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g******4
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1
American Jewish population was estimated at between 5.5 and 8 million,
depending on the definition of the term. This constitutes between 1.7% to 2.
6% of the total U.S. population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
-------------------
With the North Shore Jewish population estimated between 50,000-75,000, it
is the third largest concentration of Jewish communities outside of Israel.
http://jwcdaily.com/2015/06/21/new-jewish-center-opens/
------------------
Yale University’s undergrad student body is 27 percent Jewish (1,500 Jewish
undergrads out of 5,477 total). Percentage-wise, it narrowly beats out its
Ivy League rival Harvard University, which is 25 percent Jewish (1,675 out
of 6,694 undergrads). But Cornell University and Columbia University both
have more Jews in total — 3,000 and 1,800, respectively.
----------------------------------------------------
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago#Geography
..............
DEERFIELD H. S. (5 out of 8 ???)
303 Bloom,
Bloom Name Meaning Jewish (American): Americanized spelling of Blum
999 Firestone,
Names ending in “-stone” (Wellstone, Firestone, etc.)
http://www.subvertednation.net/jew-lists/jewish-surnames/
450
200
904
162 Miller
Miller is also the third most common surname among Jews in the United States
(after Cohen and Levy).
900 Sugarman,
Sugarman Name Meaning Jewish: Americanized form of Ashkenazic Zuckerman,
457 Wexler, Jonathan
There are jewish families in Argentina with surname WEXLER ?
628 Feingold,
Feingold Name Meaning Jewish (Ashkenazic): ornamental name composed of
German fein ‘fine’ + Gold ‘gold’.
303 Feldman, Carter J.
Feldman is a common German and Ashkenazi Jewish surname.
......
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Student Culture & Diversity: It is about 90% white and 50% Jewish,
https://k12.niche.com/deerfield-high-school-deerfield-il/student-culture-and
-diversity/
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=========================
g******4
发帖数: 6339
2
昂茨文中第一页就点明了整个问题的大背景:今日美国贫富悬殊愈演愈烈,中产阶级每
况愈下。在这种向上流动性大减,“胜者全拿”的社会里,对绝大多数家庭而言进入常
春藤名校是保证子女将来有出息的唯一道路。
二十世纪二十年代年之前包括哈佛在内的常春藤名校是按学术成绩来录取的,渐渐的学
术成绩优异的犹太裔学生大量涌入常春藤名校。掌控着常春藤名校的盎格努撒克逊后裔
们在二十年代发明了这套号称考虑多方面条件的录取制度好把犹太学生的比例限制在15
%之内。
其实其中的秘密说出来一文不值,基于学习成绩的录取制度也许谈不上是什么好制度,
但是至少公平透明,客观性强。但是哈佛大学在二十年代年引入的这套复杂,充满主观
因素的录取制度最妙之处就在于完全失去透明性,你很难直接对比两个学生,而校方就
可以一手遮天,一方面把犹太裔学生数目限制在一定比例下,一方面脸不红心不跳地否
认自己有任何歧视性政策,是不是听上去很熟悉?
昂茨说的很直白:二战之后,犹太社团通过靠着大规模在媒体和政治上造势给予常春藤
名校巨大的压力。与此同时犹太社团几乎接管了美国的主流媒体,所有三大电视网,九
个好莱坞制片厂中的八家,很多大报社,包括纽约时报和华盛顿邮报都被其控制。而掌
握了权力的胜利果实如此甜蜜:1965年耶鲁更换了招生办公室的工作人员,第二年,犹
太裔学生数量翻番。
与此相反的是,今天亚裔啥也没有,在电影电视电台和出版物上亚裔几乎毫无踪迹。对
大多数美国人而言,主流媒体不报道的事情就不存在,亚裔被歧视当然也就不会有多少
人注意到了。
在过去二十年里亚裔的人口,特别是18岁到21岁年龄段人口(上图虚线)大幅增长,于
此对应的是,录取时不考虑种族因素的加州理工的亚裔学生比例也随之增长(和虚线伴
随增长的那条实线)。但是奇怪的是所有八所常春藤名校(其他八条实线)的亚裔比例
都被稳稳地控制在15%-20%区间,而这一切,据校方说,只是巧合!
昂茨没有停下来,他用大量数据揭示了一个很多人不清楚的事实:今天犹太裔学生学术
成绩的崩溃,如今犹太裔高中生的学术成绩不但远不如亚裔,连非犹太裔的白人学生也
不及。以下段落大家可以仔细阅读,其中数据实在惊人:哈佛大学录取的新生中45%是
白人,而犹太裔学生高达25%,也就是非犹太裔学生只有20%。而实际上只占总人口2.1%
的犹太裔学生的学术成绩不如非犹太裔的白人学生,离亚裔差得就更远了,但是他们占
了常春藤大蛋糕里最大的一份。
在昂茨看来,犹太裔学生学术成绩的崩溃是如此明显,你无论用哪个指标去衡量都一样
。原因呢?无他,新的一代犹太裔学生失去了父辈和祖父辈努力向上的动力,读到此处
不禁让人唏嘘,二战结束之后的那一代星光灿烂的犹太裔科学家,工程师,医生和律师
们,如果知道后辈如此不长进,不知道会有何感想。昂茨甚至不留情面地指出,要不是
苏联解体为犹太社团带来了一波勤奋好学的新犹太移民,犹太学生团体的平均学术成绩
还要更糟。
他极其伤感地指出:几十年前,当一流高中生中25%是犹太裔的情况下,犹太裔占据25%
的常春藤席位是非常合理的。如今犹太裔在一流高中生的比例已经跌到了6%,可是犹太
裔学生在常春藤大学中的比例还略有增加。
http://theamericanconservative.com/pdf/The%20Myth%20of%20American%20Meritocracy-Unz.pdf
j****y
发帖数: 597
3
mark, very good article.

