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Biology版 - 生男生女是随机事件吗?
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n**e
发帖数: 2026
1
在精子形成的最后一步减数分裂,男性两个染色体X和Y分离。如果带有Y染色体的精子
与卵子结合就是男孩,X染色体精子生女孩。一个卵子被X还是Y受孕,看起来应该是随
机事件。
但是,在生活中我们可以注意到,如果一对夫妻第一个生的是男孩,第二个也多半是男
孩。反过来也一样。也就是是说,同性别孩子家庭多于杂性别孩子家庭。这种现象就意
味着生男生女并不是随机事件。
如果大样本调查支持这种现象。生男生女的奥秘可能还是中医说对了。不是随机的。
D*a
发帖数: 6830
2
你自己看吧
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Hello, and welcome back to Animal
Behavior.
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When sexually reproducing animals
produce
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their offspring, they have a choice.
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They can produce either a son or a
daughter in any given reproductive event.
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In this lecture, we'll look at the
question of whether in certain
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circumstances it might pay parents to
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preferentially produce either a son or
daughter.
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Now for a long time it was assumed
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that in species with genetic sex
determination - animals like
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birds or mammals - that sex determination
was pretty random -
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that it couldn't really be influenced by
the parents.
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But we now know that a huge variety of
organisms, including birds
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and mammals are capable of
manipulating the sex of their offspring.
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And manipulating the sex in ways that
increase their fitness.
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To understand interesting patterns of sex
allocation we
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first have to understand why from an
evolutionary perspective,
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we expect investment in the two sexes to
be equal at the population level.
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Now at first, this seems rather counter-
intuitive. After all, if the
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sperm of a single male can fertilize lots
of different females,
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why not produce a sex ratio of say, 1 male
for every 10 females.
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Now we can see why that wouldn't work by
doing a thought experiment.
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Suppose we had a population in which there
were ten times as many females as males.
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Such a female bias sex ratio can't be
evolutionarily stable. Why?
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Well, because any parent that produces a
rare male will gain about ten times as
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much reproductive success
as any individual that produces a female.
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That's because this male can potentially
mate with on average,
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10 females,
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whereas each of these females can only
mate with this one male.
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As a consequence, any gene that causes
parents to
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produce a son, will rapidly spread through
the population,
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and the proportion of sons will steadily
increase to more than one in ten.
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But the converse is equally unstable.
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If there are ten males all competing to
fertilize the eggs of a single female,
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then daughters are going to have an
enormous
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fitness advantage because only one of
these ten males.
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Can fertilize the offspring that's
produced by this female.
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So even though this female can only
produce one offspring, each of these males
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has only a one in ten chance of being the
father of that offspring.
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So again, there's a ten fold advantage in
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terms of reproduction to females in this
situation.
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Both sexes will only have the same
reproductive success
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when the population sex ratio is exactly
one to one.
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Even tiny deviations from that ratio are
going to provide fitness
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advantages that'll favor bias towards the
sex that returns better fitness.
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This insight, that persistent sex ratio
bias
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of the population can't be stable,
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came from a famous theoretician by the
name of Ronald Fisher.
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And the way that Fisher expressed it was
that "the sex
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ratio will so adjust itself, under the
influence of natural selection,
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that the total parental expenditure
incurred in
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respect of children of each sex will be
equal.
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A nice way to test Fisher's theory is to
experimentally
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push the sex ratio away from parity and
then try and
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observe whether it evolves back to that
point.
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And you can do that in species that have
unusual
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forms of sex determination by manipulating
the frequency of the sex alleles.
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And this little fish for example, which is
called a Southern Platyfish,
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sex is determined by a single
genetic locus that has three alleles.
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There are three female genotypes and there
are two male genotypes.
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Alexandra Basolo showed
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that if the relative frequency of those alleles
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is changed - by setting up populations
with biased sex ratio -
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selection will favor the rarer sex, and
within
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a few generations the ratio swings back to
parity.
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So in this case here, if we start off with
a population that is female biased, that
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has a relatively low proportion of males.
As we go through the generations,
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the sex ratio quickly swings back to
parity.
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The same is true if we start with a
population that is quite male biased.
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So here we have a high proportion of
males, again,
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as we move through just a couple of
generations of reproduction,
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we end up with a population that
ends up back at parity.
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We can refine Fisher's argument by
rephrasing it in terms of the resources
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that are invested.
So far, we've implicitly assumed
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that daughters and sons are equally costly to
produce.
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But what if we imagine that sons are twice
as
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costly as daughters to produce, because
they're twice as big,
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and eat twice as much food while they're
developing?
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Now, when the sex ratio is one to one, a
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son has the same number of children as a
daughter.
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But because the sons are twice as costly
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to make, they're a bad investment for a
parent.
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Because each of the grandchildren that's
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produced here, is twice as expensive as
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the grandchildren that are produced by a
daughter.
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It should therefore pay parents to produce
daughters instead.
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We expect the sex ratio to swing toward
the female bias.
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And as that happens, the expected
reproductive success of a son will go up.
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Until the average son produces twice the
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number of grand offspring as the average
daughter.
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At that point, sons and daughters will
give exactly the same return per unit of
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investment.
Because even though a son costs twice as
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much, he provides twice as many offspring
as a daughter does.
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What this means is that when the sexes
differ in their costs,
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the stable strategy for parents is not to
produce
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equal numbers of the two sexes, but to
invest equally.
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If males are twice as costly as females,
parents should only produce half as many.
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Now to test this prediction, all we need
to do is to
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find a study system where the costs of
producing sons and daughters differs.
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And a nice example of this comes from two
closely related wasp species.
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Polistes variatus is a species where males
and females are equal in size.
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A closely related species, Polistes
metricus, has females
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that are half the size of males.
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Now, in metricus female wasps produce
twice as many
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females as in males amd variatis equal
numbers are produced.
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So, exactly as predicted by Fisher, when
males cost
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twice as much as females, half as many are
produced.
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So, the take home message from this
lecture is that at the
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population level we expect sex ratios to
be pretty near parity.
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A parent should invest in sons and
daughters near
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equally, based on how many are produced
and what they cost to produce.
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However, we'll see in the next lecture
that there are some contexts that might
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favor a bias in production of sons and
daughters at the level of the individual.
n**e
发帖数: 2026
3
幸好没拷贝大英百科全书。

