c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 1 what's your call?
SKx HAKTxxxx Dxxx Cx
1C 3S 4H 5D
6H p p 6S
x p ?
both are vul. would you try 6NT or pass?
if you decide to pass, what will you lead? | b****e
发帖数: 1275 | 2 pass of course.. your partner could have void S
lead C
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: what's your call?
: SKx HAKTxxxx Dxxx Cx
: 1C 3S 4H 5D
: 6H p p 6S
: x p ?
: both are vul. would you try 6NT or pass?
: if you decide to pass, what will you lead?
| x****a
发帖数: 817 | 3 I would pass.
If 6NT is doable, opps would probably -4 at least.【
As usual, I would have no idea how to lead, choose between C and H, does it atrer
too much?
在 cozofu (但为君故) 的大作中提到: 】 | v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 4 我想LEAD S，因为对方的H好象是单张。
【在 x****a 的大作中提到】
: I would pass.
: If 6NT is doable, opps would probably -4 at least.【
: As usual, I would have no idea how to lead, choose between C and H, does it atrer
: too much?
: 在 cozofu (但为君故) 的大作中提到: 】
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 5 Pass, lead club
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: what's your call?
: SKx HAKTxxxx Dxxx Cx
: 1C 3S 4H 5D
: 6H p p 6S
: x p ?
: both are vul. would you try 6NT or pass?
: if you decide to pass, what will you lead?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 6 SQTxx HAKTx D- CK9xxx
MP, love all.
You are playing 2/1. You partner opens 1C, RHO overcalling 2D,
your call?
there are some options:
double, 3D, 4D, 2H? | g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 7 I would go 3D
* X is negative, seems too weak
* 4D? How your p will take it? More than that, I don't think it expresses more
meaning than 3D, except waste bidding space.
* 2H too weak? and it's not expressive
If p has 4 in either spade or heart, I guess 6S/6H is easier than 6C.
Considering the trump is not decided, better leave more space for that.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: SQTxx HAKTx D- CK9xxx
: MP, love all.
: You are playing 2/1. You partner opens 1C, RHO overcalling 2D,
: your call?
: there are some options:
: double, 3D, 4D, 2H?
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 8 I prefer 3D too.
I guess 4D is pursueing C slam, showing D control.
However, the C is not good enough, I guess.
more
【在 g**********y 的大作中提到】
: I would go 3D
: * X is negative, seems too weak
: * 4D? How your p will take it? More than that, I don't think it expresses more
: meaning than 3D, except waste bidding space.
: * 2H too weak? and it's not expressive
: If p has 4 in either spade or heart, I guess 6S/6H is easier than 6C.
: Considering the trump is not decided, better leave more space for that.
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 9 It's between negative double and 3D. 4D voluntarily takes too much bidding
space where you are unsure about the stream; 2H completely gets the wrong
picture -- given your void in D and strength in H, if there's a slam in major,
S would probably play better.
The upside of double is it introduces two suits cheaply, and you can always
support pd's C later on. The downside is pd may not sure if you are 4-4 in
major and after 1C-2D-x-3D, with 4 card major he may not introduce anyway. But
the real dow | a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 10
The ultimate goal is how much you could get from this.
And it is very likely LHO will jam the auction with 5D,
nothing will bother you otherwise. How could you guys
tell whether you should take the penalty or struggle for
your own game even slam?
Thus now the question is "if you are only allowed
to bid once, what's your call?"
should your pd double 5D, Pass which one of these
sequences is the easiest thing to do?
1C-2D-3D-5D-X-P-?
1C-2D-X -5D-X-P-?
1C-2D-4D-5D-X-P-?
should your pd pass 5D, in w
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: SQTxx HAKTx D- CK9xxx
: MP, love all.
: You are playing 2/1. You partner opens 1C, RHO overcalling 2D,
: your call?
: there are some options:
: double, 3D, 4D, 2H?
| | | g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 11 Doesn't 4D say: I am void/singleton in D, very good club, let's play 5C or 6C?
Can p understand that 6H/6S is possible in this sequence?
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
:
: The ultimate goal is how much you could get from this.
: And it is very likely LHO will jam the auction with 5D,
: nothing will bother you otherwise. How could you guys
: tell whether you should take the penalty or struggle for
: your own game even slam?
: Thus now the question is "if you are only allowed
: to bid once, what's your call?"
: should your pd double 5D, Pass which one of these
: sequences is the easiest thing to do?
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 12 Forcing pass is meant to be used as the last resort, not the first and you
should not center your bidding around it.
The real concern shouldn't be what if the LHO jumps to a 5D. With both white,
he can't be sure if we surely have a slam, and if there is, left to our own
devices, we will be able to bid it. So leaping to 5D is quite dangerous by
just looking at a huge D fit -- even if you have 6-6 D fit, that can the the
only 6 tricks you get. Preempt after both opponents have bid is usually not a
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
:
: The ultimate goal is how much you could get from this.
