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d**p
发帖数: 510
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - [求推荐] 底板和胶皮
rubbers: spectol is meduim pips, hard to control, not suggest
using as a forehand rubber, SpinPips is good, Guoliang and
Longcan used to use them.
When Chen, Longcan used at SF bay area back to 07, i saw he used
SpinPips.
i saw a lot of pips penholders are using Fairstorm, which is
fastest short pips from butterfly.
c****1
发帖数: 5654
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 请教怎么用长胶接比较长的球
just chatted with Liu Song, he is from Guangxi, he played penholder
a little bit when he was very young, then his coach asked him to
change to shakehand, but he could not learn how to loop well for
his backhand, so he changed to LPs.
He told me you can play well for every type of rubbers, as long as
u work hard.
But 2 side smooth rubbers are easiest to improve.
I believe professional player world is more boring since there are
not much variations, but in our amateur world, it is more fun to
play... 阅读全帖
m*****1
发帖数: 275
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 海夫蓝鲸III 为什么这么贵?
刚才在MYTABLETENNISNET商城看到海夫蓝鲸III 胶皮单价要$89多,为什么这么贵?
有谁可以科普一下?什么叫打底(factory tuned)?
http://www.mytabletennis.com/shop/rubber/inverted-rubber?brand=125
h**d
发帖数: 5161
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - U大,请帮我们下蛋
hpzd:
Genius+ Optimum Sound (black)
Grip-S (red)
Renanos Hold (black)
Narucross EX Hard(red)
Nimbus VIP (black)
Sinus Alpha(red)
All max.
And
Joola Edge Tape for 100 Bats
flowflow:
底板:Stiga Offensive NCT Penhold
胶皮:One Yasaka Mark V M2 Red max
javelin:
Blade: Ma Lin Extra Offensive Penhold (#PYMAEC)
Rubber: Mark V HPS (#RYMKH,2.0mm Red)
boeing:
2张Tibhar Genius+ Optimum red, 2.0mm
2张tibhar Nimbus soft red, 2.0mm
1 Bryce speed fx black max
1 bryce speed fx red max
2 sriver g3 fx both red max
... 阅读全帖
M**4
发帖数: 731
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 问一下
就是一个Body Power,和Rubber Power的问题。
涩性胶皮速度快,粘性胶皮速度慢, 但是旋转强。
粘性胶皮用在正手是没有问题的,以中国运动员正手的发力,再慢的胶皮也能打出极
高的速度。而且粘性胶皮还有一些其他的好处,比如小球控制好等等,这就导致中国
球员正手都是粘性胶皮。欧洲运动员的那种正手Chickenwing Style的loop,发力远
不如中国球员,导致他们用不了中国的粘性胶皮。
但是反手的发力远远比不上正手,这个时候就要借助Rubber Power,所以大家都喜欢
反手用涩性胶皮。
M**8
发帖数: 206
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Is the new rubber you got a faked brand? Milestone100 did not complain his
new rubber:-)
n****n
发帖数: 607
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - Paddle palace: QQMJ 可以分赃了吗?
请问 usatt, 下次订货什么时间?
想订:
Stiga CL-CR-WRB CPEN (item# PSCLIC): 1
Stiga royal rubber (item# RSROY) 2.0 Black : 1
Tibhar Grass D.TecS rubber (item# RTGRDT) 1.2 Red: 1
n****n
发帖数: 607
8
来自主题: Pingpong版 - U大 U大
Yes, yes. please deliver to boeing or whoever in bay area.
Boeing, I told you last Thursday in dojo I am going to change to the old
paddle I used to use. Now you ought to know who i am. :)
Stiga Titanium 5.4 Penhold (item#:PSTI5N): 1
Stiga royal rubber (item# RSROY) 2.0 Black : 1
Tibhar Grass D.TecS rubber (item# RTGRDT) 1.2 Red: 1
Stiga Master Shoes, Euro 40 (US 7): 1
Nittaku 3-Star Balls, Dozen, white: 1
Knife Set: 1
From Butterfly:
Free Chack 90ml: 1
Pips Brush: 1
Combi Cleaner: 1
u***t
发帖数: 3986
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knopfler YSC 1
Renanos Bright Soft 1.9 Red 1

