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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Sun Aug 14 19:41:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
大家有啥好主意？我正在帮NIU起草第一封信，但是卡在要求这一段了。如果我要求他们收I-
485,他们会简单回复我，要我联系奥本。如果我要求他们和奥本合作，这显然牵涉到他
们跨部门合作，作为外人要求他们办不是他们自己能够内部解决的事情，比较容易被官
话打发掉。
当年奥本2007年大放水，是处于什么目的？于外交部何益？于移民局何益？理解了这一
点比较好沟通。
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ardorbird (独自徘徊在天堂与地狱之间) 于 (Sun Aug 14 22:20:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
没有什么响应嘛，难道熟悉那段历史的人都绿了？
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Sun Aug 14 23:06:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
http://www.uscis.gov/USCIS/About%20Us/Budget,%20Planning%20and%
不熟悉的人可以看看上面的链接，也许你可以看到一些我粗心忽略了的东西。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 08:48:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
感谢JWE的指点，我正在恶补历史！根据著名移民律师Jamese Ronald Gotcher的说法，
可见奥本的工作性质和我们的移民要求在很大程度上有重合之处，都是希望最大化利用
移民配额。真正的瓶颈是移民局（USCIS）。我们的敌人是USCIS的低效率和官僚作风和
对我们的痛苦的漠视。
Jamese Ronald Gotcher:: Reason behind July 2007 Fiasco?
First, I have to object to the use of the term "fiasco." That is a CIS term.
To them it was a fiasco, but one that was prompted by their incompetence.
For everyone else, it was a welcome slap in the face of the CIS that forced
them to get their act together and start doing their job.
The CIS did not then and does not now have anything at all to do with
setting Visa Bulletin cutoff dates. The cutoff dates are managed by the
State Department. That agency is responsible for allocating visas each year
and, more importantly, seeing to it that visas are not wasted under the
quota. According to the USCIS Ombudsman, prior to 2007 the INS and the CIS,
through their incompetence, had wasted more than 600,000 visas in the 1995-
2006 interval. They did this by failing to approve enough adjustment of
status applications each year to use up the quota. If visas are not used in
the year in which they are allocated, they are lost forever.
In 2007, the State Department saw that the CIS was on pace to approve about
85,000 adjustment applications. That would have resulted in at least 40,000
visas being wasted. To prevent that from happening, the State Department
decided to make everyone "current" in the month of July. That allowed
overseas consular posts to issue visas to people who had opted for consular
processing and those additional visa issuances would have then exhausted the
quota. It also acted as a humiliating slap in the face to the CIS and
forced them to start approving cases at a faster rate.
When the State Department made everyone current, the CIS tried to defeat the
move by ordering 55,000 visas on July 2nd. That had the effect of
exhausting the quota. Of course, there was no way that the CIS would have
used all of them and a huge number would have been wasted. Legal actions
were filed immediately following July 2nd. There were a lot of negotiations
over the next two weeks and then the CIS threw in the towel and gave up.
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:09:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
现在最想弄明白的是
（１）USCIS能够给我们什么（在他们的权限或者能力范围之内）
（２）我们想要从USCIS得到什么？
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:32:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
不客气。07年以前浪费名额的责任确实USCIS为主。但从最近几年的情况看，奥本发下
去的名额，CIS基本都能用光，反而瓶颈在奥本这头，排期卡得太紧。尤其09年EB2C未
拿满的责任主要在奥本对EB2C排期卡得太紧。最近奥本给NIU的email中提到USCIS经常
超额使用奥本分下去的名额，然后奥本又在下个月的排期时候预扣这些超额使用的名额
，保守缩紧排期，所以USCIS这头感觉反而问题较小。当然两头都要盯是肯定的。
term.
forced
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:34:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
每月及时公布各国各EB & FB类别实批数据。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:42:43 2011, 美东) 提到:
那么，我们现在要USCIS做什么呢？我如果要他们收I－４８５，他们会说与他们不相干
，我应该去找奥本开放排期。我去找奥本，奥本会说USCIS突然用了很多名额。难道我
们只能要求USCIS提供数据？ 可是数据始终滞后几个月啊
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lettuce137 (lettuce137) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:46:16 2011, 美东) 提到:
让USCIS数数过去浪费了多少，说个准数，搞RECAPTURE。。。？
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cnus (会飞的猪) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:50:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
co?
