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T*******e
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The new touchback rule applies to kickoffs, not to punts or turnovers in the
end zone.这新的25yard touchback rule实际上可能会discourage teams to kickoff
touchback吧。
D****3
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Examples of Non-Safety(a) 解释的一清二楚 有问题么?
source:http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/safety2
The important factor in a safety is impetus. Two points are scored for the
opposing team when the ball is dead on or behind a team’s own goal line if
the impetus came from a player on that team.
Examples of Safety:
(a) Blocked punt goes out of kicking team’s end zone. Impetus was provided
by punting team. The block only changes direction of ball, not impetus.
(b) Ball carrier retreats from field of play into his o... 阅读全帖
m*****y
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safety
惯性进入end zone, 只要不出来就是touchback;出来再回去就是safety
T*******e
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Among the approved changes, the following three are interesting ones.
*The new 25 yard touch back,
By Competition Committee; Changes the spot of the next snap after a
touchback resulting from a free kick to the 25-yard line.
*Two strikes You are OUT!
By Competition Committee; Disqualifies a player who is penalized twice in
one game for certain types of unsportsmanlike conduct fouls.
*all chop blocks outlawed
By Competition Committee; Makes all chop blocks illegal.
And the 15-yard line for extra ... 阅读全帖
p****s
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来自主题: Football版 - 问几个初级规则问题
1. 为了耗时间,在端区出界或者倒地算safety,对方得两分,本方free kick给对方,
乌鸦虽然safety给了九人两分,但是耗掉7秒时间,在当时情况下时间远比这2分重要
2. 如果在端区触地是touchback,球出端区也算touchback,touchback在己方20码开球
,位置较好,如果从端区出来没到己方20码,那就亏了,回攻球员会考虑一下
3. 同理,punt也是看接球位置好不好,如果觉得不接球到端区的话算touchback,位置
较好,没接的球算球的最终位置
4. 扔黄旗是显示有犯规...
5. TD之后可以选择踢球(PAT),或者要2分 (two point converstion),一个队用几次都
可以,九人当时落后2分,如果打成了就追平了。
6. 从外卡赛夺冠最近几年有绿湾和巨人

跑?
H**********i
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则
判的没问题吧
这个是胖球规则
http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/12_Rule9_Scrimmage_Kick.pdf
一旦踢球方接到或者recover了球 就在接球点形成死球了
规则里唯一特别说明的情况是这个
Item 2:􀀃 If a player of the kicking team touches the goal line with
any part of his body while touching the
ball, the ball is dead, and the result of the play is a touchback.
也就是说必须是同一个人既碰端区又碰球 才算touchback 否则球的位置就是死球的位
置 过了线就是touchback 没过线就原地直接1st-and-10
要说已经进了端区再推出来当然算touchback 但如果球从头到尾没过线 那推人不影响
a****y
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
所谓touchback,是指球自动放到20码处,由Giants开始进攻。如果球没有落入endzone
,那就在接球点开始进攻。如果那个是一码,那Giants要前进99吗才能TD,如果是touc
hback,那只要80吗就能TD。
要还是不懂,就再补补,比如google一下这个touchback是什么意思。
f*****n
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则问题
可以放人。
说白了,就是你那个人在endzone里碰一下球,这球就变活球(fumble)了。这时候你必须
捡。可是你kneel down,这球就变touchback了,很可能要损失码数。你带出去,跑不回
20码连touchback都不如。只有能跑回LOS,才能赚到。所以一般看不到,除了Devin He
ster。
f*****n
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则问题
可以放人。
说白了,就是你那个人在endzone里碰一下球,这球就变活球(fumble)了。这时候你必须
捡。可是你kneel down,这球就变touchback了,很可能要损失码数。你带出去,跑不回
20码连touchback都不如。只有能跑回LOS,才能赚到。所以一般看不到,除了Devin He
ster。
l*x
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来自主题: Football版 - New kickoff rule
I searched and got the answer. Bears kicked off from 30 yard line to avoid
touchback so that they could evaluate their kick return coverage. They
actually got an OK from NFL and Bills' coaches in advance.
