m***7 发帖数: 383 | 1 还他妈与众不同的变速设计。当年GM发明自动变速就是两轴设计,一直到六十年代都是
主流。本田最早的自动变速箱就是抄gm。
为什么现在不用了?一个是臭名昭著。另一个就是档位越多,箱子越长,没法横置。实
际上它那个散热的问题也是出在这个长度的限制上。现在大家都是7档往上,本田靠修
修补补实在玩不下去了。
当年的本田当然不错,现在什么样其实明眼人也看得到。s2000的箱子是爱信的,那可
是丰田系的骨干。这还只是手动的箱子。
至于什么质量改善,我当年的07 odyssey三万麦就jerk,每两次换机油换一次变速油,
撑到8万trade in了9000刀。其间2600刀换两个engine mount,1400刀两个滑动门轴。
助力转向换两次,CD机三次。三次前刹车盘。trade ind时候又有一个engine mount不
行了。单换dealer报1700刀。
至于说优点,主要是可以兼做按摩床,变速抖,engine mount抖,刹车抖。硬是销魂。 | h*h 发帖数: 27852 | | u****q 发帖数: 24345 | | u***o 发帖数: 385 | 4 Can you be 2er?
"其间2600刀换两个engine mount" | f****d 发帖数: 3217 | | m***7 发帖数: 383 | 6 你以为人都想你那么cheap?
车抖当然要换,那个臭名昭著的active mount,600刀一个。两个加人工就是这价。
【在 u***o 的大作中提到】 : Can you be 2er? : "其间2600刀换两个engine mount"
| m***7 发帖数: 383 | 7 三次,没错,都是一个毛病。某个电容烧了,不值得自己修。
【在 f****d 的大作中提到】 : cd机都换了三次
| f****t 发帖数: 15913 | 8 我吐你一碧莲,还能更无齿一点吗?
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】 : 这个是foxbat马甲?
| X***9 发帖数: 7385 | 9
大哥您国内论坛看多了吧?
你可以去看所有aisin变速箱的应用列表里有没有半个本田的名字?
我想你是指az6吧
那么他有以下应用
Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster,
Mazda RX-8,
Toyota Altezza
Lexus IS200,
Toyota 86
Scion FR-S
Subaru BRZ
本田:
"Honda engineers designed an entirely new close-ratio, 6-speed manual
transmission for the S2000. A limited-slip differential was chosen to ensure
continuous application of power to the rear wheels, especially when
cornering. The transmission and entire drivetrain are designed to be highly
rigid and as compact and lightweight as possible, making the vehicle more
responsive to driver input and increasing the driver's enjoyment and feel
for the car. "
aisin az6
本田s2000
本田平行轴变速箱
Parallel axes type automatic transmission
美国专利#7421921
持有人:Honda Motor Co., Ltd. (Tokyo, JP)
美国这么注重版权的地方,你何不代表gm告本田以下,也许还能赚一笔。
【在 m***7 的大作中提到】 : 还他妈与众不同的变速设计。当年GM发明自动变速就是两轴设计,一直到六十年代都是 : 主流。本田最早的自动变速箱就是抄gm。 : 为什么现在不用了?一个是臭名昭著。另一个就是档位越多,箱子越长,没法横置。实 : 际上它那个散热的问题也是出在这个长度的限制上。现在大家都是7档往上,本田靠修 : 修补补实在玩不下去了。 : 当年的本田当然不错,现在什么样其实明眼人也看得到。s2000的箱子是爱信的,那可 : 是丰田系的骨干。这还只是手动的箱子。 : 至于什么质量改善,我当年的07 odyssey三万麦就jerk,每两次换机油换一次变速油, : 撑到8万trade in了9000刀。其间2600刀换两个engine mount,1400刀两个滑动门轴。 : 助力转向换两次,CD机三次。三次前刹车盘。trade ind时候又有一个engine mount不
| b******7 发帖数: 8200 | 10 GM帮忙设计的,当然是GM的思路了
【在 X***9 的大作中提到】 : : 大哥您国内论坛看多了吧? : 你可以去看所有aisin变速箱的应用列表里有没有半个本田的名字? : 我想你是指az6吧 : 那么他有以下应用 : Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster, : Mazda RX-8, : Toyota Altezza : Lexus IS200, : Toyota 86
| | | X***9 发帖数: 7385 | 11
那也可以说本田造汽车也是别人的思路了,因为本田没有发明汽车。
【在 b******7 的大作中提到】 : GM帮忙设计的,当然是GM的思路了
| m***7 发帖数: 383 | 12 你个买车的懂什么叫patent citation吧。回去查查他们都用了谁的过期专利。
本田设计了s2000的变速,谁做的?
