a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 1 哪位专家来说说？似乎现在espn整天吹捧普猴子。 |
G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 2 其实挺惨的，估计很多人都觉得吃药了
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 哪位专家来说说？似乎现在espn整天吹捧普猴子。
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 3 至少现在还没查出来么。可能是新药？
【在 G******f 的大作中提到】
: 其实挺惨的，估计很多人都觉得吃药了
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G******f
发帖数: 16223 | 4 魔高一尺祷告一张阿
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 至少现在还没查出来么。可能是新药？
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 5 如果不考虑这个，只从数据看呢？
【在 G******f 的大作中提到】
: 魔高一尺祷告一张阿
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 6 最近吹上天了把
搞个什么top 100 baseball player都排第一那种
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 哪位专家来说说？似乎现在espn整天吹捧普猴子。
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 7 是挺牛
.300+, 30+ HR, 100+ RBI
而且每年都是
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 如果不考虑这个，只从数据看呢？
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 8 对啊，所以我想问问。
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: 最近吹上天了把
: 搞个什么top 100 baseball player都排第一那种
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 9 新封面男孩
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 哪位专家来说说？似乎现在espn整天吹捧普猴子。
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c********x
发帖数: 232 | 10 俺不是专家。
俺觉得牛的程度和Bonds，Arod一样。
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 如果不考虑这个，只从数据看呢？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 11 forget about drug issues
Pujols is in the same level as Bonds, both better than Arod
the difference between Pujols/Bonds and Arod is similar to that between
Arod and an average all star player
You can tell this from their carrer OPS+
【在 c********x 的大作中提到】
: 俺不是专家。
: 俺觉得牛的程度和Bonds，Arod一样。
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 12 both career NL players. In this year's allstar game, we all
again saw how pathetic NL pitching was.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: forget about drug issues
: Pujols is in the same level as Bonds, both better than Arod
: the difference between Pujols/Bonds and Arod is similar to that between
: Arod and an average all star player
: You can tell this from their carrer OPS+
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 13 OPS+ has corrected the league difference, you should know that
I dont know Bonds, Pujols's carrer OPS in his interleague games is similar
to
his carrer stats
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: both career NL players. In this year's allstar game, we all
: again saw how pathetic NL pitching was.
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 14 I never trust this kind of "corrected" stats. It's similar to
the ridiculous "clutch" stat the moron posted the other day,
though not that extreme.
One typical example, many teams trade their best hitter or
best pitcher in July. That single trade affects the so-called
"park factor" of other players. How can you claim Adam LaRoche would
have the same OPS+ last year no matter Bay was traded or not?
Also, players don't play all other teams with the same number of
games. It's funny to say OPS+ is fa
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: OPS+ has corrected the league difference, you should know that
: I dont know Bonds, Pujols's carrer OPS in his interleague games is similar
: to
: his carrer stats
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c********x
发帖数: 232 | 15 Arod已经有足够的数据支持了。棒球这个东西，longevity是个问题。谁都说不好Pujol
s能不能到500HR，虽然现在看起来是一定。
对于击手，防守也是很重要的一环。这个Pujols和Bonds和Arod都差的很远。要是非要分
出高下，我还是觉得Bonds最强。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: forget about drug issues
: Pujols is in the same level as Bonds, both better than Arod
: the difference between Pujols/Bonds and Arod is similar to that between
: Arod and an average all star player
: You can tell this from their carrer OPS+
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 16 while, OPS+ is the best we can compare in baseball
otherwise, how can people judge, just by feeling?
even just comparing OPS
Pujols has a career OPS 1.057,and a interleague career OPS 1.099 in 545 PA
Bonds has a career OPS 1.051, and a interleague career OPS 1.153 in 631 PA
they both have slightly better OPS against AL pitchers in meaningful PA
counts
Arod has a career OPS 0.967, and a interleague career OPS 0.932 in 946 PA
he does not seem to do better against NL pathetic pitchers
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: I never trust this kind of "corrected" stats. It's similar to
: the ridiculous "clutch" stat the moron posted the other day,
: though not that extreme.
: One typical example, many teams trade their best hitter or
: best pitcher in July. That single trade affects the so-called
: "park factor" of other players. How can you claim Adam LaRoche would
: have the same OPS+ last year no matter Bay was traded or not?
: Also, players don't play all other teams with the same number of
: games. It's funny to say OPS+ is fa
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 17 You know what? Many players even managers just don't care about
interleague games. ARod and Bonds generally get rested after
the 7th or even the 6th inning in a slaughter, which is the best
time to accumulate some more hits. Yankees happen to have a lot of
such games.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: while, OPS+ is the best we can compare in baseball
: otherwise, how can people judge, just by feeling?
: even just comparing OPS
: Pujols has a career OPS 1.057,and a interleague career OPS 1.099 in 545 PA
: Bonds has a career OPS 1.051, and a interleague career OPS 1.153 in 631 PA
: they both have slightly better OPS against AL pitchers in meaningful PA
: counts
: Arod has a career OPS 0.967, and a interleague career OPS 0.932 in 946 PA
: he does not seem to do better against NL pathetic pitchers
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 18 ps: just noticed you were quoting OPS for these players, while
you were talking about OPS+.
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: while, OPS+ is the best we can compare in baseball
: otherwise, how can people judge, just by feeling?