USCIS就一个执行部门，既不管VB名额制定政策，也不管法律问题。不过支持任何积极
行动。
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:50:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
数据是相对较容易的部分可以先做。其他I-485提早递交等难度很高。
其实能要到数据已经很不容易了。CIS每月肯定有及时数据提供给奥本用于制定排期，
并不一定滞后几个月，只不过我们看不到及时数据而已。
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cnus (会飞的猪) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:54:25 2011, 美东) 提到:
是这样。JWE你这么懂，怎么不自己写一封，光你在这回答这些问题的时间，半封信肯
定都写好了。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 10:56:22 2011, 美东) 提到:
我听过JWE说话，英文很好的。
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cnus (会飞的猪) 于 (Mon Aug 15 11:03:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
非常好，全才。对移民法律也很懂。
可以说上知天文，下知地理，中知男女之事。哈哈哈
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 11:03:43 2011, 美东) 提到:
目前有专人负责USCIS的联系，信件初稿出来以后，我会提供修改意见。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 12:32:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
海外领事馆的数据USCIS也有吗？
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eastfire (~~随便提高晓松) 于 (Mon Aug 15 12:36:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
ding!
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 12:52:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
没有，海外领事馆归DOS管，可问奥本直接要。不过EB2海外领事馆比例很小，对排期的
影响也很小，优先级应排在CIS数据之后。
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aurorahe (等着瞧) 于 (Mon Aug 15 13:04:41 2011, 美东) 提到:
能不能要求：
对排期超过1年以上的国家，另开一个485的递交日期，比如订在当月VB的下六个月（或
一年，这个日期可根据485的预处理需要的时间和VB的前进速度而决定。当然这个日期
advance 越多，对我们越有利。）。
例如，现在VB是 4/15/2007，那485的递交日期就是 10/15/2007（假设485日期是VB的
下六个月）。
这样的好处是：
1。 485日期和VB日期不必一致，这样奥本在订VB的时候不用担心485库存为0的问题，
他就可以不用大放水，再退后来建立库存。
2。 上交的485都已经提前预处理，防止VB到期时因485未被处理而浪费名额。
欢迎大家补充。
我的最初想法就是485的日期不用合VB一致，这样奥本就不用很保守的反对这个提议。
因为奥本的压力就是订PD。如果和PD无关的，又对大家有利的（包括奥本），那他就不
用很排斥。
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 13:20:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
我觉得这是一个好主意，USCIS的可操作性很强。比全面放开递交485的方案会遇到的阻
力也小得多。
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flyongrass (草上飞) 于 (Mon Aug 15 13:35:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
Good idea!
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AutobotMirag (汽车人) 于 (Mon Aug 15 13:40:47 2011, 美东) 提到:
这个主意很好啊， 移民局可以更好的估计demand, 又不用倒退排期。 我觉得移民局
没有任何理由不采取这种方案。 当然我们最好能push一年的预处理时间。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 15:09:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
if USCIS says yes, that basically means Oppenheim is not important at all.
I doubt that USCIS will make any decision to invite protections from
Department of State.
But let's open this for more discussions.
