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Living版 - 皮沙发和纤维沙发之争其实是实木和烂米之争一样
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皮沙发科普(3)请大家帮忙参考参考家具。谢谢
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去哪儿买简单便宜的皮沙发?首先祝大家蛇年快乐!另外,请教个问题:
皮沙发。。什么皮好可以自己做沙发套吗?
相关话题的讨论汇总
话题: leather话题: bonded话题: aniline话题: finished话题: hm
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J**S
发帖数: 25790
1
各有优缺点,
挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了。
c****o
发帖数: 32446
2
这个完全不是一回事
z***9
发帖数: 1052
3
agree '挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了'
don't agree '各有优缺点'
bonded leather doesn't have any '优点' over real quality leather. not even
price, although it's cheaper, its profit margin might be higher because of
the cost of the material is extremely low. do you know how hancock moore
deal with their wasted leather? $2 a pound, which is actually much better
than bonded leather. the material to make bonded leather really used to be
junk at the tannery.

【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 各有优缺点,
: 挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了。

J**S
发帖数: 25790
4
啥是bonded leather ?
怎么知道是bonded leather ?

even

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: agree '挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了'
: don't agree '各有优缺点'
: bonded leather doesn't have any '优点' over real quality leather. not even
: price, although it's cheaper, its profit margin might be higher because of
: the cost of the material is extremely low. do you know how hancock moore
: deal with their wasted leather? $2 a pound, which is actually much better
: than bonded leather. the material to make bonded leather really used to be
: junk at the tannery.

L**P
发帖数: 3792
5
皮沙发 vs 纤维沙发
not 皮沙发 vs bonded 皮

even

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: agree '挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了'
: don't agree '各有优缺点'
: bonded leather doesn't have any '优点' over real quality leather. not even
: price, although it's cheaper, its profit margin might be higher because of
: the cost of the material is extremely low. do you know how hancock moore
: deal with their wasted leather? $2 a pound, which is actually much better
: than bonded leather. the material to make bonded leather really used to be
: junk at the tannery.

c****o
发帖数: 32446
6
就是山寨皮

【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 啥是bonded leather ?
: 怎么知道是bonded leather ?
:
: even

z***9
发帖数: 1052
7
if it's leather vs fabric, then it's really a subjective choice.
in terms of durability though, leather outlasts fabric by 4 times.

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 皮沙发 vs 纤维沙发
: not 皮沙发 vs bonded 皮
:
: even

J**S
发帖数: 25790
8
哦, 那我是指的真皮。
人造皮或者革的,我不看。

【在 c****o 的大作中提到】
: 就是山寨皮
c****o
发帖数: 32446
9
到也不是人造皮或者革。这是指碎的真皮重新搞到一块儿的皮

【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 哦, 那我是指的真皮。
: 人造皮或者革的,我不看。

p*****p
发帖数: 19331
10
纤维沙发是什么?布沙发么?
读书读傻了吧,布都不会说了

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 皮沙发 vs 纤维沙发
: not 皮沙发 vs bonded 皮
:
: even

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皮沙发是genuine leather的好还是bonded leather的好?最便宜的真皮长沙发要多少钱,请推荐
去哪儿买简单便宜的皮沙发?这是什么"leather"
皮沙发。。什么皮好请大家帮忙参考参考家具。谢谢
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J**S
发帖数: 25790
11
布的也算纤维吧,
有的叫MICROFIBER什么的。

【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 纤维沙发是什么?布沙发么?
: 读书读傻了吧,布都不会说了

p*****p
发帖数: 19331
12
我无语了
你要是和老农民说,我买了一个纤维沙发。人家肯定不知道你说什么。看到实物:靠!
不就是布沙发么!?

【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 布的也算纤维吧,
: 有的叫MICROFIBER什么的。

L**P
发帖数: 3792
13
你骂楼主傻?楼主的新词,和我无关

【在 p*****p 的大作中提到】
: 纤维沙发是什么?布沙发么?
: 读书读傻了吧,布都不会说了

z***9
发帖数: 1052
14
here is better definition of bonded leather from an expert
Every hide is split and the top of the hide becomes TOP GRAIN leather, what
you want. The lower part is the 'splits' and can be made into a suede or
bonded leather. It lacks tensile strength, so its chemically bonded to a
polypropylene sheet and then painted - with the grain pattern embossed into
the hide. And its junk. It lacks the strength of real leather in the fibers,
and yes, a trained eye can detect it pretty easily (best from the underside
). There is no treatment that will prolong the life span of that product and
it can never look like a pure aniline, because its painted.
p*****p
发帖数: 19331
15
恩,我就是批评搂主的,和你无关
虽然J妹很能干,有缺点我还是要指出来