: even just comparing OPS
: Pujols has a career OPS 1.057,and a interleague career OPS 1.099 in 545 PA
: Bonds has a career OPS 1.051, and a interleague career OPS 1.153 in 631 PA
: they both have slightly better OPS against AL pitchers in meaningful PA
: counts
: Arod has a career OPS 0.967, and a interleague career OPS 0.932 in 946 PA
: he does not seem to do better against NL pathetic pitchers
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 19 I did not find their OPS+ for their interleague games
OPS+ is the best we can use to compare MLB players
I was not using the OPS stats to compare them
it was just used to indicate that each of them has similar stats against Al/
NL
pitchers. so the league difference is really minimal when comparing them
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: ps: just noticed you were quoting OPS for these players, while
: you were talking about OPS+.
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 20 As I said, Pujols generally plays all 9 innings regardless of the score.
When the opponent's bullpen is exhausted, ARod generally rests in the
dugout. Also, the "league average" is just a joke. Other than the Prior-
KWood era and some second halves only of Astros pitching, throughout
the career of Pujols, hasn't NLC consistently been the worst pitching
divisions among the 6 divisions? Yes, Carpenter makes that division
look better, but Pujols never faces him.
Pujols enjoys Pirates and Reds every
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: I did not find their OPS+ for their interleague games
: OPS+ is the best we can use to compare MLB players
: I was not using the OPS stats to compare them
: it was just used to indicate that each of them has similar stats against Al/
: NL
: pitchers. so the league difference is really minimal when comparing them
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 21 A-rod打了很多年SS，我说还是A-rod更牛。
当然，嗑药不嗑药另说。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: forget about drug issues
: Pujols is in the same level as Bonds, both better than Arod
: the difference between Pujols/Bonds and Arod is similar to that between
: Arod and an average all star player
: You can tell this from their carrer OPS+
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 22 I don't think OPS+ is corrected between leagues...
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: OPS+ has corrected the league difference, you should know that
: I dont know Bonds, Pujols's carrer OPS in his interleague games is similar
: to
: his carrer stats
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n****e
发帖数: 1677 | 23 什么时候有证据证明扑后四磕药了再来比,否则死挺扑后四.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 哪位专家来说说？似乎现在espn整天吹捧普猴子。
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 24 ESPN的那帮人比较白痴。
Like someone had said earlier in this thread, longevity is very important in
baseball too. Pujols still has a long way to go to be considered/compared
with big boys yet. |
q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 25 开玩笑？你说的这些big boys是户？
in
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
: ESPN的那帮人比较白痴。
: Like someone had said earlier in this thread, longevity is very important in
: baseball too. Pujols still has a long way to go to be considered/compared
: with big boys yet.
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 26
Like ARod and Bonds yah.
Both of them played a lot longer than Pujols.
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 开玩笑？你说的这些big boys是户？
:
: in
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h*****p
发帖数: 2638 | 27 铺后现在退役，能不能HOF？
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 开玩笑？你说的这些big boys是户？
:
: in
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 28 肯定不能。还没撑够10年。
【在 h*****p 的大作中提到】
: 铺后现在退役，能不能HOF？
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h*********r
发帖数: 10182 | 29 铺后是一垒，arod是ss.
一般这两位置的power差别还是很大的。一垒多是大炮，ss要灵巧。 |
k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 30 火星来了？
Arod还ss呢
你把鸡队长放哪儿？
【在 h*********r 的大作中提到】
: 铺后是一垒，arod是ss.
: 一般这两位置的power差别还是很大的。一垒多是大炮，ss要灵巧。
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 31 arod来yankee之前打ss
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: 火星来了？
: Arod还ss呢
: 你把鸡队长放哪儿？
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 32 鸡队长早该去2B呆着了。。。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: 火星来了？
: Arod还ss呢
: 你把鸡队长放哪儿？
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 33 都5年过去了
就别念念不忘了
他就是3B，而且也不会回ss了
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: arod来yankee之前打ss
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 34 鸡队长就算去了2B
Arod也回不了ss
他现在那体形已经不能打ss了
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 鸡队长早该去2B呆着了。。。
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 35 嗯，现在是没用了。
当初秧鸡如果有个3B的prospect而没有Cano的话，估计就另当别论了。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: 鸡队长就算去了2B
: Arod也回不了ss
: 他现在那体形已经不能打ss了
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 36 不一定，所以还得再干几年
【在 h*****p 的大作中提到】
: 铺后现在退役，能不能HOF？
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m*m
发帖数: 260 | 37 Arod当时照样嗑药，5年后还是膨胀。殊途同归。
【在 B*****t 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，现在是没用了。
: 当初秧鸡如果有个3B的prospect而没有Cano的话，估计就另当别论了。
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 38
至少得15年吧。
现在才打了几年。。。
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 不一定，所以还得再干几年
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q**u
发帖数: 12289 | 39 十年优异差不多了
【在 a*****i 的大作中提到】
:
: 至少得15年吧。
: 现在才打了几年。。。
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B*****t
发帖数: 3012 | 40 10年是最低限。现行规则作为球员参选，除非是Negro Leaguer，否则大联盟没打到10
年的是没有候选资格的。
Pujols这个数据实在太猛，只要明年他随便出来晃一下，应该就稳进HOF了。
【在 q**u 的大作中提到】
: 十年优异差不多了
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 41 but A-rod was a better SS than Derek though【 在 kafen (Tiffany & Co) 的大作
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