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【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 昂茨文中第一页就点明了整个问题的大背景:今日美国贫富悬殊愈演愈烈,中产阶级每
: 况愈下。在这种向上流动性大减,“胜者全拿”的社会里,对绝大多数家庭而言进入常
: 春藤名校是保证子女将来有出息的唯一道路。
: 二十世纪二十年代年之前包括哈佛在内的常春藤名校是按学术成绩来录取的,渐渐的学
: 术成绩优异的犹太裔学生大量涌入常春藤名校。掌控着常春藤名校的盎格努撒克逊后裔
: 们在二十年代发明了这套号称考虑多方面条件的录取制度好把犹太学生的比例限制在15
: %之内。
: 其实其中的秘密说出来一文不值,基于学习成绩的录取制度也许谈不上是什么好制度,
: 但是至少公平透明,客观性强。但是哈佛大学在二十年代年引入的这套复杂,充满主观
: 因素的录取制度最妙之处就在于完全失去透明性,你很难直接对比两个学生,而校方就

g******4
发帖数: 6339
4

When examining statistical evidence, the proper
aggregation of data is critical. Consider the
ratio of the recent 2007–2011 enrollment of Asian
students at Harvard relative to their estimated share
of America’s recent NMS semifinalists, a reasonable
proxy for the high-ability college-age population, and
compare this result to the corresponding figure for
whites.
The Asian ratio is 63 percent, slightly above
the white ratio of 61 percent, with both these figures
being considerably below parity due to the substantial
presence of under-represented racial minorities
such as blacks and Hispanics, foreign students, and
students of unreported race. Thus, there appears to
be no evidence for racial bias against Asians, even
excluding the race-neutral impact of athletic recruitment,
legacy admissions, and geographical diversity.
However, if we separate out the Jewish students, their
ratio turns out to be 435 percent, while the residual ratio
for non-Jewish whites drops to just 28 percent, less
than half of even the Asian figure.
As a consequence,
Asians appear under-represented relative to Jews by
a factor of seven, while non-Jewish whites are by far
the most under-represented group of all, despite any
benefits they might receive from athletic, legacy, or
geographical distribution factors. The rest of the Ivy
League tends to follow a similar pattern, with the overall
Jewish ratio being 381 percent, the Asian figure at
62 percent, and the ratio for non-Jewish whites a low
35 percent, all relative to their number of high-ability
college-age students

【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 昂茨文中第一页就点明了整个问题的大背景:今日美国贫富悬殊愈演愈烈,中产阶级每
: 况愈下。在这种向上流动性大减,“胜者全拿”的社会里,对绝大多数家庭而言进入常
: 春藤名校是保证子女将来有出息的唯一道路。
: 二十世纪二十年代年之前包括哈佛在内的常春藤名校是按学术成绩来录取的,渐渐的学
: 术成绩优异的犹太裔学生大量涌入常春藤名校。掌控着常春藤名校的盎格努撒克逊后裔
: 们在二十年代发明了这套号称考虑多方面条件的录取制度好把犹太学生的比例限制在15
: %之内。
: 其实其中的秘密说出来一文不值,基于学习成绩的录取制度也许谈不上是什么好制度,
: 但是至少公平透明,客观性强。但是哈佛大学在二十年代年引入的这套复杂,充满主观
: 因素的录取制度最妙之处就在于完全失去透明性,你很难直接对比两个学生,而校方就