QQMJ cl-cr-wrb Flair 1

bbs1011 clipper wood cpen 1
Ti54 cpen 1
Yasaka Balsa Flair 1

nospin Stiga Titanium 5.4 Penhold 1
Stiga royal rubber (item# RSROY) 2.0 Blac
1
Tibhar Grass D.TecS rubber (item# RTGRDT) 
1.2 Re 1
Stiga Master Shoes, Euro 40 (US 7) 1
... 阅读全帖
u***t
发帖数: 3986
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - *PaddlePalace分赃帖*
Pulo 是不是弯曲的???
弯曲的东西全部寄给谁? 谁做东送割胶刀一套, Nittaku三星球一盒和蝴蝶保护膜一套
Paypal: d******[email protected] ("As Gift" please)
knopfler total: $71 (paid)
YSC 1 $38
Renanos Bright Soft 1.9 Red 1 $29
分担邮资 $4
QQMJ total: $41
cl-cr-wrb Flair 1 $39
分担邮资 $2


bbs1011 total: $91
Ti54 cpen 1 $53
Yasaka Balsa Flair 1 $34
分担邮资 $4

nospin total: $ 176
Stiga Titanium 5.4 Penhold 1 $53
Stiga royal rubber (item# RSROY) 2.0 Blac $
26
Tibhar Grass D.TecS ru... 阅读全帖
u***t
发帖数: 3986
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knopfler YSC 1
Renanos Bright Soft 1.9 Red 1

QQMJ cl-cr-wrb Flair 1

bbs1011 clipper wood cpen 1
Ti54 cpen 1
Yasaka Balsa Flair 1

nospin Stiga Titanium 5.4 Penhold 1
Stiga royal rubber (item# RSROY) 2.0 Blac
1
Tibhar Grass D.TecS rubber (item# RTGRDT)
1.2 Re 1
Stiga Master Shoes, Euro 40 (US 7) 1
Nittaku 3-Star Balls, Dozen, white: 1
Knife Set 1



BigSpoon Nittaku R... 阅读全帖
c****r
发帖数: 469
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 胶水及贴膜
请问是DAP的Contact Cement吗?我昨天在WalMart只看到了这种,在油漆和Caulking区
域。没有找到你说的Rubber Cement
多谢