【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 你自己看吧
: 1
: 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:03,130
: Hello, and welcome back to Animal
: Behavior.
: 2
: 00:00:04,590 --> 00:00:06,189
: When sexually reproducing animals
: produce
: 3

D*a
发帖数: 6830
4
七分钟的视频而已..论坛传不了,我有么办法

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 幸好没拷贝大英百科全书。
i***l
发帖数: 1656
5
今天周末 有几秒钟,就回一个:
班门弄斧
n**e
发帖数: 2026
6
能简明表达观点吗?随机或非随机。

【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 七分钟的视频而已..论坛传不了,我有么办法
D*a
发帖数: 6830
7
简明了就不准了。
要准的话:随机和非随机都作用于男女(雌雄)比例

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 能简明表达观点吗?随机或非随机。
n**e
发帖数: 2026
8
看来你还是将道理的。一般而言,如果有非随机的因素存在。我们就不能说一个事件是
随机发生的。所以随机非随机存在内在排斥,不可同时有理。

【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 简明了就不准了。
: 要准的话:随机和非随机都作用于男女(雌雄)比例

D*a
发帖数: 6830
9
也对也不对。
非随机是大量统计的结果,是指整体的一个种群而言,但是具体到某一家/某一窝,还
是不能预测的。
你可以看看这篇,http://www.guokr.com/post/502618/
讲的不如我这个视频细,但是也差不多