Bears' Toub defends decision to kick off from 30-yard line
http://tinyurl.com/3zb8597
“... We were just trying to evaluate our kickoff team. You don’t get any
evaluation when you kick touchbacks. That’s what preseason is for -- it’s
about evaluation and finding who can cover kicks. That’s all w... 阅读全帖
B******m
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来自主题: Football版 - New kickoff rule
其实就算是30yard还是有不少kicker可以踢到endzone里面甚至touchback,但是
touchback对方从20 yard开始攻。所以很多球队故意的把球踢到endzone边沿,怂恿对
方return,然后争取把return team压到20yard以内。
p**********1
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来自主题: Football版 - Super bowl props
大家觉得哪个可以赌啊?最后一列(例如2.21 跟1.704)是赔率,下注一块。
NFL Propositions
New York Giants vs New England Patriots: Aaron Hernandez Props
SUN 2/5 WILL AARON HERNANDEZ SCORE A TD?
03:30 PM 701 Yes 2.210
702 No 1.704
SUN 2/5 TOTAL PASS RECEPTIONS FOR AARON HERNANDEZ?
03:30 PM 703 Over 5.5 Receptions 1.840
704 Under 5.5 Receptions 2.020
SUN 2/5 TOTAL RECEIVING YARDS FOR AARON HERNANDEZ?
03:30 PM 705 Over 68.5 Receiving Yards 2.050
706 Under 68.5 Re... 阅读全帖
l********e
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来自主题: Football版 - 这次媒体是一边倒的帮GB说话呀
啥叫帮着GB说话,是touchback就是touchback,防守球员两手把球抱在胸前,那个WR一
个手摸着。
ESPN的投票里群众眼睛是雪亮的。
d********t
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来自主题: Football版 - 今天的4down这种情况
逻辑说的没错…在end zone接到球只要不出去,自己倒/被按倒都是touchback

出了底线才是touchback吧。。。难道我又对规则概念不清了?
d*********7
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A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling
team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the
opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback.
就是这个脑残rule 一方面如果滚出边线就从lost control的地方开始进攻 说怕进攻
方故意fumble 这个很好理解 也很合理
那么滚出底线就是touchback就有点奇葩了 为什么不和前面本来就比较合理的rule保持
一致
m*****y
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来自主题: Football版 - 今天早上采访butler
这种endzone边缘interception到底是safety还是touchback很难说的,规则也比较模糊
,要看是不是momentum把接球员带进endzonez,是的话球在接球点开球,有时候会判
touchback,全看裁判心情。Butler 的做法是对的,因为他几乎是在半码线接到的球,
如果不冲出来的话很可能被判在半码处开球,那就惨了。他冲到2码线,至少给了己方
一点缓冲。
H**********i
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不是4th
A fumble that goes forward and out of bounds will return to the fumbling
team at the spot of the fumble unless the ball goes out of bounds in the
opponent’s end zone. In this case, it is a touchback.
所以出边界和出底线没区别 都是touchback
这次的问题是在于海鸟故意把球打出去 因为这个犯规才能把球还给狮子
z*i
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来自主题: Football版 - 各位对新规则有啥感想?
touchback开球25,就是跟队员说没啥意义基本就别跑着return了
贴个小数据
Year Kick return Attp Kick reuturn Yds Kick return yds as % of total yds
2015 1080 25445 14%
2014 1226 29124 16%
2013 1289 30118 17%
2012 1395 32892 19%
2011 1375 32680 18%
2011挪到35以后, return也是不断在萎靡, 现在touchback改到25估计就是想钉死钉
子了。
H**********i
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则
对的 我前面是说接球或者recover的情况 过线(或在线上)就死球 没过就在哪儿算哪儿
如果是触球 就不一样 只有3种情况把过线的球算立刻死球touchback 1-球碰线外地 2-
碰球的人也碰线外地 3-碰球的人在碰球之前在线外地
也就是说 如果从场内起跳(落在哪儿不管)飞身把已经在空中过线的球又拍出来 那么
球仍然是活的 如果在线后或线上起跳飞身拍球 按上面的(3)判 算死球touchback
s*****h
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Here's the full list of proposals:
1. By Philadelphia; Gives additional protections for long snappers on
kick plays.
2. By Philadelphia; Prohibits the "leaper" block attempt on field goal
and extra point plays.
3. By Philadelphia; Expands the “crown of helmet” foul to include “
hairline” part of helmet.
4. By Philadelphia; Amends the challenge system by granting a third
challenge if a club is successful on at least one of its initial two
challenges, and expands reviewable plays o... 阅读全帖
f******o
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来自主题: NCAA版 - Watch for these rule changes in 2012
AMELIA ISLAND, Fla. -- Every year, there are new rules to pay attention to,
for coaches, players, officials and viewers watching games.
Here are several of particular note that could impact teams this season. ACC
coordinator of officials Doug Rhoads spent time going over these changes
with coaches during the spring meetings, and took some time to explain them
for this post. These changes were made to help create more player safety.