g******4
发帖数: 6339
5
Many of the Jewish writers who focus on the
history of elite university admissions, including
Karabel, Steinberg, and Lemann, have critiqued and
rebuked the America of the first half of the Twentieth
Century for having been governed by a narrow
WASP ascendency, which overwhelmingly dominated
and controlled the commanding heights of business,
finance, education, and politics; and some of
their criticisms are not unreasonable.
But we should
bear in mind that this dominant group of White
Anglo-Saxon Protestants—largely descended from
among the earliest American settlers and which had
gradually absorbed and assimilated substantial elements
of Celtic, Dutch, German, and French background—was
generally aligned in culture, religion,
ideology, and ancestry with perhaps 60 percent of
America’s total population at the time, and therefore
hardly represented an alien presence.
By contrast,
a similarly overwhelming domination by a tiny segment
of America’s current population, one which is
completely misaligned in all these respects, seems
far less inherently stable, especially when the institutional
roots of such domination have continually
increased despite the collapse of the supposedly
meritocratic justification. This does not seem like a
recipe for a healthy and successful society, nor one
which will even long survive in anything like its current
form.
g******4
发帖数: 6339
6
When examining statistical evidence, the proper
aggregation of data is critical. Consider the
ratio of the recent 2007–2011 enrollment of Asian
students at Harvard relative to their estimated share
of America’s recent NMS semifinalists, a reasonable
proxy for the high-ability college-age population, and
compare this result to the corresponding figure for
whites.
---------------
On pg 31.
** NMS Semifinalists **
N/J White Asian Jewish
National (estimated) 65-70% 25-30% 6%
Harvard 18% 16% 26%
-------------------------------------------------
Jewish 26 * 100 /6 % = 433 %
Asian 16 * 100 / 25 = 64%
N/J White 18*100 / 65 = 27.69 %
------------------
The Asian ratio is 63 percent, slightly above
the white ratio of 61 percent, with both these figures
being considerably below parity due to the substantial
presence of under-represented racial minorities
such as blacks and Hispanics, foreign students, and
students of unreported race. Thus, there appears to
be no evidence for racial bias against Asians, even
excluding the race-neutral impact of athletic recruitment,
legacy admissions, and geographical diversity.
However, if we separate out the Jewish students, their
ratio turns out to be 435 percent, while the residual ratio
for non-Jewish whites drops to just 28 percent, less
than half of even the Asian figure.
As a consequence,
Asians appear under-represented relative to Jews by
a factor of seven, while non-Jewish whites are by far
the most under-represented group of all, despite any
benefits they might receive from athletic, legacy, or
geographical distribution factors. The rest of the Ivy
League tends to follow a similar pattern, with the overall
Jewish ratio being 381 percent, the Asian figure at
62 percent, and the ratio for non-Jewish whites a low
35 percent, all relative to their number of high-ability
college-age students
u******o
发帖数: 179
7
歧视是全方位的,犹太人一共有2000万?却有121人诺贝尔奖,华人十几亿才12个获奖
的。犹太人把瑞典皇家科学院都买通了,你仅在华人论坛是不够的。

15

【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: 昂茨文中第一页就点明了整个问题的大背景:今日美国贫富悬殊愈演愈烈,中产阶级每
: 况愈下。在这种向上流动性大减,“胜者全拿”的社会里,对绝大多数家庭而言进入常
: 春藤名校是保证子女将来有出息的唯一道路。
: 二十世纪二十年代年之前包括哈佛在内的常春藤名校是按学术成绩来录取的,渐渐的学
: 术成绩优异的犹太裔学生大量涌入常春藤名校。掌控着常春藤名校的盎格努撒克逊后裔
: 们在二十年代发明了这套号称考虑多方面条件的录取制度好把犹太学生的比例限制在15
: %之内。
: 其实其中的秘密说出来一文不值,基于学习成绩的录取制度也许谈不上是什么好制度,
: 但是至少公平透明,客观性强。但是哈佛大学在二十年代年引入的这套复杂,充满主观
: 因素的录取制度最妙之处就在于完全失去透明性,你很难直接对比两个学生,而校方就

g******4
发帖数: 6339
8

------
This is on top 10.
You'd better behavior yourself.
文章标题 来源版面
1 某些华人在职场真的无耻无下限啊 (转载) 德克萨斯州
2 德州超速罚单求助 德克萨斯州
3 说一下北Fremont的教育和买家现状(简略 三藩市地区
4 East Bay buyer agent with rebate 三藩市地区
5 华美化学与化工协会第21届年度大会 芝加哥地区
6 上海和纽约净租售比差不多 为什么说国内 纽约地区
7 犹太人,藤校.Jewish 435% Asian 63% N/J 芝加哥地区
8 最近开始做梦 密苏里

