h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 1 我经常看经济学人,但是它的金融领域强,企业栏目同八卦杂志的水平差不多(虽然最近
开辟了熊比特专栏,力求解决这个问题. 可是经济学家中,自Joseph Schumpeter之后,对
企业研究的薄弱,从这个专栏的名字就可以看出来了)
我以前看了几篇Harvard Business Review中的文章,觉得不错,可是最近真正看了它们
的杂志,觉得都是空话废话连篇. 难道管理真的是艺术,没有好的杂志么(blog也行啊)? | b****e
发帖数: 460 | 2 有同感，Harvard Business Review以前出的小本子还可以，现在的杂志水平有限。对企
业的研究还是得看真正的企业家写的文章。
本质上我对没干过事实的人写的文章有抵触情绪。原因是办成一个成功的企业所需要的
知识比成为一个成功的经院派专栏作家所需要的知识更多更真实。
【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: 我经常看经济学人,但是它的金融领域强,企业栏目同八卦杂志的水平差不多(虽然最近
: 开辟了熊比特专栏,力求解决这个问题. 可是经济学家中,自Joseph Schumpeter之后,对
: 企业研究的薄弱,从这个专栏的名字就可以看出来了)
: 我以前看了几篇Harvard Business Review中的文章,觉得不错,可是最近真正看了它们
: 的杂志,觉得都是空话废话连篇. 难道管理真的是艺术,没有好的杂志么(blog也行啊)?
| h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 3 So can you recommend some entrepreneurs' article? I actually have never seen
one that is of high quality. I guess some might never want to disclose the
secret that is the source of the competitive advangage. But most others,
well I remember a quote that discribes them well: "At first, they got lucky
and then they think they are smart."
Some of the entrepreneurs who wrote like they got everything figured out in
the corporate world: from finding and motivating the employees, to how to
maximize the
【在 b****e 的大作中提到】
: 有同感，Harvard Business Review以前出的小本子还可以，现在的杂志水平有限。对企
: 业的研究还是得看真正的企业家写的文章。
: 本质上我对没干过事实的人写的文章有抵触情绪。原因是办成一个成功的企业所需要的
: 知识比成为一个成功的经院派专栏作家所需要的知识更多更真实。
| d*****z
发帖数: 114 | 4 的确很难找到合适的杂志。也许可以多看看一些顶尖企业家写的书或自传。再就是比如
peter drucker的书，虽说老了一点，不少内容非常有意思。
【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: 我经常看经济学人,但是它的金融领域强,企业栏目同八卦杂志的水平差不多(虽然最近
: 开辟了熊比特专栏,力求解决这个问题. 可是经济学家中,自Joseph Schumpeter之后,对
: 企业研究的薄弱,从这个专栏的名字就可以看出来了)
: 我以前看了几篇Harvard Business Review中的文章,觉得不错,可是最近真正看了它们
: 的杂志,觉得都是空话废话连篇. 难道管理真的是艺术,没有好的杂志么(blog也行啊)?
| d*****z
发帖数: 114 | 5 这个系列也可以看一看。
http://googlechinablog.com/2007/07/at.html
【在 d*****z 的大作中提到】
: 的确很难找到合适的杂志。也许可以多看看一些顶尖企业家写的书或自传。再就是比如
: peter drucker的书，虽说老了一点，不少内容非常有意思。
| w*******o
发帖数: 6125 | 6 "Can you recommend some entrepreneurs' article?"
for entrepreneurs
古人学问无遗力，少壮工夫老始成。
纸上得来终觉浅，绝知此事要躬行。
陆游 《冬夜读书示子聿》 | s********n
发帖数: 1962 | 7 jing pi
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: "Can you recommend some entrepreneurs' article?"
: for entrepreneurs
: 古人学问无遗力，少壮工夫老始成。
: 纸上得来终觉浅，绝知此事要躬行。
: 陆游 《冬夜读书示子聿》
| h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 8 I find a lot people having such disdain of theory, but it is misplaced.
Experience is only about past, only theory can be used to predict about the
future. The managers are using "theory" one way or another when they face
day-to-day decisions that require a forecast of the future. If they don't
rely on solid theory, they would rely on the weak theory they come up
themselves.
The key word here is "solid", which is difficult in the management area.
Like I said, most articles on HBR, etc are garbag
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: "Can you recommend some entrepreneurs' article?"
: for entrepreneurs
: 古人学问无遗力，少壮工夫老始成。
: 纸上得来终觉浅，绝知此事要躬行。
: 陆游 《冬夜读书示子聿》
| s********n
发帖数: 1962 | 9 Well said.
But hand-on experience is just as important as theory. It's kind of like
that you cannot fully benefit from MBA courses if you don't have any
working experience. (Actually personally I think it's pointless to be
in MBA program if one doesn't have working experience.)
the
a
【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: I find a lot people having such disdain of theory, but it is misplaced.