【在 X***9 的大作中提到】 : : 那也可以说本田造汽车也是别人的思路了,因为本田没有发明汽车。
| d******e 发帖数: 7844 | 13 Mazda 6-speed transmission, Made by Asin, code AZ6
Other models using a variation of this trans:
Honda S2000 (AP1 confirmed, AP2 unsure) , Mazda Miata/MX-5/Roadster, Mazda
RX-8 (MkI for sure, MkII not sure), Toyota Altezza/Lexus IS200
Various Ratio's availiable:
关于S2000的Tranmission,网上的消息很多,你咋知道你说的一定是真的... ...
你所说的列表无非也是wiki的,那个列表被改动了N多次,之前就有版本把S2000列上去
了。
而且S2000还有AP1和AP2之分,AP2对之前的设计做了很大的改动,变速箱可能是基于
AZ6开发的(网上也有很多人这么说)。AP1用AZ6也没什么不可能的。AZ6本身是个性价
比非常高的变速箱,用到S2000也没啥不正常的。
【在 X***9 的大作中提到】 : : 那也可以说本田造汽车也是别人的思路了,因为本田没有发明汽车。
| T*U 发帖数: 22634 | 14 是Harvardthief
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】 : 这个是foxbat马甲?
| X***9 发帖数: 7385 | 15
15年前发表的,如果有问题早被喜欢賺本田钱的律师告了
Honda S2000 -- Transmission
9/15/2000 4:18:21 PM
6-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION
OVERVIEW
Honda engineers designed an entirely new close-ratio, 6-speed manual
transmission for the S2000. A limited-slip differential was chosen to ensure
continuous application of power to the rear wheels, especially when
cornering. The transmission and entire drivetrain are designed to be highly
rigid and as compact and lightweight as possible, making the vehicle more
responsive to driver input and increasing the driver's enjoyment and feel
for the car.
LONGITUDINALLY MOUNTED 6-SPEED MANUAL TRANSMISSION
In the S2000 transmission, all six speeds and reverse are on two parallel
shafts. Both transmission shafts are coupled at the output end, a design
feature borrowed from Honda's front-wheel-drive transmissions. This reduces
the load on the gear synchronizers by as much as 40 percent. Shift loads are
also reduced, making shifting easier.
The use of double-cone synchronizers for first, third and fourth gears, and
triple-cone synchronizers for second gear, helps reduce shift effort.
Reverse gear uses single-cone synchronizers for smoother shifting and
quieter operation.
TRANSMISSION GEAR RATIOS
First Gear:
3.133
Second Gear:
2.045
Third Gear:
1.481
Fourth Gear:
1.161
Fifth Gear:
0.970
Sixth Gear:
0.810
Reverse Gear:
2.800
Primary Gear Reduction:
1.160
Final Drive:
4.100
SHORT-STROKE, DIRECT SHIFT LINKAGE
The transmission shift linkage is mounted on the top of the transmission
case, helping to eliminate play in the linkage and provide optimum feel when
changing gears. Shift throws are short and direct. Shift detents and
lateral-spring pressure are set so that the shift-lever neutral position
lies on the 3rd-gear/4th-gear axis.
The shift lever is aluminum alloy and floats in a rubber mounting that
absorbs vibration. Reverse-gear lockout is a mechanical type, which can be
released by pressing the shift lever to the side.
SEPARATE LUBRICATION PUMP ENHANCES DURABILITY
Racing experience taught Honda engineers that high-performance transmissions
need a separate lubrication system, so the S2000 manual transmission has
its own lubrication pump, driven off the transmission secondary gear. The
pump provides positive and reliable lubrication, regardless of G-loading,
and helps to prolong gear and synchronizer life.
LOW-MASS POWERTRAIN
When cornering a high-performance, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive roadster,
throttle input can be used as a means of fine-tuning vehicle control. For
this reason, Honda engineers wanted to keep the S2000 powertrain's entire
rotational mass to a minimum, thereby minimizing inertia, and the response
time between driver input and vehicle reaction. In order to accomplish this,
many components, such as the clutch, flywheel (20% lighter than the Accord
engine's flywheel), propeller shaft, axle shafts and constant-velocity
joints have had weight carefully removed.
