P*******1
发帖数: 169 | 1 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
essence remains.
.................................
He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
really based on understanding. My questions like Can you explain your work
was completely useless and uninformative）.
I figured, well, I’m a Chinese PI, and at a mediocre university, wo CNS, so
I took him, and felt lucky. As he came, I went to the airport to pick him
up at midnight. I was about 10 minutes late, and the guy called my home 3 -4
times to rush me – strange. OK, no big deal. I gave him a small project to
start, held multiple discussion sessions. He supposedly had the background.
Two months passed, he had no idea what he needed to do. Was it my problem?
Don’t think so. Even my own second year grad student could do better - I
trained them. So it was clear he could not design expts, even after multiple
detailed discussions. Well, then how about “I design the overall plan, and
you design the details?”. Nope, that did not work either. Complete lack of
sense. OK, let’s teach him how to design expts, from the very basics. Went
through a few more sessions, gave him time to try it out. He came back with
blank sheets. No clue still. Then “I design everything and you do the
work”. That’s how he became a labor. Was he a good labor? Nope. I gave him
a Western blot to do. About two weeks later I remembered he had not talked
to me for a long time, and asked what happened to the blot. He gave me a
blank film. “What happened?” “No signal”. “I see there is no signal, I
’m asking if you have any clue why there is no signal?” The guy looked at
me, smiled a little, and did not even say a word. ‘How many times did you
try?” He smiled again, still no answer. May be he did not understand me? OK
, I asked him again in Chinese. Still just a little smile,
no answer. “You have to tell me how many times you have tried, not just
smile!” A little more upset now. “Once!” He got a little angry. “Once
after this, or once just means this one?” “This one”. “For two weeks,
you tried once, got no signal, and that was it?” “I did not know what to
do next”. “Couldn’t you even ask me then?” “ I thought you were too
busy and did not want to bother you to make you unhappy.” “You thought by
leaving it there for two weeks and doing no trouble-shooting would make me
happy?” I started thinking, but did not let it out “Even my first year
student doesn’t behave like that. You are even worse than my first year
student”. This and similar episodes went on, and I concluded that one just
CANNOT CARVE ON A ROTTEN PIECE OF WOOD.
Of course, it was my mistake to take him, but I did not want to continue the
mistake. I asked him to leave, without a 6 month internal deadline to be
sure he had a place to go (I was not really being purely kind to be honest,
I just did not want all the potential troubles due to conflict so I gave him
extra long time). He did not want to leave. Alright then, “you will just
have to do what I say”. But since then I expected him to spend 2x as much
time as my student. I thought it was fair. He didn’t need time to design
and trouble shooting. All he needed to do was to pipet. My student does most
of the designing and trouble shooting – so he needs time for that. Like a
lot other people in his kind of category, he felt I was being very unfair,
and was even discriminating him. So now he went around and started spreading
rumors how I unfair was and made him to more work than others. I wanted to
bring this up to make the point that for some people at least (actually a
lot of them in ordinary labs), there is a reason why they are labors rather
than regular post-docs and why their PIs expect to work harder than others
– simply because they are totally unqualified as post-docs.
This post-doc eventually left my lab, and since then he went through
multiple labs within several years, lasting less than two years in each lab.
The first lab he went to was a white american lab, but got kicked out
within 6 months! At least I let him stay for a year.
Not too surprisingly, he published no papers for all these years after
leaving my lab. I’m still wondering how he got those two SCI papers in his
home country.
FXXK, I wasted another 31 minutes! | a********k
发帖数: 2273 | 2 please be professional. He is simply your employee. It is a disaster to hire
a wrong person for a start-up like your lab. Don't expect too much from a
mediocre employee.
identity,
Now
so
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
| a***l
发帖数: 32 | 3 if you don't like him, you will find excuse.
if you like him, you will find a way. | I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 4 lol, you seem to enjoy embarrassing yourself. alas, wake up man
identity,
Now
so
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
| d********m
发帖数: 3662 | | a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 6 Yin du ren?
You were so unlucky to hire that kind of person. | F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 7 It might be better to blame your university instead of the post docs you
hired. Not many PIs from universe 1st class universities such as THU and
PKU blame their post docs. Who knows what kinds of university you are
working at.
I might have had the same problem. The universities I worked might be just
so bullshit that they could not hire real scientists as PIs. Wait a second,
where are real scientists, on Mars?
identity,
Now
so
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
| n***c
发帖数: 7400 | 8 是中国人，他文中提到，他换中文跟他讲话，那哥们仍然是笑了笑，高人啊，太淡定了。
【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: Yin du ren?