【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: 你骂楼主傻?楼主的新词,和我无关
w******u
发帖数: 5413
16
赞这个学术....
可惜索男不看e文

what
into
fibers,
underside
and

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: here is better definition of bonded leather from an expert
: Every hide is split and the top of the hide becomes TOP GRAIN leather, what
: you want. The lower part is the 'splits' and can be made into a suede or
: bonded leather. It lacks tensile strength, so its chemically bonded to a
: polypropylene sheet and then painted - with the grain pattern embossed into
: the hide. And its junk. It lacks the strength of real leather in the fibers,
: and yes, a trained eye can detect it pretty easily (best from the underside
: ). There is no treatment that will prolong the life span of that product and
: it can never look like a pure aniline, because its painted.

s*******l
发帖数: 2093
17
我们买的bradington young。Aniline 据说很容易stain scratch,还有一种叫
finished leather,说是表明有coating的,但价格却便宜,不会是bonded leather吧。

what
into
fibers,
underside
and

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: here is better definition of bonded leather from an expert
: Every hide is split and the top of the hide becomes TOP GRAIN leather, what
: you want. The lower part is the 'splits' and can be made into a suede or
: bonded leather. It lacks tensile strength, so its chemically bonded to a
: polypropylene sheet and then painted - with the grain pattern embossed into
: the hide. And its junk. It lacks the strength of real leather in the fibers,
: and yes, a trained eye can detect it pretty easily (best from the underside
: ). There is no treatment that will prolong the life span of that product and
: it can never look like a pure aniline, because its painted.

u*********e
发帖数: 9616
18
翻译一下,就是布上刷层漆,冒充皮,其实还不如人造革。

what
into
fibers,
underside
and

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: here is better definition of bonded leather from an expert
: Every hide is split and the top of the hide becomes TOP GRAIN leather, what
: you want. The lower part is the 'splits' and can be made into a suede or
: bonded leather. It lacks tensile strength, so its chemically bonded to a
: polypropylene sheet and then painted - with the grain pattern embossed into
: the hide. And its junk. It lacks the strength of real leather in the fibers,
: and yes, a trained eye can detect it pretty easily (best from the underside
: ). There is no treatment that will prolong the life span of that product and
: it can never look like a pure aniline, because its painted.

z***9
发帖数: 1052
19
Aniline is very easy with stain, it will absorb the stain after a few days
and the stain will just disappear.
finished leather is not bonded. the difference of finished and aniline is
just like stain and paint on wood.
when a batch of hides are sent to a tannery, the best hides (<5%) are
selected for aniline dyed. another majority that are less desirable, more
markings, scars, color inconsistent etc. were for finished leather.
finished leather will be first sanded down to even out and then spray
painted.
finsihed leather is still real leather, but the coating covered up all the
raw feelings of an aniline leather will give you. it is less breathable too,
so you may feel hot in summer and cold in winter with some poor quality
finished leather.
it does have merits though, it defends its color from sunlight better, and
that's why all the leather on car seats are finsihed leather

吧。

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: 我们买的bradington young。Aniline 据说很容易stain scratch,还有一种叫
: finished leather,说是表明有coating的,但价格却便宜,不会是bonded leather吧。
:
: what
: into
: fibers,
: underside
: and

s*******l
发帖数: 2093
20

Just disappear? 不会吧。我看bradington young自己网站上说,现在越来越多的人选
择finished
leather because of low maintainance. 我看你是hm的fans,你买的是哪种皮?好打
理吗?
ok, that's why it's cheaper..

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: Aniline is very easy with stain, it will absorb the stain after a few days
: and the stain will just disappear.
: finished leather is not bonded. the difference of finished and aniline is
: just like stain and paint on wood.
: when a batch of hides are sent to a tannery, the best hides (<5%) are
: selected for aniline dyed. another majority that are less desirable, more
: markings, scars, color inconsistent etc. were for finished leather.
: finished leather will be first sanded down to even out and then spray
: painted.
: finsihed leather is still real leather, but the coating covered up all the