: And it is very likely LHO will jam the auction with 5D,
: nothing will bother you otherwise. How could you guys
: tell whether you should take the penalty or struggle for
: your own game even slam?
: Thus now the question is "if you are only allowed
: to bid once, what's your call?"
: should your pd double 5D, Pass which one of these
: sequences is the easiest thing to do?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 13 In real life, I bid 3D,
partner bids 3NT. now I know I won't be able to play 4M here.
I tried 4D, partner bid 4H, I was too chicken to pass it, since it sounds
like a cuebid, so I retreat to 5C and 5C goes down 1.
my pd has: SKJx HJxxx DKTx CAxx
So doubling 2D is the winning action for this hand.
But I am afraid double may lead to some serious problems,
since it's MP, partner may even pass your double with:
SKJx Hxxx DKJx CAQxx when nobody vul.
. 2D may go down 2, but 3NT should be cold, and 6C
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: SQTxx HAKTx D- CK9xxx
: MP, love all.
: You are playing 2/1. You partner opens 1C, RHO overcalling 2D,
: your call?
: there are some options:
: double, 3D, 4D, 2H?
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 14 I think you worried about some phatom menace here. With 3-3-3-4, pd shall
never pass a negative double facing an unpassed hand, especially when he's in
the front seat, and KJx is not exactly a stack that should excite the defense.
As I said, there are cases when pd does have a stack and would choose to pass,
and which you might even be cold for 6C, but that's less likely. In this
auction, the most likely case is still that you have a 4-4 major fit and your
bidding should cater to that most frequ
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: In real life, I bid 3D,
: partner bids 3NT. now I know I won't be able to play 4M here.
: I tried 4D, partner bid 4H, I was too chicken to pass it, since it sounds
: like a cuebid, so I retreat to 5C and 5C goes down 1.
: my pd has: SKJx HJxxx DKTx CAxx
: So doubling 2D is the winning action for this hand.
: But I am afraid double may lead to some serious problems,
: since it's MP, partner may even pass your double with:
: SKJx Hxxx DKJx CAQxx when nobody vul.
: . 2D may go down 2, but 3NT should be cold, and 6C
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 In MP, I think it's not that horrible to pass with 3-3-3-4 shape and
defensive oriented hands. If you bid, 2NT can often be a wrong spot I believe.
When you can make 2NT with 3-3-3-4, you can usually get more tricks in defense.
Still, I belive 3NT over 3D doesn't garantee balanced shape:
I would bid 3NT with: SKJxx Hx DAQx CAxxxx, because if I rebid 3S,
my partner would never be able to bid 3NT.
Anyway, I think it's seldom right to double with 4-4-0-5 shape here.
even if partner bid something ov
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: I think you worried about some phatom menace here. With 3-3-3-4, pd shall
: never pass a negative double facing an unpassed hand, especially when he's in
: the front seat, and KJx is not exactly a stack that should excite the defense.
: As I said, there are cases when pd does have a stack and would choose to pass,
: and which you might even be cold for 6C, but that's less likely. In this
: auction, the most likely case is still that you have a 4-4 major fit and your
: bidding should cater to that most frequ
| g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 16 今天早上读Bergen的Marty Sez, 对类似问题的解释挺有道理的:
Negative X: stress on your major suit (in this particular hand, I think
everyone agree, 4M is better than 5C, and 6M is more likely than 6C)
3D: cue-bid, shows good support on pd's suit, force to game. It doesn't
promise anything on diamond.
4D: splinter, I think this is more expressive than 3D, but this bid basically
declines the possibility to explore major fit. It's like to say: P, we have
great fit in C, let's decide wether we play 5C or 6C.
Thus, I thin
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: In MP, I think it's not that horrible to pass with 3-3-3-4 shape and
: defensive oriented hands. If you bid, 2NT can often be a wrong spot I believe.
: When you can make 2NT with 3-3-3-4, you can usually get more tricks in defense.
: Still, I belive 3NT over 3D doesn't garantee balanced shape:
: I would bid 3NT with: SKJxx Hx DAQx CAxxxx, because if I rebid 3S,
: my partner would never be able to bid 3NT.
: Anyway, I think it's seldom right to double with 4-4-0-5 shape here.
: even if partner bid something ov
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 17 In risk of appearing to sell my bridge methodology, please allow me to explain
why 4D splinter is never going to be my choice.
1. You splinter with major opening because you've known that you had a huge
fit. In minor case you should always be more cautious as the fit may not that
great -- you may have only an 8 card fit here -- and you are the long side. So
the splinter is at best a unilateral action.
2. Splinter passing 3N with a minor fit is another big no-no. In MP, bidding
over 3N with a min
【在 g**********y 的大作中提到】
: 今天早上读Bergen的Marty Sez, 对类似问题的解释挺有道理的:
: Negative X: stress on your major suit (in this particular hand, I think
: everyone agree, 4M is better than 5C, and 6M is more likely than 6C)
: 3D: cue-bid, shows good support on pd's suit, force to game. It doesn't
: promise anything on diamond.