很多人都是直接买Walmart的Rubber Cement, 很便宜。但如果参加比赛,这个好象不合
法。平时练习无所谓. 可以增加粘度的保护膜没听说过
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs 6.0 - iPad Lite
c****r
发帖数: 469
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 胶水及贴膜
请问是这种吗?
Elmer's Repositionable Rubber Cement, 8 oz.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Elmer-s-Repositionable-Rubber-Cement-
店里面是没有的
只有网上才有
p******u
发帖数: 705
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 胶水及贴膜
Rubber Cement太黏稠了点,不加点稀释剂不是很好粘。Office Depot,
Hobby lobby 都应该有。
Rubber Cement的好处是有点灌胶效果。如果不灌胶的话,无机胶水用量更少些。
h*******a
发帖数: 1753
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 中国国家队用啥底板和套胶?
Stiga e-mail:
"XU XIN & GUO YUE WORLD CHAMPIONS 2011
"At the World Championships in Rotterdam, the STIGA Superstars Xu Xin and
Guo Yue became World Champions.
"Xu Xin (Rosewood NCT V blade, Calibra LT rubber) won the men´s
doubles event together with Ma Long.
"Guo Yue (Ebenholz NCT V blade, Calibra LT rubber) won the women´s
doubles event together Li Xiaoxia. She also won bronze in the women´s
singles event.
"A fantastic World Championship for the STIGA Team!"
u***t
发帖数: 3986
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 中国国家队用啥底板和套胶?
Except guo yue uses grip-s, almost everyone uses hurricane orskyline as
forehand rubber. Majority of backhand rubbers are T64
l********h
发帖数: 130
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Selling for my friend. The BTY blade is a shakehand VSG21-4000. Include a
T25 red and a T64 black. The blade and rubbers are used (have some tears & wears) but it still plays well. Asking for $35 only local pickup in SF bay area (San Jose), or plus packing & postage (around $7 I guess, will charge exact cost incurred) for out-of-town buyer. The pice is less than 20% of the original prices of the blade and rubbers.
Serious inquiry only. First come first serve.
Allen
b*****1
发帖数: 1355
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - PP 周五要下蛋了, 谁要带?
谢谢。下面是我要买的东西的清单:
1. Yasaka Pryde rubber, Black, Max
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Pryde/productinfo/RYPRY/MAX%20BLACK
2. Yasaka Mark V rubber, Red, Max
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Mark-V/productinfo/RYMKV/MAX%20RED/
3. Tibhar Chila Balsa Light
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Chila-Balsa-Light/productinfo/DTCHB
4. Stiga Carbonix WRB Flared Master
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Carbonix-WRB/productinfo/SSCAXW/MA/
Note: No more than 78g, the lighter, the better
湾区单。
b*****1
发帖数: 1355
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - PP 周五要下蛋了, 谁要带?
那就算了。不改了,我还是要原来订的那几样。
1. Yasaka Pryde rubber, Black, Max
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Pryde/productinfo/RYPRY/MAX%20BLACK
2. Yasaka Mark V rubber, Red, Max
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Mark-V/productinfo/RYMKV/MAX%20RED/
3. Tibhar Chila Balsa Light
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Chila-Balsa-Light/productinfo/DTCHB
4. Stiga Carbonix WRB Flared Master
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Carbonix-WRB/productinfo/SSCAXW/MA/
Note: No more than 78g, the lighter, the better
f**********8
发帖数: 348
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Quality of the stuff from ttnpp is reliable. Why we buy stuff from HK? Do
you have DHS rubber and Butterfly rubber having such reasonable price at
PaddlePalace.com? I guess not.
j*****n
发帖数: 3052
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - butterfly的蛋大家统一在这里下.
能不能再加两个:
3 Rubber Soap:
http://butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?
page=glue_clean.asp&type=13&ID=89&pg=1&SortBy=b.NewProd&displayNum=20
1 Rubber Grips:
http://butterflyonline.com/online_store_productcloseup.asp?
page=glue_clean.asp&type=13&ID=40&pg=1&SortBy=b.NewProd&displayNum=20
j*****n
发帖数: 3052
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 蝴蝶蛋孵钱了.
能不能买Rubber Grips和Rubber Soap? 价钱?
还要加税吗?
c****1
发帖数: 5654
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 【bbs1011】课堂笔记 11/18/2011
having different rubbers is one of the most fun in TT to play against,
otherwise, it will become more like tennis, tennis racket has no side
different.
Only having smooth rubbers would lose one of the biggest fun in TT.
c****1
发帖数: 5654
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - big joke of BATTF first divison
if both sides are smooth rubbers, doesn't matter that much if both
are one color, as i understand.
ITTF changed the rule mostly for guys like Cai Zhenhua, using 2
different rubbers, esp those twiddlers like myself.
m**********0
发帖数: 698
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 北美团体赛 update
Our team have 3 players from WSATT club of bay area.(Fernando C, Milestone,
Mark K). Their rating is about 2060. The young guy(IsaacK) is from Canada.
His dad(Ian) is quite famous in Canada TT community. Ian won a gold medal
in table tennis at the Parapan American Games. Mark is the uncle of Isaaac.
His canada rating is 2050. He is about 1800 player of USA rating. (Fine
print: Please don't use this case as formual to transfer rating between USA
and Canada)
We are the D team in division 6A. Our ... 阅读全帖
h*******a
发帖数: 1753
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偶这样说恐怕会伤了许多人的感情了.觉得国际乒联实在是勉为其难,一定要用水溶性胶
水来粘海绵和橡胶这些有机的东西.
水溶性胶水本来是粘纸类的.Rubber cement是用来粘海绵和橡胶这些有机的东西.以前
乒乓球专用的有机胶,都是以Rubber cement为本的,胡蝶的Fair Chack,Joola的Zoom,
Stiga的Energy Glue,etc,只不过杂质少了许多,没那么有毒.
工欲利其事,必先利其器.用水溶性胶水来粘海绵和橡胶这些有机的东西 is like using
the wrong tool. 用的是错误的工具.
j*g
发帖数: 820
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朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手,拉球弧度高,速度慢,稳定。等他回球偏高
偏短时,再暴打一拍大角度。
匈牙利时,对他的反手削球,却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球,类似小爆冲。这种球
朱回的很好,回球快,弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
性质。估计是因为新胶皮,和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。

? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5,到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
h****a
发帖数: 97
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Ruwen wrote:
I don't know if Joo changed his rubber or not, but for sure he changed his
style a little bit: more attacks with the forehand; some fast push and
smashes and SIDESPIN chop with the backhand. Also the chop have a different
trajectory and his movment is a little different. I'm not an expert, but the
possibility that Joo changed long pimples makes sense to me.
And also I think that the color of the sponge is mainly irrelevant: he can
have the sponge he wants-also sponge that are not on... 阅读全帖
P****S
发帖数: 2457
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"The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
As you can see, the above sentence always had a "quote" sign whether I wrote
it here at mitbbs or earlier at Jiayuan. That's because it is a quote from
other people instead of my own claim. So writing it here or at jiayuan does
not reflect my own conviction that it's definitely true, as shown by my
careful wording through out this thread. Although I tend to believe that Joo
's changing hi... 阅读全帖
j*g
发帖数: 820
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朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手,拉球弧度高,速度慢,稳定。等他回球偏高
偏短时,再暴打一拍大角度。
匈牙利时,对他的反手削球,却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球,类似小爆冲。这种球
朱回的很好,回球快,弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
性质。估计是因为新胶皮,和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。

? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5,到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
h****a
发帖数: 97
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Ruwen wrote:
I don't know if Joo changed his rubber or not, but for sure he changed his
style a little bit: more attacks with the forehand; some fast push and
smashes and SIDESPIN chop with the backhand. Also the chop have a different
trajectory and his movment is a little different. I'm not an expert, but the
possibility that Joo changed long pimples makes sense to me.
And also I think that the color of the sponge is mainly irrelevant: he can
have the sponge he wants-also sponge that are not on... 阅读全帖
P****S
发帖数: 2457
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"The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
As you can see, the above sentence always had a "quote" sign whether I wrote
it here at mitbbs or earlier at Jiayuan. That's because it is a quote from
other people instead of my own claim. So writing it here or at jiayuan does
not reflect my own conviction that it's definitely true, as shown by my
careful wording through out this thread. Although I tend to believe that Joo
's changing hi... 阅读全帖
u***t
发帖数: 3986
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 出货:打包出点小东西 (不急)
Included in this bundle sale, are some of my new and used pong stuffs, they
are:
4 New rubbers
Tibhar 1Q Blk MaX 2
Nittaku Fastarc S-1 Red MAX 2
9 highend Setups
Butterfly 60 Anniversay Limited 3
Nittaku Barwell Fleet 2
Butterfly Zhang Yiningn Limited 1
Nittaku Ludeack Fleet 1
Stiga CL-CC 1
Stiga Dynapower Wood (extinct) 1
Notes
1. Deal as whole, no seperate sell
2. All blades and rubbers are new or like-new, due to slight usage and good
maintenance
3. All setups incl... 阅读全帖
J********9
发帖数: 36508
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☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
chen91 (win) 于 (Fri Jul 23 17:33:08 2010, 美东) 提到:
as long as i see one, i always try to play to their smooth side, did not
work well,
it seems their backhands are better, they use the medium pips even when the
ball is
in the middle to forehand side.
any strategy or tips to against them?
at Baltimore, against one, i won the first game like 11:6, i thought i would
pull
a upset against a guy over 2100 from east coast, but he came back to beat me
3:1
easi... 阅读全帖
k******2
发帖数: 261
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 新手上路,这样配如何?
第一次配拍子,直拍,拉球较多。谢谢!
Stiga Allround NCT Penhold Combo Special