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 看来你还是将道理的。一般而言,如果有非随机的因素存在。我们就不能说一个事件是
: 随机发生的。所以随机非随机存在内在排斥,不可同时有理。

n********e
发帖数: 72
10
Genetics 课本上说其实北美白人初级性别比(出生比)男:女大约1.06:1也就是出生
男孩多。其解释是因动量定理Y精子速度更快,我也觉得这个很扯,不过是个可能的假
设。然后考察整个人群(男女老少都考察)的次级性别比就发现男比女无限接近1:1了
。原因是男婴多病早夭(X染色体剂量效应相关,女人2份X屏蔽一份且随机(理论上)
,男人没这好处),而且男人死得早。
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v*******e
发帖数: 11604
11
还是随机事件,只不过有相关性。楼主显然没搞明白什么叫做随机什么叫做不随机。另
外说一句,随机不随机,都和旧医没关系。
a***n
发帖数: 1214
12
这个不好说,不过某些人精神分裂注册马甲化妆成普通网友来吹捧自己
肯定不是随机的,估计是手机信号辐射太多,造成的生理病变

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 在精子形成的最后一步减数分裂,男性两个染色体X和Y分离。如果带有Y染色体的精子
: 与卵子结合就是男孩,X染色体精子生女孩。一个卵子被X还是Y受孕,看起来应该是随
: 机事件。
: 但是,在生活中我们可以注意到,如果一对夫妻第一个生的是男孩,第二个也多半是男
: 孩。反过来也一样。也就是是说,同性别孩子家庭多于杂性别孩子家庭。这种现象就意
: 味着生男生女并不是随机事件。
: 如果大样本调查支持这种现象。生男生女的奥秘可能还是中医说对了。不是随机的。

l****z
发帖数: 29846
13
哈哈, 笑坏了.

【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 这个不好说,不过某些人精神分裂注册马甲化妆成普通网友来吹捧自己
: 肯定不是随机的,估计是手机信号辐射太多,造成的生理病变

n**e
发帖数: 2026
14
你错了,随机是大量统计的结果。男女比非常接近1:1(在没有任意堕胎的国家)。现
在我质疑的就是这一点。具体到每一家就可以发现有优先生男或者优先生女的趋势。这
当然是局部经验。要得出结论需要大样本统计。
我先假定一下调查统计的结果。如果。如果。在两个孩子的家庭,单性别明显多于杂性
别。在三个孩子家庭,前两个孩子单性别明显多于杂性别。在四个孩子家庭,前三个孩
子单性别明显多于杂性别。你就必须承认,生男生女不是随机事件。
所以不要用大量统计男女均衡的结果来反驳我的观点。应该证明即使nile假设的结果是
事实,也不能表明生男生女不是随机的。

【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 也对也不对。
: 非随机是大量统计的结果,是指整体的一个种群而言,但是具体到某一家/某一窝,还
: 是不能预测的。
: 你可以看看这篇,http://www.guokr.com/post/502618/
: 讲的不如我这个视频细,但是也差不多

n**e
发帖数: 2026
15
随机事件,特征是结果不可预测,可能性各半。
我在原帖中就表明了这两个特征:在精子形成的最后一步减数分裂,男性两个染色体X
和Y分离。如果带有Y染色体的精子与卵子结合就是男孩,X染色体精子生女孩。一个卵
子被X还是Y受孕,看起来应该是随机事件。
请问我怎么“没搞明白什么叫做随机什么叫做不随机”。
你认为是随机不是随机都可以。关键不是你的观点。而是你为观点提供的论据。
另外说一句。中医不认为生男生女是随机的。只是中医关于这方面的理论,你根本就没
有读过。不要讨论你没有知识的事务。那会显得你很无知。