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poppypoppy (poppypoppy) 于 (Mon Aug 15 15:20:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
要求个一年或一年半的提前量吧，让更多人受益，也有商讨的余地
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 15:33:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
他的这个意见没有涉及奥本制定VB的权利，甚至他485递交的日期也是从VB推出来的，所以
并不会招致奥本的反对。
唯一的难点在于要移民局更改它的政府行政法规8 CFR 245.1 (g) (1) http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2010/janqtr/8cfr245.1.htm，该页倒数第7段
“An immigrant visa is considered available for ACCEPTINGＡＮＤPROCESSING
the application Form I-485 is the preference category
applicant has a priority date on the waiting list which is earlier than
the date shown in the Bulletin ”
要把它改成“An immigrant visa is considered available for ACCEPTING the
application Form I-485 is the preference category applicant has a priority
date on the waiting list which is earlier than the date shown in the
Bulletin PLUS 6 MONTHS,
and an immigrant visa is considered available for PROCESSING the application
Form I-485 is the preference category applicant has a priority date on the
waiting list which is earlier than the date shown in the Bulletin ”
简而言之,就是把递交485和批准485排期二合一的行政规定改掉。这不需要国会立法，
政府部门自己可以改。但这个改动要有一定的手续和时间。
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cnus (会飞的猪) 于 (Mon Aug 15 15:54:33 2011, 美东) 提到:
这提议已经好几年了，不是时间问题，不知道卡在哪了。
，所以
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Beijing (中国万岁，北京加油) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:03:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
no one wants to take the responsible to say "yes"
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coolingfish (In Thinking..) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:10:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
如果想让人家做事，就要让人家了解对他们有什么好处。 大家想想， 如果我们提这个
要求，对我们有利， 对移民局，奥本等等， 会有什么好处？ 只有win-win的事情，别
人才会有动力。
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aurorahe (等着瞧) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:19:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
不知道原来的提议的具体内容是什么。
如果现在的提议和原来的有所不同，就可以重提，而且可以指出不同之处，和不同的原
因。
即便是完全相同，我们也可以再提。现在485已经有4年没收申请了，情况比原来严重的
多，支持的人（EB23 C I）也会比原来多很多。而且奥本很快会面临怎样开闸收485的
问题，我们的提议多给他提供一个尝试方向，未必会和以前一样被忽视。
即便是有再一次被忽视的可能，也应该给这个提议再一次一个可能。对不？
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unknownusers (sweetie) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:23:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
对
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aurorahe (等着瞧) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:24:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
非常同意！
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这样的好处是：
1。 485日期和VB日期不必一致，这样奥本在订VB的时候不用担心485库存为0的问题，
他就可以不用大放水，再退后来建立库存。
2。 上交的485都已经提前预处理，防止VB到期时因485未被处理而浪费名额。
欢迎大家补充。
我的最初想法就是485的日期不用合VB一致，这样奥本就不用很保守的反对这个提议。
因为奥本的压力就是订PD。如果和PD无关的，又对大家有利的（包括奥本），那他就不
用很排斥。
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coolingfish (In Thinking..) 于 (Mon Aug 15 16:37:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
赞！
还有一个对uscis的好处是， 他们funded by applicants. 485交的多， 他们来钱多
。
有了这些好处， 那我们需要
1。 再次给奥本建议这个提前交485
2。我们怎么去推动改变政府法规呢？ 美国这方面的步骤是什么？
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 17:34:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
原来的提议是递交485彻底抛弃VB，这条估计遭到DOS的强烈反对：
见http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=200904&RIN=1615-AB82
“Further, this proposed rule would remove an alien’s reliance on the
Department of State’s (DOS) Visa Bulletin to determine visa availability
and therefore eligibility to file for adjustment of status. Instead, the
rule proposes that USCIS utilize a registration process for intending
adjustment of status applicants by requiring an applicant to file a
registration packet after the granting of an immigrant petition and prior to
visa availability, based on the use of “qualifying dates” established by
DOS. ”
所以RIN 1615-AB82只在最初的提案中有上面这段话，在后面三次修正提案中已经见不
到这段话了，见
http://www.reginfo.gov/public/servlet/ForwardServlet?SearchTarg
最后在8/3/2010以Withdrawn 告终，http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201010&RIN=1615-AB82
但aurorahe的提议并没有彻底抛弃VB，而是依照VB来定递交485的日期，所以应该有较
高的接受度。
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coolingfish (In Thinking..) 于 (Mon Aug 15 17:49:22 2011, 美东) 提到:
jwe -
你太牛了!! 简直就是我们现在的指明灯阿！！！
如果我们要反映自己的意见，希望加到这些提案中，应该是一个什么样的步骤呢？
以前有这样的提案，被反对, withdraw也是正常的，我们可以用aurorahe的比较温和的
提议， 而且再加上这些好处 （预处理，不浪费名额。。）， 继续提议。
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jwe (Mike) 于 (Mon Aug 15 17:58:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
给新人一些科普而已，很多老人应该都知道我说的这些。
当初那个提案有谁提出，如何提出的我也不清楚。提案里面有个联系人Mark Phillips
Chief, Residence and Naturalization Division ，电话，email都有，我觉得可以跟
他问问。
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Norwooder (Norwooder) 于 (Mon Aug 15 18:28:35 2011, 美东) 提到:
想想开放I485会对USCIS 和DOS有什么实质性的损害吗？
没有啊，可以不断的多收钱，多养些雇员增加就业。大家在等待的时候也会安静很多，
减少对他们的压力和干扰。
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coolingfish (In Thinking..) 于 (Mon Aug 15 18:33:06 2011, 美东) 提到:
