H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 1 如果1959-1961年期间中国有大规模饿死上千万人的事件，有没有可能在美国内部情报
上只字不提？ |
H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 2 请看这份美国state of department 1960-1963年1月关于中国的机密情报档案，里面只
字未提。
http://academic.lexisnexis.com/documents/upa_cis/2745_CFChina60
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 如果1959-1961年期间中国有大规模饿死上千万人的事件，有没有可能在美国内部情报
: 上只字不提？
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 3 其中对三年自然灾害以及人民公社的评价。
The Communist leaders mobilized the nation in a vast economic
development program designed to transform Communist China into an
industrial power. They inaugurated a vast land redistribution program and
collectivization. Through five-year plans, the industrial goals set by the
government were met and, by the early 1960s, exceeded. But there was a
considerable lag in agricultural production. The “Great Leap Forward”
program was initiated to sustain industrial growth and to revolutionize
agricultural production by the mass mobilization of the countryside. The
hoped-for self-sufficient “people’s communes” would be responsible for
agricultural mechanization and improvement, local industrialization, and
other social and economic functions. The primary goal of the commune was to
utilize local labor and resources to raise overall production.
【请注意下面这段，里面提到了粮食歉收，自然灾害，以及农民不合作，但是只字未提
大批饿死人】
By the early 1960s, however,crop failures, natural disasters, and a
recalcitrant peasantry, which had learned over the centuries to reject
external compulsion, forced the government to acknowledge the failure of the
agricultural “Great Leap Forward.” The Communists transformed Chinese
life in many ways. Road, rail, and air transportation physically unified the
country for the first time. Significant efforts
were made to improve public health and sanitation and to combat illiteracy (
including a simplification of Chinese characters), women were accepted
equally in many professions, and child marriage and concubinage were
outlawed. It seemed that the Communists were refashioning the habits and
ethos of an entire population. The seeds of the Great Cultural Revolution
had been planted and were being cultivated. |
x******g
发帖数: 33885 | 4 Herzog同志，茉莉花党，法轮功最怕的就是事实。
向你敬礼。 |
H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 5 ：）
【在 x******g 的大作中提到】
: Herzog同志，茉莉花党，法轮功最怕的就是事实。
: 向你敬礼。
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 6 请问朝鲜饿死多少人美国知道么？
连个本拉登都找了很多年
只有nc才会忽略n多人的现身说法跑去找各种所谓的材料来否定这一切 |
H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 7 全世界有关朝鲜饿死人的信息，基本上都来自米国和韩国。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 请问朝鲜饿死多少人美国知道么？
: 连个本拉登都找了很多年
: 只有nc才会忽略n多人的现身说法跑去找各种所谓的材料来否定这一切
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 8 来自美国？
明摆着是棒子们自己造出来的
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 全世界有关朝鲜饿死人的信息，基本上都来自米国和韩国。
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 9 你承认朝鲜饥荒是编造的就好。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 来自美国？
: 明摆着是棒子们自己造出来的
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 10 造是编造？
真搞笑，棒子们也是从脱北者口里知道一些鸡毛蒜皮然后推算的
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 你承认朝鲜饥荒是编造的就好。
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 11 Stephan Haggard and Marcus Noland这两个棒子的英文不错，连名字都改了。
Famine in North Korea: Markets, Aid, and Reform
Stephan Haggard and Marcus Noland
Share |
Paper, 368 pages, 59 illus.
ISBN: 978-0-231-14001-0
$24.50 / ￡17.00
February, 2007
Cloth, 368 pages, 59 illus.
ISBN: 978-0-231-14000-3
$70.00 / ￡48.50
In the mid-1990s, as many as one million North Koreans died in one of the
worst famines of the twentieth century.
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 来自美国？
: 明摆着是棒子们自己造出来的
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 12 这份脱北者办的杂志也不错，连朝鲜照片都有。
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1737780,00.html
North Korean farmers work in their fields outside the North Korean capital
of Pyongyang, February 25, 2008.