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
: 还是随机事件,只不过有相关性。楼主显然没搞明白什么叫做随机什么叫做不随机。另
: 外说一句,随机不随机,都和旧医没关系。

v*******e
发帖数: 11604
16

可能性1/4:3/4的也是随机事件。不光是1/2:1/2。

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 随机事件,特征是结果不可预测,可能性各半。
: 我在原帖中就表明了这两个特征:在精子形成的最后一步减数分裂,男性两个染色体X
: 和Y分离。如果带有Y染色体的精子与卵子结合就是男孩,X染色体精子生女孩。一个卵
: 子被X还是Y受孕,看起来应该是随机事件。
: 请问我怎么“没搞明白什么叫做随机什么叫做不随机”。
: 你认为是随机不是随机都可以。关键不是你的观点。而是你为观点提供的论据。
: 另外说一句。中医不认为生男生女是随机的。只是中医关于这方面的理论,你根本就没
: 有读过。不要讨论你没有知识的事务。那会显得你很无知。

n**e
发帖数: 2026
17
有些公认的东西就不必抠字眼了。精子只有带X 和带Y的两种,所以这里的随机事件只
需考虑一半对一半的。

【在 v*******e 的大作中提到】
:
: 可能性1/4:3/4的也是随机事件。不光是1/2:1/2。

n**e
发帖数: 2026
18
网络无赖们的特征是用语言暴力人身攻击代替对客观事物的讨论。一大嗜好就是强行给
人戴上精神病的帽子。这一点与世界各国的暴君对待政敌的手法极为相似。所以爱因斯
坦有句名言:天才的暴君总是由无赖来继承。
最近网络无赖们把强制精神病的诊断水平发挥到了新的高度。有人声称精神病根本原因
是大脑前列腺受损。根据他理解的医学科学知识,他的大脑应该是长在比邻膀胱和直肠
的地方,而他脖子上的球状物体唯一的功能就是用来排泄肮脏的语言。这种人类罕见的
畸形只有家族遗传性基因缺陷才可以解释。
不过这位畸形儿对佛法颇有悟性。知道“诳语”死后是要割舌下地狱的。他说“微镜”
就是nile的马甲。Nile用马甲吹捧自己就是“诳语”。
“诳语”比较正式的用词是妄语,属于佛家基本戒律之一。首要内容就是不能撒谎,也
就是不能伪造事实歪曲事实。nile没说过的话硬要说他就是这么说的。Nile没有伪造任
何人的言论硬说nile伪造。人与马吸收植物蛋白的能力基本相同,硬要说有巨大不同。
不是生物专家,硬要冒充生物专家。这就是妄语,按佛家的说法,死后是要割舌下地狱
的。
回到微镜是不是nile的马甲问题上,标准还是事实。本人对这种指控一直采取的态度是
不加回应。第一个理由是无法出示证据证明微镜不是nile的马甲。也没有义务提供证据
证明微镜是nile的马甲。更重要的理由是那个指控nile用马甲自我吹捧的无赖完全没有
资格对nile的诚信问题作出道德评判。
不论微镜是不是nile的马甲,微镜对nile的评价和对肥版版主封禁nile的评价都是是个
人观点的真实陈述,与“诳语”没有丝毫联系。某人既然指控微镜是nile的马甲,自然
应该用事实证明所言真实不虚。
如果你并不知道微镜是不是nile的马甲,请不要用你从你祖先那里继承下来的长在裤裆
里的“大脑”先去思考,也不要流着满口污秽追着nile问来问去自寻烦恼。等你和诽谤
nile的人一同割舌下地狱的时候,自然有恶鬼告诉你微镜是不是nile的马甲。
a***n
发帖数: 1214
19
你别乱扯,micromirror是不是你马甲,你就说个话
你要是不敢说,就不是男人没种。
给你这样的人说话,要照顾到你的智商,所以我把我的问题简化一下,
来做选择题
micromirror是不是nile的马甲
(A)是
(B)不是
你来选吧,是A还是B
你要是认怂不敢选,以后见了本大侠,就给我规规矩矩的把尾巴夹紧。