: 4D: splinter, I think this is more expressive than 3D, but this bid basically
: declines the possibility to explore major fit. It's like to say: P, we have
: great fit in C, let's decide wether we play 5C or 6C.
: Thus, I thin
| g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 18 It's very clear explaination, I agree that minor splinter is not that a great
choice.
However, I don't like the idea of using 4D as 5-5-3-0, reason is simple: you
play 1000 hands, and may still not meet such a hand (Note, need partner open
1-minor too). Introduce such convention into bidding system is only asking for
trouble, IMHO. I always think: the more unnecessary conventions you use, the
more likely that it will backfire you some day :)
explain
that
So
case
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: In risk of appearing to sell my bridge methodology, please allow me to explain
: why 4D splinter is never going to be my choice.
: 1. You splinter with major opening because you've known that you had a huge
: fit. In minor case you should always be more cautious as the fit may not that
: great -- you may have only an 8 card fit here -- and you are the long side. So
: the splinter is at best a unilateral action.
: 2. Splinter passing 3N with a minor fit is another big no-no. In MP, bidding
: over 3N with a min
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 19 well, in match point,
passing partner's negative double with balanced hand isn't my invention.
The basic idea is that, negative double shouldn't be based on a high ODR
hand. When the ODR is high, you would always worry about passing by partner.
especially at 2 level or above and in MP. 2NT is often a losing option
which trades a plus to a minus.
Suppose you have:
SAxxx HKxxx Dxx CKxx, you double 2D,
and partner gambles to pass 2D with SKxx HAxx DAQJ Cxxxx, 2D down one or two
when 2NT has very li
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: In risk of appearing to sell my bridge methodology, please allow me to explain
: why 4D splinter is never going to be my choice.
: 1. You splinter with major opening because you've known that you had a huge
: fit. In minor case you should always be more cautious as the fit may not that
: great -- you may have only an 8 card fit here -- and you are the long side. So
: the splinter is at best a unilateral action.
: 2. Splinter passing 3N with a minor fit is another big no-no. In MP, bidding
: over 3N with a min
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 20 Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to underplay converting the negative
double -- in some cases it is the only option -- However, I think
systematically passing negative double with 4 triple 3, in front position,
love all, and when pd is unpassed hand, is not much better than shooting in
the dark, and is a losing strategy in long run. Partner can have some
structure in the major suits and you do make 2N, and 2D down 1 is not exactly
a victory. Or pd can have some more values and one suit is run
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: well, in match point,
: passing partner's negative double with balanced hand isn't my invention.
: The basic idea is that, negative double shouldn't be based on a high ODR
: hand. When the ODR is high, you would always worry about passing by partner.
: especially at 2 level or above and in MP. 2NT is often a losing option
: which trades a plus to a minus.
: Suppose you have:
: SAxxx HKxxx Dxx CKxx, you double 2D,
: and partner gambles to pass 2D with SKxx HAxx DAQJ Cxxxx, 2D down one or two
: when 2NT has very li
| | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 21 yes, that's possible. but for MP, I think it is still in favor
of passing. Even when 3NT is makable, 2D x -2 is usually good match point.
Because when it's marginal, many players may not bid 3NT.
Anyway, structure in major suits usually means higher ODR, hehe.
Passing pd's negative double with 3-3-3-4 is Mashall Mile's idea.
I am not that extreme. I would pass it only with strong holding in D.
Perhaps I can send Marshall Mile an email message to ask him about this hand.
I guess he'd not doubl
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Don't take me wrong, I'm not trying to underplay converting the negative
: double -- in some cases it is the only option -- However, I think
: systematically passing negative double with 4 triple 3, in front position,
: love all, and when pd is unpassed hand, is not much better than shooting in
: the dark, and is a losing strategy in long run. Partner can have some
: structure in the major suits and you do make 2N, and 2D down 1 is not exactly
: a victory. Or pd can have some more values and one suit is run
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 22 It's decent reasoning:-)
But still, in my opinion, in the given problem, you are only allowed to bid
once and no room for the manuplation. 4D makes it easier to judge whether to
take the penalty or not.:)
explain
that
So
case
have
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: In risk of appearing to sell my bridge methodology, please allow me to explain
: why 4D splinter is never going to be my choice.
: 1. You splinter with major opening because you've known that you had a huge
: fit. In minor case you should always be more cautious as the fit may not that
: great -- you may have only an 8 card fit here -- and you are the long side. So
: the splinter is at best a unilateral action.
: 2. Splinter passing 3N with a minor fit is another big no-no. In MP, bidding
: over 3N with a min
| f*o
发帖数: 168 | 23 3D
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: SQTxx HAKTx D- CK9xxx
: MP, love all.
: You are playing 2/1. You partner opens 1C, RHO overcalling 2D,
: your call?
: there are some options:
: double, 3D, 4D, 2H?
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