【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 歧视是全方位的,犹太人一共有2000万?却有121人诺贝尔奖,华人十几亿才12个获奖
: 的。犹太人把瑞典皇家科学院都买通了,你仅在华人论坛是不够的。
:
: 15

u******o
发帖数: 179
9
这咋惹着你了?气得说都不会话了。
近1/4诺奖给了这么少的人口,太明目张胆了。你能说我就不能说?

【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
:
: ------
: This is on top 10.
: You'd better behavior yourself.
: 文章标题 来源版面
: 1 某些华人在职场真的无耻无下限啊 (转载) 德克萨斯州
: 2 德州超速罚单求助 德克萨斯州
: 3 说一下北Fremont的教育和买家现状(简略 三藩市地区
: 4 East Bay buyer agent with rebate 三藩市地区
: 5 华美化学与化工协会第21届年度大会 芝加哥地区

g******4
发帖数: 6339
10

气得话都不会说了。 话 <==> 说
-------------

【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 这咋惹着你了?气得说都不会话了。
: 近1/4诺奖给了这么少的人口,太明目张胆了。你能说我就不能说?

w***m
发帖数: 80
11
Jews are good at steal other people's idea and that's why they are on the
Nobel.
They are greedy just as they always are, now the US good resource are under
their control just as they did in Germany before WWII
g******4
发帖数: 6339
12

2.
.
Jewish
Geographic Area
City North: Chicago, extending from the Loop through West Rogers Park,
including the north lakefront
70,150
Rest of Chicago: (city other)
19,100
Near North Suburbs: suburbs contiguous to the city from Evanston
through Park Ridge
64,600
North/Far North: extending from Wilmette to Wisconsin border, and west
to include Northbrook, Glenview, Deerfield, etc.
56,300
Northwest Suburbs: includes parts of Lake county, all of McHenry county,
and northwest Cook county
51,950
Western Suburbs: includes Oak Park and River Forest in Cook county,
plus all of DuPage and Kane counties
23,300
Southern Suburbs: south and southwest Cook county beyond the city
of Chicago to Indiana border; includes Will county
6,400
TOTALS
291,800
http://www.jewishdatabank.org/Studies/downloadFile.cfm?FileID=2785

【在 g******4 的大作中提到】
: American Jewish population was estimated at between 5.5 and 8 million,
: depending on the definition of the term. This constitutes between 1.7% to 2.
: 6% of the total U.S. population
: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jews
: -------------------
: With the North Shore Jewish population estimated between 50,000-75,000, it
: is the third largest concentration of Jewish communities outside of Israel.
: http://jwcdaily.com/2015/06/21/new-jewish-center-opens/
: ------------------
: Yale University’s undergrad student body is 27 percent Jewish (1,500 Jewish

u******o
发帖数: 179
13
刚刚网上放出了Stevenson今年部分学生(大约700来人)的录取情况。哈佛,两个中国
女生,芝大,一个中国女生,MIT两个中国男生(这俩是提前录取的,还有俩女生把MIT
给拒了),普林斯顿,一个中国男生,另外Buke, Caltech, U of Toronto, Conell之
流的好大学也都是只录了中国学生。 就顶尖学校来看,虽然Buffalo Grove是犹太人的
聚居区,中国学生的录取却是压倒性优势的。
只是西北比较龌龊,没有中国学生去。
u******o
发帖数: 179
14
西北录取了一个中国学生,上次没看清。但相比其它大学,还是太少。

MIT

【在 u******o 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚网上放出了Stevenson今年部分学生(大约700来人)的录取情况。哈佛,两个中国
: 女生,芝大,一个中国女生,MIT两个中国男生(这俩是提前录取的,还有俩女生把MIT
: 给拒了),普林斯顿,一个中国男生,另外Buke, Caltech, U of Toronto, Conell之
: 流的好大学也都是只录了中国学生。 就顶尖学校来看,虽然Buffalo Grove是犹太人的
: 聚居区,中国学生的录取却是压倒性优势的。
: 只是西北比较龌龊,没有中国学生去。

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