s****y
发帖数: 3416 | 1 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。 |
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 2 看在你的ID和我的那么相似的份上讲两句吧。
其实大部分开始都不是很喜欢写英文文章的（除了少数天生牛人），
大都是被逼出来的。
我的心得就是挑领域里面类似的文章，看看人家怎么写的。注意要看至少５篇，
如果只看一篇的话，很容易不自觉地就直接把那个文章里的话全部抄上去了。
然后写完后，搁起来一天，第二天再看一次，改一次。然后送出去让别人给意见，
然后再酌情改一下
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
|
d***a
发帖数: 13752 | |
a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 4 我们专业，对大多数人来说写文章都是个艰苦的过程。 |
c*******8
发帖数: 53 | 5 在我们领域，重点是写得让别人明白并且能重复你的方法和结果。 |
a****e
发帖数: 1662 | 6 偶非常喜欢做学问的。另外偶好象除了做点学问，也没有其他本事啦
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
|
z******i
发帖数: 879 | 7 我目前有大概可以写5-6篇文章的结果，但是还都没动手。写文章这事儿还是要有个
deadline，硬逼几天就写个差不多了，也会思路比较流畅。每天写一点不太现实。
俺同事都工作2年了，博士期间的论文还没写呢。
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】
: 我们专业，对大多数人来说写文章都是个艰苦的过程。
|
a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 8 哈哈，我也有6篇文章在手里，刚刚定了个计划什么时候投出去。
每天写一点儿的确不现实，我需要大块时间完全投入才能有效率。平时杂事太多了，当
然，混bbs也是个原因，自己的问题。
【在 z******i 的大作中提到】
: 我目前有大概可以写5-6篇文章的结果，但是还都没动手。写文章这事儿还是要有个
: deadline，硬逼几天就写个差不多了，也会思路比较流畅。每天写一点不太现实。
: 俺同事都工作2年了，博士期间的论文还没写呢。
|
g********r
发帖数: 8017 | 9 看reviewer意见有时候有被打闷棍的感觉。疼啊疼的就习惯了。 |
d******u
发帖数: 111 | 10 why waste time writing papers? It would be much more valuable to make some
real product or develop processes for commercialization. It is useless to do
science. |
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a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 11 You have no idea of what science is. The people like you are the reasons why
China is behind in science and has to "copy" technologies developed in
other nations. Your idol Bill Gates has said that, if every research (
project) can lead to commercialization or product, it only means that the
research is not thorough (deep) enough. There is a reason why Gates is so
successful: he understands and respects Science.
do
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: why waste time writing papers? It would be much more valuable to make some
: real product or develop processes for commercialization. It is useless to do
: science.
|
a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 12 This is pretty normal process for a graduate student. It will pay off when
your paper is published.I like the feeling that my paper is published and
cited by others. To get that feeling more often, I like to write a paper as
long as we have good data.
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
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r****z
发帖数: 393 | 13 没当过老板,我发文章的主要动力就是为了报答我的老板们,他们对我一直很nice,从不
push,现在phd的工作不好找,他们一个个接收我直到我找到现在的这个dream offer,所
以无以回报,就是把文章写好. |
f*******e
发帖数: 802 | 14 边改变咬牙切齿地说，等我成大牛了也来批你、让你改道吐 |
d******u
发帖数: 111 | 15 Great to hear what you said. This means you know nothing about science,
which is just a useless dream. I do deep research to commercialize stuff,
not copy. If you just do science that can't be commercialized, you are just
trash to make a living. Useless deep science is trash, which will be funded
only when some people have useless and unreachable dreams. too naive, you
are. Bill gates is nothing, not my idol, maybe yours.
why
【在 a***9 的大作中提到】
: You have no idea of what science is. The people like you are the reasons why
: China is behind in science and has to "copy" technologies developed in
: other nations. Your idol Bill Gates has said that, if every research (
: project) can lead to commercialization or product, it only means that the
: research is not thorough (deep) enough. There is a reason why Gates is so
: successful: he understands and respects Science.
