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Baseball版 - Last year all over again for Joe's pitching management
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话题: cc话题: joe话题: aj话题: verlander话题: nyy
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o******s
发帖数: 416
1
去年用季后赛用最稳定胜场最多的投手Andy P去死拼年轻好几岁的球队克星Cliff Lee
今年在Rotation拿不出手的情况下只让CC出场一次并且客场死拼年度最佳Verlander.
自己有个和绝大多数投手对阵有很大把握取胜的ace,却让他去死拼一场may go either
way的比赛。
一旦拼输,等着让“唯一稳定的就是不稳定”的AJ和first year rookie扭转乾坤?牛
逼的战术。
至于bullpen的调用就更无敌了,主场的比赛Garcia面对联盟avg leader打击手(并且
还从他手里打出homer)垒上两人人的时候就是不换,丢了2分,然后第九节换上Ayala
,再丢1分。追个P啊,直接投降了算了。说什么Garcia投的好,可人家对面的nearly
no hitter的投手在养鸡要起势的时候不是说换下就换下去就把优势保住了?Joe的理论
是留着以后用,so
Let's credit Shrewd Joe for thinking 100 innings into the future: April 2012.
S*******r
发帖数: 1560
2
这玩意太成败论英雄了吧。。。直接放了这一场,后面两场就保证都拿?CC和
Verlander今天也都没少丢分,比Nova和Scherzer都多,实战可能性太多了。而且更重
要的是,观众要看Ace对决。
Garcia那个,他才投了70球,跟换下去100多球的Scherzer这种正常调度怎么比。。。

Lee
either
Ayala

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 去年用季后赛用最稳定胜场最多的投手Andy P去死拼年轻好几岁的球队克星Cliff Lee
: 今年在Rotation拿不出手的情况下只让CC出场一次并且客场死拼年度最佳Verlander.
: 自己有个和绝大多数投手对阵有很大把握取胜的ace,却让他去死拼一场may go either
: way的比赛。
: 一旦拼输,等着让“唯一稳定的就是不稳定”的AJ和first year rookie扭转乾坤?牛
: 逼的战术。
: 至于bullpen的调用就更无敌了,主场的比赛Garcia面对联盟avg leader打击手(并且
: 还从他手里打出homer)垒上两人人的时候就是不换,丢了2分,然后第九节换上Ayala
: ,再丢1分。追个P啊,直接投降了算了。说什么Garcia投的好,可人家对面的nearly
: no hitter的投手在养鸡要起势的时候不是说换下就换下去就把优势保住了?Joe的理论

A**d
发帖数: 13310
3
CC has a postseason record of 5W, 4L, ERA4.4. Excluding the games
against always choking Twins, the record would be more mediocre.
You think that's "和绝大多数投手对阵有很大把握取胜的ace"?

Lee
either
Ayala

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 去年用季后赛用最稳定胜场最多的投手Andy P去死拼年轻好几岁的球队克星Cliff Lee
: 今年在Rotation拿不出手的情况下只让CC出场一次并且客场死拼年度最佳Verlander.
: 自己有个和绝大多数投手对阵有很大把握取胜的ace,却让他去死拼一场may go either
: way的比赛。
: 一旦拼输,等着让“唯一稳定的就是不稳定”的AJ和first year rookie扭转乾坤?牛
: 逼的战术。
: 至于bullpen的调用就更无敌了,主场的比赛Garcia面对联盟avg leader打击手(并且
: 还从他手里打出homer)垒上两人人的时候就是不换,丢了2分,然后第九节换上Ayala
: ,再丢1分。追个P啊,直接投降了算了。说什么Garcia投的好,可人家对面的nearly
: no hitter的投手在养鸡要起势的时候不是说换下就换下去就把优势保住了?Joe的理论

o******s
发帖数: 416
4
是有点儿,但是Joe的理论怎么最后总是fail呢?运气好差哦~
其实要是问任何一个中立球迷,V强还是cc强?那肯定全票支持V吧。换做养鸡球迷,估
计一半对一半,投cc一票的估计很多也都是“无条件”支持。
实战差不多也就体现了正常的差距,虽然都被打了4分,但是其实两边hit都不算很多,
不过Verlander扛到了第8节,另外cc还是客场,Verlander did have the edge in
this game.
其实当第一场rain out的时候我就觉得养鸡机会来了,因为老虎确定是4-man rotation
,所以只会面对Verlander一次,也就是即便是cc出场也很难赢的比赛只有一场,而cc是
头血牛,提出过投Game 2(and maybe 5 if needed)。。。