Mark Ralston / AFP / Getty
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 造是编造？
: 真搞笑，棒子们也是从脱北者口里知道一些鸡毛蒜皮然后推算的
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 13 说你啥点啥呢
他们写书就能说他的数据是他自己的来的了？
不知道确切数据就能说不存在了？
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: Stephan Haggard and Marcus Noland这两个棒子的英文不错，连名字都改了。
: Famine in North Korea: Markets, Aid, and Reform
: Stephan Haggard and Marcus Noland
: Share |
: Paper, 368 pages, 59 illus.
: ISBN: 978-0-231-14001-0
: $24.50 / ￡17.00
: February, 2007
: Cloth, 368 pages, 59 illus.
: ISBN: 978-0-231-14000-3
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 14 那再来看看这个棒子Andrew S. Natsios 写的书？
The Great North Korean Famine [Paperback]
Andrew S. Natsios (Author)
很不幸，读者这么说："Much of this book is built on such half-truths."
As a professional colleague once said about another author, he got the story
right but the facts wrong.
This is a difficult book to evaluate. It basically gets the story of the
North Korean famine right, but it is misleading or wrong in many of the
specifics, starting with the first sentence of the book "In September 1995
the North Korean government, in a rare admission of vulnerability announced
to the outside world that severe flooding had devastated its agricultural
regions and that subsequent failure had caused widespread food shortages."
Narrowly true, perhaps - the government of North Korea may well have made
such a statement in September 1995 - but thoroughly misleading. The
government of North Korea had publicly admitted it had food shortages and
successfully reached agreements with Japan and South Korea to supply
emergency food aid in May 1995 - before the floods hit in June. So unless
time moves backwards on the Korean peninsula, floods in June could not be
the cause of agreements reached in May. As evidenced by the September
statement that Natsios uses to begin the book, the flooding proved
politically useful to both the North Koreans (the famine was an act of God
and not a combination of their own incompetence and malevolence) and to the
donor community (easier to supply aid in response to victims of natural
disasters than victims of a thoroughly odious regime).
Much of this book is built on such half-truths. In part, this is due to its
author's intended or inadvertent tendency to place himself at the center of
all events. This gives the book a certain strength: the first-hand accounts |
C********g
发帖数: 9656 | 15 朝鲜没饥荒，中共给他们大量输出粮食是喂狗？
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 你承认朝鲜饥荒是编造的就好。
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 16 呵呵，说你傻你就冒大鼻涕泡，也不看看全亚洲哪两个国家是粮食进口第一第二？
【在 C********g 的大作中提到】
: 朝鲜没饥荒，中共给他们大量输出粮食是喂狗？
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 17 那又如何，能否定中国饥荒，朝鲜饥荒了？
story
announced
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 那再来看看这个棒子Andrew S. Natsios 写的书？
: The Great North Korean Famine [Paperback]
: Andrew S. Natsios (Author)
: 很不幸，读者这么说："Much of this book is built on such half-truths."
: As a professional colleague once said about another author, he got the story
: right but the facts wrong.
: This is a difficult book to evaluate. It basically gets the story of the
: North Korean famine right, but it is misleading or wrong in many of the
: specifics, starting with the first sentence of the book "In September 1995
: the North Korean government, in a rare admission of vulnerability announced
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 18 我是不知道啊。
反正某id不是刚刚自己说了，朝鲜饥荒的说法跟米国无关，都是棒子造出来的嘛。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 那又如何，能否定中国饥荒，朝鲜饥荒了？
:
: story
: announced
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 19 真能扯蛋啊
明摆着是你说美国机密情报
后面却又搞一堆书出来
差点被你绕进去
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 我是不知道啊。
: 反正某id不是刚刚自己说了，朝鲜饥荒的说法跟米国无关，都是棒子造出来的嘛。
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H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 20 请google
state of department, north korea famine
看看到底米果政府有没有说北朝鲜闹饥荒。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 真能扯蛋啊
: 明摆着是你说美国机密情报
: 后面却又搞一堆书出来
: 差点被你绕进去
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b*****t
发帖数: 9671 | 21 继续扯
zf公开的言论还叫机密情报档案么
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 请google
: state of department, north korea famine
: 看看到底米果政府有没有说北朝鲜闹饥荒。
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z******n
发帖数: 2595 | 22 kao, 美国人是你爹啊，你死多少人，严密封锁，美国人才不管你呢，但你敢迫害一个
美国人，对不起，枪炮伺候。 |