:
: do
|
s****y
发帖数: 3416 | 16 Good to know that this is normal. I don't want to be stamped "not suitable
for research" yet without giving it a try. I will at least try to publish a
first-author manuscript before I decide I like it or not. Every job has its
pitfalls anyway and getting your name on a paper is not a small deal.
I hope people can share more about how this process is like. The more you
write the more you like it? I hope so...
One thing that I know is that the more you know your field, the easier you
write it up because it's much easier to write up the introduction and
discussion sessions.
as
【在 a***9 的大作中提到】
: This is pretty normal process for a graduate student. It will pay off when
: your paper is published.I like the feeling that my paper is published and
: cited by others. To get that feeling more often, I like to write a paper as
: long as we have good data.
|
m****e
发帖数: 282 | 17 我成不了大牛了, 我他妈就吐阿吐,没的吐了,恶心我也没用,OH YEAH.
【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: 边改变咬牙切齿地说，等我成大牛了也来批你、让你改道吐
|
e*****y
发帖数: 1192 | 18 Writing is an art and is difficult for everyone. Although talent plays a major role in becoming a good writer,
it takes a long process and enormous training for anyone to write well.
That being said, anyone can learn some practical tricks that can be easily
adopted. In my case, once in a while
I set my specific goal of writing first (e.g., a proposal by the end of May)
, and then design a writing schedule
with small tasks for each day or week (e.g., Section II.A on Monday). Then,
allocate a fixed period of time
everyday on writing. Do not judge your writing, just write, write, write.
After you are done, revise, revise, revise!
When you are not writing, read good papers.
a
its
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: Good to know that this is normal. I don't want to be stamped "not suitable
: for research" yet without giving it a try. I will at least try to publish a
: first-author manuscript before I decide I like it or not. Every job has its
: pitfalls anyway and getting your name on a paper is not a small deal.
: I hope people can share more about how this process is like. The more you
: write the more you like it? I hope so...
: One thing that I know is that the more you know your field, the easier you
: write it up because it's much easier to write up the introduction and
: discussion sessions.
:
|
e*****y
发帖数: 1192 | 19 You should feel lucky to have someone who really took the time to improve
the writing of your paper.
Every profession has its own pains and joys. It all depends on what you can
take and can't.
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
|
a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 20 What a poor guy...
just
funded
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: Great to hear what you said. This means you know nothing about science,
: which is just a useless dream. I do deep research to commercialize stuff,
: not copy. If you just do science that can't be commercialized, you are just
: trash to make a living. Useless deep science is trash, which will be funded
: only when some people have useless and unreachable dreams. too naive, you
: are. Bill gates is nothing, not my idol, maybe yours.
:
: why
|
|
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d******u
发帖数: 111 | 21 you too.
【在 a***9 的大作中提到】
: What a poor guy...
:
: just
: funded
|
f*******e
发帖数: 802 | 22 好吧，再把你的按nual review贴上“need to be more productive in journal
publication”，有动力没？
哭~继续写去。 |
S*********s
发帖数: 28 | 23 写好文章确实需要克服很多困难，但是把自己idea说清楚，improve自己的过程也蛮有意
思的。
写的时候可以多和同行交流。
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
|
e**p
发帖数: 4259 | 24 我都是读几十篇以上，相关的非相关的，才能写上一篇，东抄抄西抄抄，然后加上自己
的语言，整合，然后被老板们一改，完全都是自己的话
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 看在你的ID和我的那么相似的份上讲两句吧。
: 其实大部分开始都不是很喜欢写英文文章的（除了少数天生牛人），
: 大都是被逼出来的。
: 我的心得就是挑领域里面类似的文章，看看人家怎么写的。注意要看至少５篇，
: 如果只看一篇的话，很容易不自觉地就直接把那个文章里的话全部抄上去了。
: 然后写完后，搁起来一天，第二天再看一次，改一次。然后送出去让别人给意见，
: 然后再酌情改一下
|
o**********y
发帖数: 334 | 25 我也正写着呢。。好像有拖延症一样，总是要看很多才敢下手。其实还就是写了再改。
我就是写的太慢了。很气馁。写一般的research paper还好，思路都还清晰。写review
，太痛苦了。。。 |
l*******d
发帖数: 275 | 26 Review depends. If you understand the paper well enough, it's not
difficult to write a good long review. It's difficult when the paper is
not on the topics I'm most familiar with. Such reviews tend to be
superficial.