【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意太成败论英雄了吧。。。直接放了这一场,后面两场就保证都拿?CC和
: Verlander今天也都没少丢分,比Nova和Scherzer都多,实战可能性太多了。而且更重
: 要的是,观众要看Ace对决。
: Garcia那个,他才投了70球,跟换下去100多球的Scherzer这种正常调度怎么比。。。
:
: Lee
: either
: Ayala

A**d
发帖数: 13310
5
The only Yankees SP capable of facing playoff games is Nova.
Yanks should feel lucky that they haven't faced 3 Rangers lefties,
so don't second guess Joe's decision could make huge difference.

rotation
更重
。。

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 是有点儿,但是Joe的理论怎么最后总是fail呢?运气好差哦~
: 其实要是问任何一个中立球迷,V强还是cc强?那肯定全票支持V吧。换做养鸡球迷,估
: 计一半对一半,投cc一票的估计很多也都是“无条件”支持。
: 实战差不多也就体现了正常的差距,虽然都被打了4分,但是其实两边hit都不算很多,
: 不过Verlander扛到了第8节,另外cc还是客场,Verlander did have the edge in
: this game.
: 其实当第一场rain out的时候我就觉得养鸡机会来了,因为老虎确定是4-man rotation
: ,所以只会面对Verlander一次,也就是即便是cc出场也很难赢的比赛只有一场,而cc是
: 头血牛,提出过投Game 2(and maybe 5 if needed)。。。

o******s
发帖数: 416
6
well, he was the MVP in ALCS 2009, wasn't he?

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: CC has a postseason record of 5W, 4L, ERA4.4. Excluding the games
: against always choking Twins, the record would be more mediocre.
: You think that's "和绝大多数投手对阵有很大把握取胜的ace"?
:
: Lee
: either
: Ayala

A**d
发帖数: 13310
7
By beating John Lackey and KAZMIR, even though ARod hit 3HRs.
No playoff lineup is scared of CC, period.

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: well, he was the MVP in ALCS 2009, wasn't he?
o******s
发帖数: 416
8
2011 NYY team batting
vs Det .265
vs TEX .298

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: The only Yankees SP capable of facing playoff games is Nova.
: Yanks should feel lucky that they haven't faced 3 Rangers lefties,
: so don't second guess Joe's decision could make huge difference.
:
: rotation
: 更重
: 。。

A**d
发帖数: 13310
9
You don't even know Arlington? By the way, great sample. The fact is
Rangers had a 38:19 combined score in 2010 ALCS, and Cliff Lee pitched
only one game.

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 2011 NYY team batting
: vs Det .265
: vs TEX .298

o******s
发帖数: 416
10
Garcia and Scherzer were pulled out in different innings.
in 9th, why Ayala? How many (not leading)games in reg seasons turned out to
be wins when Logon+Wade+Ayala were sent out?

【在 S*******r 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意太成败论英雄了吧。。。直接放了这一场,后面两场就保证都拿?CC和
: Verlander今天也都没少丢分,比Nova和Scherzer都多,实战可能性太多了。而且更重
: 要的是,观众要看Ace对决。
: Garcia那个,他才投了70球,跟换下去100多球的Scherzer这种正常调度怎么比。。。
:
: Lee
: either
: Ayala

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A**d
发帖数: 13310
11
You've seen what Valverde can do in a real save situation. With the
undependable CC against Verlander, I'd also sent Ayala to save bullpen
for game 3 if I were Joe.

to

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: Garcia and Scherzer were pulled out in different innings.
: in 9th, why Ayala? How many (not leading)games in reg seasons turned out to
: be wins when Logon+Wade+Ayala were sent out?

o******s
发帖数: 416
12
Glad you brought out the scores stats
Pls notices there were 6 scores in 9th blowout in Game3 counted in 38
Also only 2 ER from Andy P(the least out of NYY rotation) meanwhile Lee kept
NYY scoreless; 7 ERs from AJ+Logon, both of which perfectly made my point.

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: You don't even know Arlington? By the way, great sample. The fact is
: Rangers had a 38:19 combined score in 2010 ALCS, and Cliff Lee pitched
: only one game.

o******s
发帖数: 416
13
I never said Joe's theory was totally wrong. He is good at managing teams
but not games. This is widely accepted argument among NYY fans.