1. Helmet comes off. This is big change that Rhoads spent the mo... 阅读全帖
k*1
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昨天看球的时候想到的,被炒了之后摁倒两种情况,
1. 炒了防守方直接被摁倒或者没跑出端线被摁倒,这个是touchback,25码走起。
2. 炒了直接跑,进了端线再跑了一会被摁回endzone,这个算touchback?safety?
s******g
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http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2011/03/22/browns-special-te
Browns special teams ace Joshua Cribbs is fuming over the NFL’s decision to
change kickoffs.
“NFL rule changes are BS… U not making the game safer u messing a great
sport, trynna hide behind safety just to add 2 games…smh,” Cribbs tweeted.
The owners passed the rule change Tuesday at a league meeting in New Orleans
. The Browns voted against the change, but the motion passed 26-6.
Starting in 2011 - if the work stoppage ends and the... 阅读全帖
b****e
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来自主题: Football版 - RAIDERS的问题(3)
势均力敌的比赛中,
special team的表演往往决定比赛的胜负,
虽然对乌鸦算不上势均力敌,
但raiders的王牌special team也不能掉以轻心。
和去年相比,
raiders进步最大的就是special team
rookie kicker波兰大炮janikowski从半程以后开始发力,
很好解决了赛季初的心理障碍问题。
不过到底是rookie,
还没有完全适应NFL,
体力下降的厉害,
上半赛季每两次kickoff
就有一次touchback,
而下半赛季则几乎一个都没有。
原来他的射门总是准星不够,
但上周没踢进的56-yarder居然是长度不足。
另一个新秀punter shane legler,
不但一举打破NFL rockie punter的全部记录,
而且yard/punt, net yard/punt,hang time/punt全部排NFL第一,
有这样的punter,乌鸦想要有好的punt return表现难度极大。
回头看乌鸦的special team,
似乎上周赢下太蛋全是他们的功劳。其实不然。
titans给block的两个FG,
全是自己踢的
H****t
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来自主题: Football版 - Best blooper in superbowl
1) SB VII: Garo Yepremian's attempted pass that turned in
to a Redskins touchdown
2) SB XXVII: Don Beebe chases down Leon Lett and forces a
fumble-turned-touchback after Lett struts and holds ball out
to celebrate a score prematurely
3) SB XX: 300-plus pound DL William "The Refrigerator" Perry plunges 1 yard
for TD in Bears win
4) SB I: Officials re-kick opening kickoff of second half after TV networks
miss initial kick during sideline interview
5) SB XXVIII: Thurman Thomas misses first few play
G*****s
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来自主题: Football版 - 总结一下
fumble 变TD
fumble 变出界
TD 变 fumble touchback
FT
b******u
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个这个2pt的规则哈
i actually don't agree with you guys
http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/definitions
Possession: When a player controls the ball throughout the act of clearly
touching both feet, or any other part of his body other than his hand(s), to
the ground inbounds.
Touchdown: When any part of the ball, legally in possession of a player
inbounds, breaks the plane of the opponent’s goal line, provided it is not
a touchback.
a****y
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
微风别给新手添乱了。那个球是Cowboys的球员飞身救球,不过后来考夫林challenge成
功,变成了touchback。

规则
要落
谢谢
K**7
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
Giants punt,结果还是Giants进攻?越看越糊涂了。
我觉得是原帖搞错了
是Giants接punt,然后Cowboys不让touchback

endzone
touc
p*****u
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
谢谢二位,aaayyy是说 gaint punt 进cowboy 的end zone, 还是gaint 进攻?在
gaint 的20码线开始? 其实我的疑问和 brmj差不多,如果是touchback不应该是
cowboy的球么?为什么cowboy还要组织。
两位见笑,wiki上的touch back读了几遍,还是觉得说不通。。。
a****y
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
第一个接球的是illegal procedure,但是第二个接球的人好像有只脚踩到底线白条,
估计就这么算是touchback。
p****s
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来自主题: Football版 - 菜鸟问题,请大侠们指点
会touchback...然后giants就从20码开始进攻了
o*******6
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来自主题: Football版 - Why I love the NFL
论规则football也不算复杂,只要搞明白4档10码,搞明白什么样的接球算complete,
什么是TD/FG/Satety/Touchback,以及每一种犯规判罚多少码数,就能看明白比赛了。
复杂的是football的战术。进攻和防守各有很多种formation,每个formation又有许多
种可能的play,每一个play都需要11名球员的参与,落实到每个位置又有很多种route
,对方与他对阵的球员又有很多种可能的对付他的招数。
Soccer就差很多了,翻来覆去那么几个formation,而且一个球队选了一种formation之
后多少年也不会变。每个play也就是两三个球员的配合,球场上每时每刻都有人在闲着
(所谓的全攻全守就是个joke)。Football的playbook要比soccer复杂10倍。能懂一些
football战术的话,看football的乐趣比soccer大多了。
p****s
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来自主题: Football版 - kick off和onsite的主要区别是啥?