review
【在 o**********y 的大作中提到】
: 我也正写着呢。。好像有拖延症一样，总是要看很多才敢下手。其实还就是写了再改。
: 我就是写的太慢了。很气馁。写一般的research paper还好，思路都还清晰。写review
: ，太痛苦了。。。
|
o**********y
发帖数: 334 | 27 是的。其实我写的还真是个新领域。所以很慢。而且自己还是perfectionist.
嗯，在这里看帖子，但还不是faculty，postdoc而已，呵呵。老板叫写的。
【在 l*******d 的大作中提到】
: Review depends. If you understand the paper well enough, it's not
: difficult to write a good long review. It's difficult when the paper is
: not on the topics I'm most familiar with. Such reviews tend to be
: superficial.
:
: review
|
b**********0
发帖数: 53 | 28 When I wrote my first paper during my Ph.D. study, I could not appreciate
the importance of writing, and I tended to regard it as a waste of time when
my advisor told me to revise my paper 50 times before sending to him for
final touch. Over time, I understood that writing is much more than putting
word in paper, but it is an importance, multi-faceted process: 1) a process
of refining your thinking about a problem and a solution, 2) a process of
formalizing intuitions, 3) a process of uncovering drawbacks of your (
potentially imperfect) solutions, 4) a process of communicating with your
potential readers by "talking" to them from their perspectives so that they
can understand, and, of course, 5) a process of fun and frustration (
sometimes) ...
If you do not fully appreciate the importance of writing now, just do is in
the best manner you can and try to minimize the revisions your advisor has
to do him/her-self. When your advisor cannot give you any advice on writing
any more, perhaps you will know whey it is important to write well.
A bible on writing could be the book "Elements of Style".
【在 s****y 的大作中提到】
: 在写一篇manuscript，被其中一个老师批的很多，挺frustrated的，虽然很多评语都很
: 对，只是因为比较严苛所以感觉改
: 了几次还有大量的事情要做。当然我也把那manuscript放下很久了才重拾起来。现在因
: 为就要回国想在本周内交给导师。
: 每天看一下解决几个评语。但还是觉得不大坐得住。坐久了腰酸背痛的。
: 请问一下做faculty或做研究的是不是都很喜欢看文献写文章？有没有什么建议能够更
: 无痛的完成一篇文章？就是什么秘诀
: 之类的。我也有些喜欢其中的过程吧，尤其是看到自己的名字在database里面的虚荣心
: 。只是看文章和改文章还是要很耐得
: 住寂寞和苦力的才行吧。
|
u**b
发帖数: 5366 | 29 strongly agree.
writing paper is the final step of research.
when
putting
process
they
【在 b**********0 的大作中提到】
: When I wrote my first paper during my Ph.D. study, I could not appreciate
: the importance of writing, and I tended to regard it as a waste of time when
: my advisor told me to revise my paper 50 times before sending to him for
: final touch. Over time, I understood that writing is much more than putting
: word in paper, but it is an importance, multi-faceted process: 1) a process
: of refining your thinking about a problem and a solution, 2) a process of
: formalizing intuitions, 3) a process of uncovering drawbacks of your (
: potentially imperfect) solutions, 4) a process of communicating with your
: potential readers by "talking" to them from their perspectives so that they
: can understand, and, of course, 5) a process of fun and frustration (
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