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: You've seen what Valverde can do in a real save situation. With the
: undependable CC against Verlander, I'd also sent Ayala to save bullpen
: for game 3 if I were Joe.
:
: to

A**d
发帖数: 13310
14
CC game 1, 4 innings, 6H, 4BB, 5ER. Better than AJ? LOL. I agree
he's a good choice for that right field joke, but that's about it.
There are tons of better pitchers.

kept

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: Glad you brought out the scores stats
: Pls notices there were 6 scores in 9th blowout in Game3 counted in 38
: Also only 2 ER from Andy P(the least out of NYY rotation) meanwhile Lee kept
: NYY scoreless; 7 ERs from AJ+Logon, both of which perfectly made my point.

o******s
发帖数: 416
15
that's what I said in the first place, V's bigger than CC. When you have CC
can play 2 games after reschedule, why use him only once to face Verlander?
In playoffs, Andy is better than CC and AJ, why made maybe the only shot of
him to face Cliff Lee?

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: CC game 1, 4 innings, 6H, 4BB, 5ER. Better than AJ? LOL. I agree
: he's a good choice for that right field joke, but that's about it.
: There are tons of better pitchers.
:
: kept

A**d
发帖数: 13310
16
Why use CC only once? Because if Yanks had to use CC for game 2 and 5,
then the chane against Rangers in ALCS would be even slimmer. Joe's job
is to win WS, not ALDS.

CC
of

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: that's what I said in the first place, V's bigger than CC. When you have CC
: can play 2 games after reschedule, why use him only once to face Verlander?
: In playoffs, Andy is better than CC and AJ, why made maybe the only shot of
: him to face Cliff Lee?

a***n
发帖数: 5665
17
CC只休息一天投game 2? 找死啊。

rotation

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 是有点儿,但是Joe的理论怎么最后总是fail呢?运气好差哦~
: 其实要是问任何一个中立球迷,V强还是cc强?那肯定全票支持V吧。换做养鸡球迷,估
: 计一半对一半,投cc一票的估计很多也都是“无条件”支持。
: 实战差不多也就体现了正常的差距,虽然都被打了4分,但是其实两边hit都不算很多,
: 不过Verlander扛到了第8节,另外cc还是客场,Verlander did have the edge in
: this game.
: 其实当第一场rain out的时候我就觉得养鸡机会来了,因为老虎确定是4-man rotation
: ,所以只会面对Verlander一次,也就是即便是cc出场也很难赢的比赛只有一场,而cc是
: 头血牛,提出过投Game 2(and maybe 5 if needed)。。。

o******s
发帖数: 416
18
Fair enough, but lose DS, not even mention WS.
Like rays, they needed to give their best to beat Yankees to at least have
the chance to play in playoffs.
Better than rays, there is always home advantage before entering WS.
Especially if you don't have enough pitching support, try to make sure to
lock the games you have edges to win should be the strategy.
CC vs Verlander in Detroit? no edge
2011 AJ vs anybody? Only God knows
The lineup is almost fix, only thing Joe can control is the rotation. When
he cannot control his key players getting older/injured, you need to smart
enough to "manage" what you can control to make a way out of it.

【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: Why use CC only once? Because if Yanks had to use CC for game 2 and 5,
: then the chane against Rangers in ALCS would be even slimmer. Joe's job
: is to win WS, not ALDS.
:
: CC
: of

y**o
发帖数: 925
19
兄弟,说这些都没用,永远不要认为我们这些半吊子球迷比人家吃这碗饭的专业人士还
NB.
输给底特律,基本就是技不如人,投手实力本来不行,唯一的机会就在打线,又打不出
来,结果这样基本是公平的。

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: Fair enough, but lose DS, not even mention WS.
: Like rays, they needed to give their best to beat Yankees to at least have
: the chance to play in playoffs.
: Better than rays, there is always home advantage before entering WS.
: Especially if you don't have enough pitching support, try to make sure to
: lock the games you have edges to win should be the strategy.
: CC vs Verlander in Detroit? no edge
: 2011 AJ vs anybody? Only God knows
: The lineup is almost fix, only thing Joe can control is the rotation. When
: he cannot control his key players getting older/injured, you need to smart

o******s
发帖数: 416
20
Both cc and verlander volunteered

【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: CC只休息一天投game 2? 找死啊。
:
: rotation

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o******s
发帖数: 416
21
Agree. But rainout limiting Verlander to 1 game and home advantage gave NYY
a chance.
输也分输法,没有利用好自己的优势,不能全怪打击投手不给力。
看AJ了今天