: You were so unlucky to hire that kind of person.
| G********e
发帖数: 528 | 9 因为年代不同
我的中文是聊qq练的
他估计不用qq
而且有可能拼音不标准
五笔就更别提了
【在 d********m 的大作中提到】
: 为啥打中文慢呢？不懂
| G********e
发帖数: 528 | 10 老农啊，
你真是那个薄厚的话
那这借刀杀人太狠了点
Fong被你弄惨了
可能还从不上bbs
哪天我看谁不顺眼，就来这招“反人肉” | | | b*******n
发帖数: 8420 | 11 how I unfair was and made him to more work than others.
这英语。。 | I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 12 duly stinky English show
can someone pm me this professor's name please? 15 baozi for you!
【在 b*******n 的大作中提到】
: how I unfair was and made him to more work than others.
: 这英语。。
| S**********e
发帖数: 1789 | 13 His name deserves 15 baozi?
【在 I*****y 的大作中提到】
: duly stinky English show
: can someone pm me this professor's name please? 15 baozi for you!
| s****9
发帖数: 932 | 14 我不是AP，也是苦postdoc一个。但看了他的帖子，觉得确实有些postdoc水平太差，年
级也大，坏习惯太多，training起来很难。我有些理解也同情他。
不光是biology research，任何一个行业，你努力了，希望做好一些事情，但一些没所
谓的人插进来，把事情搞的一团糟，耽误其他的人时间的同时还把人际关系搞的很复杂
，这确实是件很frustracting的事情。
这个帖子也反应了一个问题，因为pay的太低、工作时间长、前景不佳，有能力的人都
离开这个行业了（老婆本科班上前三名去名校的全部不做science了）。有一些能力还
很努力的去了老美的较好的实验室。学校一般，中国老板，也发不了CNS的老板要从剩
下的postdoc中要找到金子的，确实不容易。
做任何事情都是这样，人是最重要的。
person
factor
identity,
Now
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
| c********e
发帖数: 598 | 15
person
factor
identity,
Now
Do you know it is the time to use low salary to force smart people
out of the research field?
If STEM immigrant law had passed, you would have no chance to even find
a student or postdoc from China.
Can you just hire a technician with decent pay instead of postdoc?
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
| D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 16 正常人刚开始做事情总会犯错误的吧。这话不是说那个博后，是说新老板，犯错误自然
就是招错人或者用错人了。这很正常吧，当然损失会很大。
但是如果持续犯错误，建议去看看如何run a lab的书。 | c**********e
发帖数: 230 | 17 虽然看起来是他一千个不对，但是怎么这么多年的事了，还在说。
薄厚也是人，就像人有形形色色的，薄厚也是啊。不能一棍子都打死了吧。
不要因噎废食。 | A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 18 First, do not hire a post-doc with bad publication records. I'm more of a
chemist, my first post-doc hire has JACS from China. Btw, I'm not in a top
institution and I don't have any CNS. CNS is also over-rated, I have a drug
in phase I without CNS publication. If all smaller school faculties cannot
possibly produce good scientist, how do they get NIH R01 funds? Wake up
people! Is OHSU a good school? Who discovered Gleevec (not a NCS
publication) that NCI director based most of his talk on?
Second, you didn't talk to your post-doc for 2 weeks? How? I see my lab
people every day.
Third, if you are really a faculty, you should give your post-doc a project
so he can write a K award for. Set goals instead of work hours. It is true
, some post-docs are cutting their own throats, and likely won't be
successful in other fields either (they think they will be successful, trust
me, my family saw so many of these kind of people digging their own graves
through out the years). | I*****y
发帖数: 6402 | 19 his name is worth 0, but my curiosity is well worth the price tag 15 baozi.
【在 S**********e 的大作中提到】
: His name deserves 15 baozi?
| P******t
发帖数: 1717 | 20 你情商好像有问题，没事别总这么personal，今天你在五道口牛逼哄哄把人臊的一文不
名，改天你去王府井，没准发现人家摆好场子等着你呢。
10年前，15年前，班里学习倒着数，期期挂科，班里最不起眼的一些同学，现在的腰杆
和嗓门可以把这里当年的尖子生们羞愧的只能呆美国不回去。当然，您眼里只有科研兴
趣，其他的人和事都对您而言都是粪土。
person
factor
identity,
Now
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 打中文实在慢， 以下用英文.
: Below is a fiction based on a true story I heard. "I" represents the person
: who told me the story. Details are modified for confidentiality, but the
: essence remains.
: .................................
: He published 2 small SCI papers back in his home country (like impact factor
: 2ish. Not bad considering where he was coming from. To protect his identity,
: I will not reveal where he came from. I did have post-docs from multiple
: different countries.). I phone interviewed him, and he knew his work （Now
: I realize all he did was to keep memorizing what to say when asked, not
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