s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 1 http://theconversation.com/nobel-laureate-weve-just-scraped-the
在最近一个访谈中，２００７诺奖获得者Martin Evans（由早期对胚胎干细胞以及转基
因老鼠的工作而获奖）对最近的两篇被retract的 Nature 上的干细胞文章（一篇是关
于物理压力，另外一篇是关于酸液）直言不谓的对Nature的editoral process表示不满
。并呼吁年轻科学工作者们不要全部相信文章上的所有说法而是要仔细看其中的数据并
做自己的独立判断。
Q: Reprogramming has also been in news notoriously recently. Two Nature
papers that showed that differentiated cells can be reprogrammed by physical
pressure or acid treatment were retracted this week. What’s your take on
that?
A: I was surprised why Nature accepted those papers. The data in that paper
did not seem to indicate what it was meant to. It looked weird. We’re not
very sure whether it was deliberate fraud or over-enthusiastic
misinterpretation; but clearly the editorial process was very questionable
– the peer-review was not good enough.
Q: What is your advice to scientists and, in particular, young ones?
A: You should not believe in all that you read. Learn to interpret
independently. This advice becomes much more necessary in today’s world of
social media and internet, which is overloaded with information, some of
which can be very misleading. Everyone got excited about the stem cells
generated by acid treatment, how many of you actually interpreted their data
? So, be careful!
I rate science as a better understanding of the fundamental principles of
life and nature. I can understand why scientists often tend to work towards
application-oriented science, but I believe we have many basic science
questions to understand even today. |
y**********n
发帖数: 478 | 2 说的很好，受教了
也适用于别的问题
physical
paper
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: http://theconversation.com/nobel-laureate-weve-just-scraped-the
: 在最近一个访谈中，２００７诺奖获得者Martin Evans（由早期对胚胎干细胞以及转基
: 因老鼠的工作而获奖）对最近的两篇被retract的 Nature 上的干细胞文章（一篇是关
: 于物理压力，另外一篇是关于酸液）直言不谓的对Nature的editoral process表示不满
: 。并呼吁年轻科学工作者们不要全部相信文章上的所有说法而是要仔细看其中的数据并
: 做自己的独立判断。
: Q: Reprogramming has also been in news notoriously recently. Two Nature
: papers that showed that differentiated cells can be reprogrammed by physical
: pressure or acid treatment were retracted this week. What’s your take on
: that?
|
j****x
发帖数: 1704 | 3 这是在打Nature编辑还是审稿人的脸？
physical
paper
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: http://theconversation.com/nobel-laureate-weve-just-scraped-the
: 在最近一个访谈中，２００７诺奖获得者Martin Evans（由早期对胚胎干细胞以及转基
: 因老鼠的工作而获奖）对最近的两篇被retract的 Nature 上的干细胞文章（一篇是关
: 于物理压力，另外一篇是关于酸液）直言不谓的对Nature的editoral process表示不满
: 。并呼吁年轻科学工作者们不要全部相信文章上的所有说法而是要仔细看其中的数据并
: 做自己的独立判断。
: Q: Reprogramming has also been in news notoriously recently. Two Nature
: papers that showed that differentiated cells can be reprogrammed by physical
: pressure or acid treatment were retracted this week. What’s your take on
: that?
|
l***y
发帖数: 638 | 4 这位也是个马后炮，retract之后才跳出来说两句
当然他说的东西没错
physical
paper
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: http://theconversation.com/nobel-laureate-weve-just-scraped-the
: 在最近一个访谈中，２００７诺奖获得者Martin Evans（由早期对胚胎干细胞以及转基
: 因老鼠的工作而获奖）对最近的两篇被retract的 Nature 上的干细胞文章（一篇是关
: 于物理压力，另外一篇是关于酸液）直言不谓的对Nature的editoral process表示不满
: 。并呼吁年轻科学工作者们不要全部相信文章上的所有说法而是要仔细看其中的数据并
: 做自己的独立判断。
: Q: Reprogramming has also been in news notoriously recently. Two Nature
: papers that showed that differentiated cells can be reprogrammed by physical
: pressure or acid treatment were retracted this week. What’s your take on
: that?
|
c*******4
发帖数: 154 | 5 How many mentors have ever mentioned this: "failed post-docs run NPGs, and
failed-PIs run NIH."
The way how NPG works (claimed that they don't have external editorial board
; instead, thousands of reading scientist) has huge problem in evaluating
the real science.
New generation of scientist like us should do something to turn things
around and focus back on great science but not fashion gimmick. |
F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 6 Martin只对他自己的领域提出批评，去年Randy针对NS对整个学术界引导的追逐“热点
”的忽悠、浮夸之风提出过批评。 |
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 7
So true!
【在 c*******4 的大作中提到】
: How many mentors have ever mentioned this: "failed post-docs run NPGs, and
: failed-PIs run NIH."
: The way how NPG works (claimed that they don't have external editorial board
: ; instead, thousands of reading scientist) has huge problem in evaluating
: the real science.
: New generation of scientist like us should do something to turn things
: around and focus back on great science but not fashion gimmick.
|
a*q
发帖数: 2109 | 8 A group of non-Nobel Prize people selecting the Nobel Laureates...
Just kidding..'
board
【在 c*******4 的大作中提到】
: How many mentors have ever mentioned this: "failed post-docs run NPGs, and
: failed-PIs run NIH."
: The way how NPG works (claimed that they don't have external editorial board
: ; instead, thousands of reading scientist) has huge problem in evaluating
: the real science.
: New generation of scientist like us should do something to turn things
: around and focus back on great science but not fashion gimmick.
|
D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 9 他到底说的是data的逻辑不make sense还是data看上去就像假的？ |