【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: 兄弟,说这些都没用,永远不要认为我们这些半吊子球迷比人家吃这碗饭的专业人士还
: NB.
: 输给底特律,基本就是技不如人,投手实力本来不行,唯一的机会就在打线,又打不出
: 来,结果这样基本是公平的。

y**o
发帖数: 925
22
本来样机的一点小优势就是CC和Nova投四场,不上AJ。
现在Verlander投一场,导致CC,Nova投三场(如果有第五场),AJ必须投一场。
如果要赛马,就是CC投第四场,AJ投第三场。
可是棒球的偶然因素太多,昨天也不是没机会的,输了就是输了。

NYY

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: Agree. But rainout limiting Verlander to 1 game and home advantage gave NYY
: a chance.
: 输也分输法,没有利用好自己的优势,不能全怪打击投手不给力。
: 看AJ了今天

o******s
发帖数: 416
23
而且裁判的好球带也很诡异

【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: 本来样机的一点小优势就是CC和Nova投四场,不上AJ。
: 现在Verlander投一场,导致CC,Nova投三场(如果有第五场),AJ必须投一场。
: 如果要赛马,就是CC投第四场,AJ投第三场。
: 可是棒球的偶然因素太多,昨天也不是没机会的,输了就是输了。
:
: NYY

y**o
发帖数: 925
24
周六大,昨天小,对吧。
这个东西就跟足球里面裁判判罚的松和严一样,即便是对两个队一样的尺度,双方受益
程度也不一样,不过,只要尺度一样,也就没那么多抱怨的了。

【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: 而且裁判的好球带也很诡异
o******s
发帖数: 416
25
well, it actually relatively depends on the different construction of
lineups.
big shifting of strikezone between vs LHH and vs RHH
and NYY has 6 lefties while Tigers had 1 lefty, plus 2 ABs from Don Kelly.
see http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/10/04/im-normally-not-an-ump-basher-but/

【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: 周六大,昨天小,对吧。
: 这个东西就跟足球里面裁判判罚的松和严一样,即便是对两个队一样的尺度,双方受益
: 程度也不一样,不过,只要尺度一样,也就没那么多抱怨的了。

H*******o
发帖数: 504
26
这个好球区在对左打时会偏移是普遍现象,没啥好稀奇的。扬基打线左打太多不是众所
周知么?这也是为什么一直被李克制。但是另一方面扬基球场的右外野...所以总的来
讲,在对手没有强左投的情况下,优势应该是在扬基一边,就像楼上说的,如果对游骑
兵更是够呛。
不明白扬基饭抱怨个啥,如果连porcello都爆不了,教练再神也没戏



【在 o******s 的大作中提到】
: well, it actually relatively depends on the different construction of
: lineups.
: big shifting of strikezone between vs LHH and vs RHH
: and NYY has 6 lefties while Tigers had 1 lefty, plus 2 ABs from Don Kelly.
: see http://itsaboutthemoney.net/archives/2011/10/04/im-normally-not-an-ump-basher-but/

y**o
发帖数: 925
27
爆不了Porcello也是正常的,这就叫,除了AJ,任何一个野百合都有春天。

【在 H*******o 的大作中提到】
: 这个好球区在对左打时会偏移是普遍现象,没啥好稀奇的。扬基打线左打太多不是众所
: 周知么?这也是为什么一直被李克制。但是另一方面扬基球场的右外野...所以总的来
: 讲,在对手没有强左投的情况下,优势应该是在扬基一边,就像楼上说的,如果对游骑
: 兵更是够呛。
: 不明白扬基饭抱怨个啥,如果连porcello都爆不了,教练再神也没戏
:
:

o******s
发帖数: 416
28
就事论事,谁抱怨了?Comerica还pitcher friendly呢

【在 H*******o 的大作中提到】
: 这个好球区在对左打时会偏移是普遍现象,没啥好稀奇的。扬基打线左打太多不是众所
: 周知么?这也是为什么一直被李克制。但是另一方面扬基球场的右外野...所以总的来
: 讲,在对手没有强左投的情况下,优势应该是在扬基一边,就像楼上说的,如果对游骑
: 兵更是够呛。
: 不明白扬基饭抱怨个啥,如果连porcello都爆不了,教练再神也没戏
:
:

H*******o
发帖数: 504
29
take it easy on AJ, even Lackey can go a full month without losing...

【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: 爆不了Porcello也是正常的,这就叫,除了AJ,任何一个野百合都有春天。
o******s
发帖数: 416
30
是的,此帖涉及到的所有事情其实都是AJ下的一盘大棋而已

【在 H*******o 的大作中提到】
: take it easy on AJ, even Lackey can go a full month without losing...
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