Forehand Rubber : Nittku Renanos Hold (In Stock)
1.9 Red (thick)
Backhand Rubber : Yasaka Mark V (In Stock)
1.8 Black
total Price: $100.95
k******2
发帖数: 261
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 新手上路,这样配如何?
后来在tabletennis11上买了pichachu推荐的:)希望shipping不是问题
TT blade YASAKA MA LIN EXTRA OFFENSIVE PEN $37
TT rubber NITTAKU FASTARC S-1 red 1.8 (thick) $26
TT rubber Yasaka MARK V HPS SOFT black 2.0 $31
胶皮分量轻,耐久,spin为主,有一定control
谢谢大家,特别是告诉我www.tabletennisdb.com这个海量资料库
q*****n
发帖数: 698
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Title: A Tale of Two Qiqis
Author: mukund
Qiqi recently won the highly-competitive singles ping-pong ladder. Most
people expected him to make the quarter finals. But he won it all! And how!
His modus operandi involved theoretical research, data-driven research, game
-theory, and execution (despite failing systems). An act worthy of
publication. (Qiqi's cover is already blown, so this article does not
divulge anything that the ping-pong mafia already does not know)
Qiqi joined Google a about four... 阅读全帖
h*******a
发帖数: 1753
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 胶水过稠,用啥稀释?
都是有机溶剂
艺术家用的:
贵点的:
bestine-solvent-and-thinner
http://www.dickblick.com/products/bestine-solvent-and-thinner/
便宜点的:
best-test-rubber-cement-thinner
http://www.dickblick.com/products/best-test-rubber-cement-thinn
工业用的:
更便宜的:
VM&P Naphtha (有得卖在Home Depot 或 Lowes)
http://www.lowes.com/pd_206531-34228-CR.VM.M.41_4294729353__?pr
h*******a
发帖数: 1753
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 【有谁和我同感】 球很重要
Brand name new balls have got anti-sticky powders on them. Tacky rubbers
tend to lose friction with the white powders built up. Grippy rubbers are
less effected.
L****n
发帖数: 35
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 浅析垃圾
Sun Bin of Intel is playing inverted forehand (Hurricane 3 rubbers)
and long pips backhand (penhold style).
He has one of the most deceptive penhold serves(those resembled Liu Guo
Liang using
the backhand side of the rubber to serve on his forehand position or we call
it reversed-backhand forehand serves) and his long pips is so surprising in
terms of position chop block.
I think he used to play much better when he was in China and at least in
2250 or higher level.
LXXfan
a*****m
发帖数: 4745
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 省狂胶皮比一般的粘好多么
灌胶用那种胶水比较好啊?
蓝鲸还是海豚阿? 疑惑rubber cement + rubber cement thinner 1:1自制?
f*1
发帖数: 837
42
来自主题: Pingpong版 - 最近左膝盖突然不疼了
天哪,我还以为你知道我是在开玩笑,你还真练倒立啊!我不知道会不会有用,不过我
觉得那会不会让肘关节负担太重了反而起到相反的效果?
wiki 上说 Tyler Twist 有奇效,可以试一试:
Evidence from the Tyler study suggests that eccentric exercise using a
rubber bar is highly effective at eliminating pain and increasing strength.
Highlights of the study were described in The New York Times. Described as
the "Tyler Twist" the exercise involves taking a rubber bar, twisting the
bar and slowly untwisting the bar.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/phys-ed-an-easy-fix-fo
http://ww... 阅读全帖
a*****m
发帖数: 4745
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 再来个灌胶的问题
海夫海豚胶水太稀, 不适合灌胶。Elmer rubber cement比较稠, 能否把elmer
rubber cement 和 海豚 1:1混合之后用来灌胶? 这样效果可以比得上蓝鲸II了?
f*1
发帖数: 837
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 尼玛旧伤复发了。。。。。。
wiki 上说 Tyler Twist 有奇效,可以试一试:
Evidence from the Tyler study suggests that eccentric exercise using a
rubber bar is highly effective at eliminating pain and increasing strength.
Highlights of the study were described in The New York Times. Described as
the "Tyler Twist" the exercise involves taking a rubber bar, twisting the
bar and slowly untwisting the bar.
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/25/phys-ed-an-easy-fix-fo
http://www.thera-bandacademy.com/elements/clients/docs/Tyler%20
a****u
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 粘胶皮的学问还真多
你是指那种$2多钱的Rubber Cement吧,其实主要问题不是贴不牢,而是胶水太稠,你
如果掺些rubber cement thinner把它稀释,还是能贴好的,另外的问题就是不容易除
胶。所以经常粘帖胶皮的就最好不用,粘完不撕下来的用它不问题。
现在主张用水溶性胶水了,那个才有一定的难度,没经验的可能弄得胶皮不平整,容易
开胶,对某些底板还容易出现拉丝。

理。
w********1
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 开心,买到有机胶水了
我感觉有机胶水比rubber cement要粘一些,不知道是不是个人感觉问题。
rubber cement胶皮稍微碰了下桌子就开了。。。。
f*1
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 关于长胶----请鉴定真伪
Definite answer is on page 5 of the following:
http://www.ittf.com/stories/pictures/T4_Racket%20Coverings_BoD2
1.2. Rubber thickness
T = max. 2.0 mm
1.3. Aspect ratio
I.e. pimple height / pimple diameter, shall not be > 1.10 for pimples-out
rubbers.
1.4. Gloss (shininess)
An acceptable surface is one whose gloss, measured with an EEL gloss meter
at 45o head setting, is not > 6%; corresponding measurements of 60o specular
gloss using ASTM procedure D523 must give values not > 24%.
1.5. Friction f... 阅读全帖
f*******n
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 自制胶水宝典
经过螃蟹和老盆的指点,自制胶水成功:
Rubber Cement:http://www.walmart.com/ip/Elmer-s-Repositionable-Rubber-Cement-1-gal/14928203 ($4)
Lighter Fuel: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Ronson-Ronsonol-Lighter-Fuel-8-fl-oz/31954645 ($2)
总共花费$6加税。按1:1的比例混合,总共可以配成16oz胶水。估计能用三五年了
j******w
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 自制胶水宝典
我都是Rubber Cement+thinner 6:1直接配,
太稀了粘的时间短。1L的Rubber Cement 在amazon上$35
free shipping。。
r***l
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来自主题: Pingpong版 - 板上谁给推荐个blade
横拍的blade谁给推荐个?轻一些的,价格别太离谱。
刚去本地的club打,老美领导人物,2000多分吧,打的我满地找牙,说我的牌子糟糕,
弧圈失误太多,他推荐friendship 729 super fx 2mm的rubber, 让我搞material他来
帮我做拍子,rubber刚刚买了,还差blade, 大家都用啥?
多谢多谢
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