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 网络无赖们的特征是用语言暴力人身攻击代替对客观事物的讨论。一大嗜好就是强行给
: 人戴上精神病的帽子。这一点与世界各国的暴君对待政敌的手法极为相似。所以爱因斯
: 坦有句名言:天才的暴君总是由无赖来继承。
: 最近网络无赖们把强制精神病的诊断水平发挥到了新的高度。有人声称精神病根本原因
: 是大脑前列腺受损。根据他理解的医学科学知识,他的大脑应该是长在比邻膀胱和直肠
: 的地方,而他脖子上的球状物体唯一的功能就是用来排泄肮脏的语言。这种人类罕见的
: 畸形只有家族遗传性基因缺陷才可以解释。
: 不过这位畸形儿对佛法颇有悟性。知道“诳语”死后是要割舌下地狱的。他说“微镜”
: 就是nile的马甲。Nile用马甲吹捧自己就是“诳语”。
: “诳语”比较正式的用词是妄语,属于佛家基本戒律之一。首要内容就是不能撒谎,也

a***n
发帖数: 1214
20
哈哈哈哈
你看过micrormirror的发帖记录啦?就是我签名档里面的链接。
怎么样,你能猜出来吗

【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈, 笑坏了.
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x********e
发帖数: 35261
21
精子是只有X和Y,但含X和Y的精子生存率,游动快慢等可以不一样啊

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 有些公认的东西就不必抠字眼了。精子只有带X 和带Y的两种,所以这里的随机事件只
: 需考虑一半对一半的。

n**e
发帖数: 2026
22
如果你真的长了个脑袋,应该看出来这里讨论的不是1.06:1的问题吧。

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 精子是只有X和Y,但含X和Y的精子生存率,游动快慢等可以不一样啊
x********e
发帖数: 35261
23
1.06是你拍脑袋臆想出来的吧

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 如果你真的长了个脑袋,应该看出来这里讨论的不是1.06:1的问题吧。
a*********t
发帖数: 3
24
我盯你很久了。从来就没有看到你说一句实话。
这么说吧。如果你没有M某某是N某某的马甲证据。你就不是人养的。
这个帖子你三番五次说是N某某写的。
同主题阅读:素食给我健康之——素食与腋臭
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Dreamer/34028641.html
如果是你写的,你就是从猪屁股里爬出来的。

【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 这个不好说,不过某些人精神分裂注册马甲化妆成普通网友来吹捧自己
: 肯定不是随机的,估计是手机信号辐射太多,造成的生理病变

n**e
发帖数: 2026
25
智商一个很重要的指标就是看一个人对数字是否敏感。你太差了。不要推脱说你没看过
第一页回帖。千万不要再打脸了。

【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 1.06是你拍脑袋臆想出来的吧
n**e
发帖数: 2026
26
我觉得他应该从猪pp爬回去。

【在 a*********t 的大作中提到】
: 我盯你很久了。从来就没有看到你说一句实话。
: 这么说吧。如果你没有M某某是N某某的马甲证据。你就不是人养的。
: 这个帖子你三番五次说是N某某写的。
: 同主题阅读:素食给我健康之——素食与腋臭
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Dreamer/34028641.html
: 如果是你写的,你就是从猪屁股里爬出来的。

h********n
发帖数: 4079
27
你说的这个没有任何依据。 如果有, 请提供链接。

【在 n**e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得他应该从猪pp爬回去。
a***n
发帖数: 1214
28
不要和精神分裂的病人争吵

【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 你说的这个没有任何依据。 如果有, 请提供链接。
n**e
发帖数: 2026
29
我反复说过这不是统计结论。是个人经验。你可以提出相反的观点。

【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 你说的这个没有任何依据。 如果有, 请提供链接。
h********n
发帖数: 4079
30
我错了。

【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: 不要和精神分裂的病人争吵
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n**e
发帖数: 2026
31
你的质疑我本无需回答。因为前面已经回答过。回答是对你表示尊重。不过你不配。所
以送你三个字母 SOB。

【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 我错了。
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