: Experience is only about past, only theory can be used to predict about the
: future. The managers are using "theory" one way or another when they face
: day-to-day decisions that require a forecast of the future. If they don't
: rely on solid theory, they would rely on the weak theory they come up
: themselves.
: The key word here is "solid", which is difficult in the management area.
: Like I said, most articles on HBR, etc are garbag
| b****e
发帖数: 460 | 10 那两个什么都要硬，俩手一起抓说得就是这个。
the
a
【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: I find a lot people having such disdain of theory, but it is misplaced.
: Experience is only about past, only theory can be used to predict about the
: future. The managers are using "theory" one way or another when they face
: day-to-day decisions that require a forecast of the future. If they don't
: rely on solid theory, they would rely on the weak theory they come up
: themselves.
: The key word here is "solid", which is difficult in the management area.
: Like I said, most articles on HBR, etc are garbag
| h*******y
发帖数: 864 | 11 Of course, theory is only relevant if it can help you solve the specific
problems that one faces at work. The quest for one-size-fit-all solution/
theory is futile. If such thing exists, it will be learnt by all
corporations around the world, and there will be no competitive edge
achieved following that solution.
Insist on a theory describing the circumstances that it works and the
circumstances that it doesn't work is essential. However, even many
management "gurus" do not understand that. Like
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: Well said.
: But hand-on experience is just as important as theory. It's kind of like
: that you cannot fully benefit from MBA courses if you don't have any
: working experience. (Actually personally I think it's pointless to be
: in MBA program if one doesn't have working experience.)
:
: the
: a
| w*******o
发帖数: 6125 | 12 既然你这么执著的要看，说说我的看法吧。
你说的管理杂志，我不知道你想了解是哪方面的管理，
既然你说是企业管理，我就理解为一般的operation management,
而不是特定的比如supply chain,strategy managment, etc.
跟操作机器不同，管理上是没有“用户手册”，相反，
任何决策都取决于问题的范畴和背景，从这个角度看，我觉得
目前的管理杂志可以大概有三类，学术性的，比如Harvard
business review, Wharton Knowledgebase 这些，一类是
咨询公司，比如Mckinsey Quaterly之类的，一类是实战类
的，比如中国的“中国企业家”之类的。对一般人来说，
Mckinsey的那些可以让你对产业和宏观经济有一个清晰的脉络，
比如应该发展那个行业，但一旦回到管理上，都有点
太过阳春白雪，因为理论上升到一定高度，其实都是废话来的，
比如巴菲特把自己的选股标准都公开出来了，其实都是废话，
真正能够复制的没几个，因为不在于理论，而在于实践，
比如人家可以跟公司的CEO打高尔夫，你行吗? 同样道理，
实践类的管理杂志，比
【在 h*******y 的大作中提到】
: I find a lot people having such disdain of theory, but it is misplaced.
: Experience is only about past, only theory can be used to predict about the
: future. The managers are using "theory" one way or another when they face
: day-to-day decisions that require a forecast of the future. If they don't
: rely on solid theory, they would rely on the weak theory they come up
: themselves.
: The key word here is "solid", which is difficult in the management area.
: Like I said, most articles on HBR, etc are garbag
| b****e
发帖数: 460 | 13
我的看法是，理论派实践派都很重要，但是HBR杂志水平还是有限的，看书还是很重要的
。看报纸杂志就像翻砖头找蛐蛐儿一样，关键是要翻的多。而且看报纸杂志主要看得是
新世界的新趋势新动向。经典的东东还是在书里。甚至经典的东东在没关系的书里。比
如strategy的书，最好的其实是孙子兵法，春秋，三国这类的。比如管理人的书，最好
的居然是Dale Carnegie的书。当然，也得看行业的企业家的书籍，比如零售业，就得看
Sam Walton的书，Jim Sinegal的讲话，Ingvar Kamprad的书，Simon Marks的书。
看得书报杂志多到一定程度就会有所谓的Lollapalooza效应。八飞之所以这么牛是因为
他在10岁的时候就把当地图书馆里所有的证券投资的书籍全看过了，Valueline，Moody
's杂志1万页1万页的一个字不落的看。当然最好的效果是实践和理论相结合。这个东东
就像写电脑程序一样，多看书多看别人的code都很重要，自己多思考多写code更重要。
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: 既然你这么执著的要看，说说我的看法吧。
: 你说的管理杂志，我不知道你想了解是哪方面的管理，
: 既然你说是企业管理，我就理解为一般的operation management,
: 而不是特定的比如supply chain,strategy managment, etc.
: 跟操作机器不同，管理上是没有“用户手册”，相反，
: 任何决策都取决于问题的范畴和背景，从这个角度看，我觉得
: 目前的管理杂志可以大概有三类，学术性的，比如Harvard
: business review, Wharton Knowledgebase 这些，一类是
: 咨询公司，比如Mckinsey Quaterly之类的，一类是实战类
: 的，比如中国的“中国企业家”之类的。对一般人来说，
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