弟兄中作长子。预先所定下的人又召他们来;所召来的人
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来自主题: Comic版 - 有无人喜欢 calvin & hobbes??
有无??有无??有的话举手!!
calvin是除了bf之外我最喜欢的男生(花痴一样笑)。
准确的说,calvin只是一个还没有开始发育的6岁小男孩。
hobbes是他的布老虎。
其实他们的形象被广泛用在各种媒体上,网页、杂志、衣服等等。但是不知道为什么在
国内这两个四格漫画的主人公远没有加菲和snoopy
吃香。甚至国内知道他们的人都不是太多,到现在为止只有译林出过一本精选集。
Bill watterson连载了十年,最终因为和公司方面的矛盾而收笔。
看这本漫画时不断惊叹着作者的想象力,为什么一个成人的脑袋里可以保留那么多关于
童年的回忆?为什么他可以把小孩子时梦想过的东西
变成具体的画面?他的风格太独特了,独特到我很快就厌倦了我的旧爱--日复一日可
耻重复着自己的Charles Shulz和淘气得有点坏的Jim
Davis.
看别的漫画,一直带着旁观者的心情,好玩也罢新奇也罢,始终可以呆在画外乘凉。看
calvin & hobbes的时候,却整个都跌了进去。如果我
只有6岁,我真想做calvin的女朋友!!和他一起历险,幻想,经历那些奇妙的事情,当
然免不了要被他欺负得很惨。
看完有
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love Is This?(3)Calvinism's role
ZT
Calvinism has never seemed biblical to me for a number of reasons which we w
ill come to in due order. Over the years, my considerable objections have be
en discussed privately and in detail with several staunchly Calvinist friend
s. Thankfully, in spite of our serious differences and the fact that we were
unable to resolve them, there was never any loss of good will. We remain in
close friendship to this day and have simply avoided this subject in our co
ntacts and fellowship with one anothe... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(17) Calvinism and Catholicism
In the following pages we shall document the fact that the wide praise heape
d upon Calvin as a great exegete is badly misplaced. He taught much that was
clearly wrong and which his evangelical followers of today either don't kno
w or perhaps don't want to know. There is a great deal contained in Calvin's
writings which every true believer must admit was, at the least, serious er
ror and in some cases outright heresy.
On that account alone, Calvin's expertise as an outstanding exegete of God's
W... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Did Calvin Murder Servetus? 1.Calvin The Genius
By Stanford Rives
"By their fruits you shall know them." --Jesus
John Calvin was one of the most brilliant writers that the church has ever p
roduced. For this reason, his fame continues to this day, even as many Chri
stians regard themselves as Calvinists.
Calvin first professed Christ sometime around May 1534. Then within only on
e year, and while only 24 years of age, Calvin produced a complete synopsis
of Christian scripture and doctrine in a best-seller entitled s of the Ch... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Basketball版 - 名人堂Calvin Murphy 力挺劳保局
's mom got it going on....
http://deadspin.com/5543134/calvin-murphy-fires-up-the-delonte-got-with-lebrons-mom-rumors-again
Calvin Murphy Fires Up The Delonte Got With LeBron's Mom Rumors Again
Hall-of-Famer Calvin Murphy appeared on ESPN Radio in Houston today and as
all basketball conversations must do, the topic turned to the rumors about
Delonte West's dalliance with LeBron James' mom. Murphy's response: "It ain'
t no rumor."
Murphy—who is not exactly the classiest individual to ever wear an
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【 以下文字转载自 TrustInJesus 讨论区 】
发信人: GetThere (不学有术), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: His (塞尔维特) Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin (zz)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 27 00:48:04 2009, 美东)
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ashes.htm
His Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin
Dan Corner
You are about to read an important part of church history from the
Reformation period that has been so concealed in our day that very few
people know the facts. Brace yourself for a shock.
On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of
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来自主题: Comic版 - 有无人喜欢 calvin & hobbes??
i loooooooove calvin & hobbes, so much so that i named my two kids calvin and
thomas.
however, from reading your post i feel i love this comic for different reason
to you. :p
but that's what great about it, it appeals/effects different people on
different level.
btw. here's a great article that i think every calvin & hobbes fun should
read, .... but then again, maybe not suitable for everyone .... read it at
your own risk :)
http://www.whatever-dude.com/posts/145.shtml



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http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ashes.htm
His Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin
Dan Corner
You are about to read an important part of church history from the
Reformation period that has been so concealed in our day that very few
people know the facts. Brace yourself for a shock.
On October 27, 1553 John Calvin, the founder of Calvinism, had Michael
Servetus, the Spanish physician, burned at the stake just outside of Geneva
for his doctrinal heresies!(1) Hence, the originator of the popular do
G******e
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【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: GetThere (不学有术), 信区: Belief
标 题: His (塞尔维特) Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin (zz) (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 27 01:00:30 2009, 美东)
发信人: GetThere (不学有术), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: His (塞尔维特) Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin (zz)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Dec 27 00:48:04 2009, 美东)
http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/ashes.htm
His Ashes Cry Out Against John Calvin
Dan Corner
You are about to read an important part of church history from the
Reformation period that has been so
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - John Calvin supported Infant Baptism
ZT
The most significant controversy to centre upon the sacrament of baptism has
arguably been the debate over whether it is legitimate to baptize infants o
r not(McGrath 443). In his most renowned work, Institutes of the Christian R
eligion, John Calvin takes up this issue endeavouring to prove that infant b
aptism is a divine institution(Wendel 324). Calvin declares that "infants ca
nnot be deprived of it[baptism] without open violation of the will of God"(I
nst.4, 16, 8). He reasons this prima... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - What Love is This?(16)Calvin and Calvinism
Are you a Calvinism? Why post Calvin everyday?
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当时HOT的把全美WSN都炸疯了,CK卖疯了
现在成经典了
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CK Sale的时候$145+shipping来的,非常保暖,修身,打造寒冬酷酷的造型,可是发现
XS号对我小了。。。。
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新NWT
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来自主题: Fashion版 - 【6pm】 Calvin Klein内衣等三折起
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Calvin Klein cuts up to 75% off all apparel.The discount will appear during
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我怎么觉得永生信的不是圣经,而是解经呢