wiki里的:
The ball is to be placed between the kicking team's goal line and their own
30-yard line (35-yard line in the
CFL, 45-yard line in amateur Canadian football, 40-yard line in American
high school football). All players
except for the kicker on the kicking team must not cross the line at which
the ball is placed until the ball is
kicked. The receiving team must stay behind the line that is 10 yards from
where the ball is placed. The ball
can be fielded by the receiving team at any point af... 阅读全帖
B******5
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来自主题: Football版 - 似乎风很大?
第一节kickoff都是touchback,这会只能踢到10几码?
G**Y
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浪费了8分钟?
最后只搞了一个touchback?
o*******6
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还是05年Ben Watson追Champ Bailey的那个球最给力,狂奔120码(球场对角线),最
后在1码线上把球从Bailey手中拍掉,touchback。
l*****8
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来自主题: Football版 - 这个规则改的对口子有利阿
kick off从35码开始了,往前挪了5码。这样更容易touchback了。对口子这样KR
Coverage像屎一样的队伍是大利好,对狗熊这样有Hester这样KR高手的无疑是坏消息
f*****n
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则问题
这也是不准确的。不然当年Devin Hester打巨人那个佯装touchback后return TD就成了
干扰球了。
规则规定那种距离防守方可以派一名队员拖在最后选择return。
f*****n
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则问题
这也是不准确的。不然当年Devin Hester打巨人那个佯装touchback后return TD就成了
干扰球了。
规则规定那种距离防守方可以派一名队员拖在最后选择return。
l*****8
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来自主题: Football版 - New kickoff rule
没搞懂,为什么要退后五码开球?有什么可能的优势吗?不喜欢touchback?
a****y
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来自主题: Football版 - 问个规则问题
常理推测,1应该是safety,2应该是touchback。
i***d
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来自主题: Football版 - Drama的延续
一个非凡而辉煌的赛季已经过去了,带着19个新的首发队员Auburn重头再来,开始了新
赛季的征程。
Preseason Poll只是礼节性的把Auburn排到了第23,更有espn的著名猪头分析员称
Auburn能赢6场就算是谢天谢地了。我却总还有一点点希望,因为我们还有Dyer,
McCalebb这样好的RB,我们过去两年的recruiting很不错,Fr/So应该还是有不少talent
的,更重要的是OC Gus Malzahn留任了,他一上任就把Auburn曾经非常糟糕的进攻改头
换面,去年更是取得了辉煌的成功。最重要的是Auburn球队这个团结乐观积极向上的团
队还在。不管怎么样,没有什么幻想,但怀着一点点期望,看这个年轻的球队锻炼成长。
首轮的对手Utah State,不是什么强队,但也不是什么绝对的鱼腩。对这只没有经验全
新的Auburn绝对是不轻松的考验。赛前我不是太担心进攻,但是很担心防守。防守去年
就不稳定,今年缺了Fairley及一票Senior很难说有什么表现。
比赛的进程跌宕起伏,比赛还剩4分钟,落后10分,只有一次暂停。看台上有些球迷已
经开始离场了,但我还坚... 阅读全帖
G*******s
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来自主题: Football版 - 现在都是touchback啊
kick off return的没用了,价值大跌
S*******r
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来自主题: Football版 - 现在都是touchback啊
正常攻守水平的比赛punt不会这么少吧。。。
B*****e
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来自主题: Football版 - 现在都是touchback啊
He's talking about kick offs
P*******e
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刚开电梯 忘了今天开赛了
主要是touchback?
B******m
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来自主题: Football版 - NFL这样开球得了
昨天cowboys就是猜输了但是赢了比赛,35 yard kickoff的话应该很容易touchback,
如果对方从20 yard攻能得分还是不容易的。
l*****8
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Touchback大大增加。
r****p
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来自主题: Football版 - 开球每次踢这么近
两边特别队队员全速度迎面相撞,很容易负伤。
今年改的规则,把踢球点往前移了,一般kicker大力踢的话,都能touchback,减少特
别队球员负伤。
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