COMPACT HEAVY-DUTY, PULL-TYPE CLUTCH
In addition to reducing the size and mass of the engine flywheel and
transmission gears, Honda engineers adopted a pull-type clutch mechanism and
reinforced friction materials better suited to the high-rpm nature of the
powertrain.
LOW-VIBRATION PROPELLER SHAFT
The propeller shaft that takes power to the rear differential in the S2000
is a strong, one-piece design. To reduce noise and vibration from the shaft,
which can turn up to 9000 rpm, Honda engineers specified sliding, constant-
velocity joints at both ends, instead of the more common U-joints. Constant-
velocity joints also transmit power more uniformly over a range of angles.
LIMITED-SLIP DIFFERENTIAL
The Torsen limited-slip differential (clutchless type) used in the S2000 is
specifically adapted for high power output and automatically transmits drive
torque to the wheel and tire with the most traction, thereby limiting wheel
spin.
ONE-PIECE, HIGHLY RIGID AXLE SHAFTS
Power is transmitted from the differential to the rear wheels via a set of
rigid, one-piece axle shafts. The shafts' increased level of rigidity
improves the powertrain's response to throttle input.
【在 m***7 的大作中提到】 : 你个买车的懂什么叫patent citation吧。回去查查他们都用了谁的过期专利。 : 本田设计了s2000的变速,谁做的?
| l*********u 发帖数: 19053 | 16 honda专业发帖领钱的撒
【在 m***7 的大作中提到】 : 还他妈与众不同的变速设计。当年GM发明自动变速就是两轴设计,一直到六十年代都是 : 主流。本田最早的自动变速箱就是抄gm。 : 为什么现在不用了?一个是臭名昭著。另一个就是档位越多,箱子越长,没法横置。实 : 际上它那个散热的问题也是出在这个长度的限制上。现在大家都是7档往上,本田靠修 : 修补补实在玩不下去了。 : 当年的本田当然不错,现在什么样其实明眼人也看得到。s2000的箱子是爱信的,那可 : 是丰田系的骨干。这还只是手动的箱子。 : 至于什么质量改善,我当年的07 odyssey三万麦就jerk,每两次换机油换一次变速油, : 撑到8万trade in了9000刀。其间2600刀换两个engine mount,1400刀两个滑动门轴。 : 助力转向换两次,CD机三次。三次前刹车盘。trade ind时候又有一个engine mount不
| f*****n 发帖数: 18176 | 17 engine mount这么贵?
【在 h*h 的大作中提到】 : 语言要文明,现在车班流行新词碧莲
| B**X 发帖数: 1452 | 18 你现在开啥车?
【在 m***7 的大作中提到】 : 还他妈与众不同的变速设计。当年GM发明自动变速就是两轴设计,一直到六十年代都是 : 主流。本田最早的自动变速箱就是抄gm。 : 为什么现在不用了?一个是臭名昭著。另一个就是档位越多,箱子越长,没法横置。实 : 际上它那个散热的问题也是出在这个长度的限制上。现在大家都是7档往上,本田靠修 : 修补补实在玩不下去了。 : 当年的本田当然不错,现在什么样其实明眼人也看得到。s2000的箱子是爱信的,那可 : 是丰田系的骨干。这还只是手动的箱子。 : 至于什么质量改善,我当年的07 odyssey三万麦就jerk,每两次换机油换一次变速油, : 撑到8万trade in了9000刀。其间2600刀换两个engine mount,1400刀两个滑动门轴。 : 助力转向换两次,CD机三次。三次前刹车盘。trade ind时候又有一个engine mount不
| f****t 发帖数: 15913 | 19 本田奥德塞上容易坏的engine mount比不容易坏的贵多了,能从自己的错误渔利,本田
是个好商人
【在 f*****n 的大作中提到】 : engine mount这么贵?
| f*****n 发帖数: 18176 | 20 太黑了。搞得跟贵金属做的一样
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】 : 本田奥德塞上容易坏的engine mount比不容易坏的贵多了,能从自己的错误渔利,本田 : 是个好商人
| l*****n 发帖数: 517 | |
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