对， 在当前失业率这么高的情况下， 创造就业机会也是他们的功绩阿。
而且以民居前一段发布的那个administration fix， 给我们的感觉就是想解决问题却
没有找到合适的切入点，所以只好弄个不伦不类的东西。我们这里不少很好的的想法，
需要让他们听到。
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Mon Aug 15 23:45:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
大家的意见都吸收了，正在逐步落实，初稿已经完成，正在NIU内部交流，接受评改。
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aurorahe (等着瞧) 于 (Tue Aug 16 12:27:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
good job! please keep us posted. :)
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Helsinki (跑步然后桑拿) 于 (Fri Aug 19 09:34:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
From: "数据处处长"
Date: 2011年8月19日格林尼治标准时间-04007时14分43秒
To: Helsinki
Cc: "副处长甲""副处长乙"
Subject: NIU提出公布数据的要求
Mr. Helsinki,
Thank you for your interest in the work and services Citizenship and
Immigration Services (CIS) renders to the immigrant and non-immigrant
community. CIS is definitely interested in the needs of the community and
constantly attempts to produce useful reports for public use. I have listed
a number of reports that are on the CIS public website at http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis
Your specific request for monthly I-485 completion information, by category,
and by country, will be considered by our Office of Communications. The
report would be a very large data pull each month offering more detail than
the current I-485 completion reports available. The OS155A visa packets
that are completed at the consulates are not recorded by visa type or by
country and would thus be a large amount of data missing from the report.
CIS will certainly consider your request, however your best source of
information for filing the I-485s remains the monthly visa bulletin. Even
with your suggested report on the web each month there would not be any
indication of how the State Department would move the visa dates.
USCIS reports available on the public website:
Immigration Forms Data
USCIS regularly publishes a variety of reports on the numbers of application
receipts and other topics. See the following categories for current
reports.
Adjustment of Status
I-485 Performance Data
This report contains information on adjustment of status applications. The
number of receipts, approvals, denials, and pending cases are displayed by
fiscal year and by office.
Citizenship
N-600 Quarterly Performance Data
This report contains information on the adjudication of applications for
certificates of citizenship. The number of receipts, approvals, denials,
and pending cases are displayed by office for each quarter of the current
fiscal year.
N-644 Quarterly Performance Data
This report contains information on posthumous citizenship applications.
The number of receipts, approvals, denials, and pending cases are displayed
by office for each fiscal year since 1991, and quarterly for the current
fiscal year.
Employment-Based Benefit Requests
I-129 H2A Performance Data by State and Company
This quarterly report shows the Temporary Agricultural Worker (H-2A)
performance data. The number of cases received, approved, and denied during
the quarter are displayed by state and petitioning companies.
I-140 Performance Data by Class and Beneficiary Country of Birth
This quarterly report shows Immigrant Petition for Alien Worker performance
data. The number of cases approved are displayed by class and beneficiary
country of birth.
Family-Based Benefit Requests
I-130 Performance Data
This report contains information on alien relative petitions. The number of
petitions received, approved, denied, and pending cases are displayed by
fiscal year quarter and by USCIS office.
Naturalization
N-400 Average Cycle Times
This report shows the service-wide average processing times, in months, for
military and non-military naturalization applicants .
N-400 Performance Data
This report contains information on military and non-military naturalization
applications. The number of receipts, approvals, denials, and pending
cases are displayed by fiscal year and by office.
Victims of Trafficking in Person and Victims of Crime
I-914 (T) and I-918 (U) Visa Statistics
This report contains information on the Victims of Trafficking (T visa)
applications and the Victims of Crime (U visa) petitions. The number of
receipts, approvals, denials, and pending cases are displayed by fiscal year
and by office.
I-914 (T) and I-918 (U) Visa Quarterly Statistics
This report contains information on the Victims of Trafficking (T visa)
applications and the Victims of Crime (U visa) petitions. The number of
receipts, approvals, denials, and pending cases are displayed for each
quarter of the current fiscal year, by office.
Individual Applications and Petitions
All USCIS Application and Petition Form Types Performance Data
This report provides the total number of receipts and approvals, by quarter,
for all applications and petition form types submitted to USCIS for
adjudication.
Please let me know if you have any questions,
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