分人预定得救),这种想法与
耶稣的大爱不符,是邪恶的云云。我觉得这是不公正的。
且人类是一个休戚相关的整
体。我的信仰,比起反对Calvinism预定论的基督教Arminianism(认为只要相信耶稣的
人都可以得救)更要liberal
很多。那么,我为什么要替永生兄弟鸣不平呢?
候,就因为坚持人人都能得救
的universal观点被视为异端。更重要的原因在于--Bible完全支持永生兄弟的观点、也
就是Calvinism 的观点。
:“因为他预先所知道的人,就预
先定下效法他儿子的模样,使他儿子在许多弟兄中作长子。预先所定下的人又召他们来
;所召来的人又称他们
为义;所称为义的人又叫他们得荣耀。”还有很多例子,我暂不一一列出。请大家一起
来读一下《约翰福音》第
17章(列在文后)。这一章中,耶稣为自己、为使徒、以及为信徒祷告。他非常明确地
表达,信他的人是耶和华
*预先*赐给的,而他仅仅为一部分人--“他们"(使徒以及信徒)--祈求,而不为所有世
人祈求:
have given me, for they are yours.)
所有人的,所有
R*****a
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非常理解丝丝的意思,前几天我和一位版上的教友交流,我提出的想法和你基本一样,
我预感到加尔文其实是“对”的。对圣徒的拣选,这个应该是“正确”的,版上几个非
主流教友也同意。而对部分人的弃绝,所谓的“双重预定”,我觉得还是“错”的,我
苦于圣经知识不足。
我一直避免和几位加尔文派翻脸,私下和他们都交流过,我相信他们都是和我们一样的
,思维正常,心理健康,努力奋斗,热爱家庭。我得出的想法是,中国人失去了文化自
信,基督教的那一套对人的思想改造是有效的。
我在尝试的就是进入基督教的思维系统,看看能不能注入国学思想,看看能不能在价值
观上与传统信仰融合。我也认为文化自信是解决问题的关键,只要国人对自己的传统信
仰有信心,就不会走进基督教的价值观。

最近看到有网友批评永生,认为他信仰的Calvinism鼓吹预定论(i.e., 只有一小部分
人预定得救),这种想法与耶稣的大爱不符,是邪恶的云云。我觉得这是不公正的。
我这么说,大家可能会吃惊。因为我是一个Deist,信仰神是爱,神爱每一个人,而且
人类是一个休戚相关的整体。我的信仰,比起反对Calvinism预定论的基督教
Arminianism
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分人预定得救),这种想法与耶稣的大爱不符,是邪恶的云云。我觉得这是不公正的。
且人类是一个休戚相关的整体。我的信仰,比起反对Calvinism预定论的基督教
Arminianism(认为只要相信耶稣的人都可以得救)更要liberal很多。那么,我为什么
要替永生兄弟鸣不平呢?
候,就因为坚持人人都能得救的universal观点被视为异端。更重要的原因在于--Bible
完全支持永生兄弟的观点、也就是Calvinism 的观点。
:“因为他预先所知道的人,就预先定下效法他儿子的模样,使他儿子在许多弟兄中作
长子。预先所定下的人又召他们来;所召来的人又称他们为义;所称为义的人又叫他们
得荣耀。”还有很多例子,我暂不一一列出。请大家一起来读一下《约翰福音》第17章
(列在文后)。这一章中,耶稣为自己、为使徒、以及为信徒祷告。他非常明确地表达
,信他的人是耶和华*预先*赐给的,而他仅仅为一部分人--“他们"(使徒以及信徒)--
祈求,而不为所有世人祈求:
have given me, for they are yours.)
所有人的,所有人都能通过耶稣得救。我自己一直都是这么认为的。
前,
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脚煮姐姐基本上说的都对,
俺想补充一点,就是在华人的圈子里,加尔文主义算不上主流
和加尔文主义相对的另一个大宗派,是路德宗(也叫信义宗,福音派,德国的马丁路德
开创的),这
是新教的两位始祖,Arminianism的华人好像不多
像belief和trust的很多基,都是福音派,主要强调的是圣经无误。
另外呢,大部分的原教旨主义(基要派)也称自己是福音派的,其实是差不多的,
个人感觉“原教旨主义”本身很像个贬义词,所以一般不太爱往自己身上说。
但福音派和加尔文主义的区别还是比较明显的。
比如:福音派是因信称义;
加尔文派也说因信称义,但实际是因上帝的选择成义。

分人预定得
救),这种想法与耶稣的大爱不符,是邪恶的云云。我觉得这是不公正的。
且人类是一个
休戚相关的整体。我的信仰,比起反对Calvinism预定论的基督教Arminianism(认为只
要相信耶
稣的人都可以得救)更要liberal很多。那么,我为什么要替永生兄弟鸣不平呢?
候,就因为
坚持人人都能得救的universal观点被视为异端。更重要的原因在于--Bible完全支持永
生兄弟的
观点、也就是Calvin
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Calvinism is a cult zz
calvinists go home worship your calvin evil "god"

Calvin
to
was
grace
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hea
w
his
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来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - Did Calvin Murder Servetus? 1.Calvin The Genius
stop the heresy
return the to gospel
we can read bible together
but don't spread calvinism
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