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皮沙发 vs. 布沙发首先祝大家蛇年快乐!另外,请教个问题:
皮沙发冬天冷不冷?可以自己做沙发套吗?
costco的这套沙发怎么样?皮沙发粘衣服上的纤维怎么解决?
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z***9
发帖数: 1052
21
bradington young 有时候就是不老实,他们比HM低一档,希望大家认为低一档的皮反
而更好。他们的网站上和某些他们的dealer还经常含蓄的说他们的frame是实木的,还
是8 way hand tied的,其实都不是。他们的东西质量是还不错,但比HM确实低一档,
从任何一个制作工艺上都差一点,他们用的皮也大部分是HM挑剩下的。
说我是HM的fans我承认,因为确实做的好。我的HM沙发,椅子,ottoman都是aniline,
以后再买也还是会买aniline。aniline的舒适是painted leather所没有的。
maintenance是有的,一年擦两次,上两次conditioner就好了(这样的maintenance对
finished leather也是要做的)。目前为止,从来没什么stain scratch。
越来越多的人选择finished leather是事实,因为现在的家具市场消费趋势就是欢欢化
,越便宜越好,大家对价格都很敏感,的确像欢欢说的,很多人的家具用几年就扔掉了
。确实没必要买那么好的。我喜欢把一件质量好的东西一直用下去的那种感觉,所以会
选择好的。

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
:
: Just disappear? 不会吧。我看bradington young自己网站上说,现在越来越多的人选
: 择finished
: leather because of low maintainance. 我看你是hm的fans,你买的是哪种皮?好打
: 理吗?
: ok, that's why it's cheaper..

u*********e
发帖数: 9616
22
你上什么conditioner呀?我现在就是那肥皂水擦擦然后清水擦擦,不知道还用什么。
不过我觉得的等我儿子大点了,我得买个沙发罩了。家里有小子伤不起啊。

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: bradington young 有时候就是不老实,他们比HM低一档,希望大家认为低一档的皮反
: 而更好。他们的网站上和某些他们的dealer还经常含蓄的说他们的frame是实木的,还
: 是8 way hand tied的,其实都不是。他们的东西质量是还不错,但比HM确实低一档,
: 从任何一个制作工艺上都差一点,他们用的皮也大部分是HM挑剩下的。
: 说我是HM的fans我承认,因为确实做的好。我的HM沙发,椅子,ottoman都是aniline,
: 以后再买也还是会买aniline。aniline的舒适是painted leather所没有的。
: maintenance是有的,一年擦两次,上两次conditioner就好了(这样的maintenance对
: finished leather也是要做的)。目前为止,从来没什么stain scratch。
: 越来越多的人选择finished leather是事实,因为现在的家具市场消费趋势就是欢欢化
: ,越便宜越好,大家对价格都很敏感,的确像欢欢说的,很多人的家具用几年就扔掉了

z***9
发帖数: 1052
23
leather magic, HM指定的cleaner,conditioner。
你注册了你的沙发没有,我注册以后,HM就送了我一套。
如果你没注册。记得要注册。还有一个福利不知道你知道不,只要你是orginial owner
,你的沙发垫子是免费终身更换的(如果你的沙发是用垫子的)。一般再好的垫子坐5
年以后都会不同程度塌的。告诉你的dealer去联系HM,他们就会给你寄一套新的,连运
费都不用你出的。

【在 u*********e 的大作中提到】
: 你上什么conditioner呀?我现在就是那肥皂水擦擦然后清水擦擦,不知道还用什么。
: 不过我觉得的等我儿子大点了,我得买个沙发罩了。家里有小子伤不起啊。

u*********e
发帖数: 9616
24
不知道!哈哈,谢谢告知。

owner
5

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: leather magic, HM指定的cleaner,conditioner。
: 你注册了你的沙发没有,我注册以后,HM就送了我一套。
: 如果你没注册。记得要注册。还有一个福利不知道你知道不,只要你是orginial owner
: ,你的沙发垫子是免费终身更换的(如果你的沙发是用垫子的)。一般再好的垫子坐5
: 年以后都会不同程度塌的。告诉你的dealer去联系HM,他们就会给你寄一套新的,连运
: 费都不用你出的。

m*f
发帖数: 8162
25
是学文的吧。。。
Full-grain leather和bonded leather是实木和烂米的关系还比较类似。。。
皮沙发和纤维沙发更像木地板和地毯之间的关系。。。

【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 各有优缺点,
: 挑你喜欢的,让别人去议论就成了。

P****i
发帖数: 12972
26
有道理
更像车版的皮椅和布椅

【在 m*f 的大作中提到】
: 是学文的吧。。。
: Full-grain leather和bonded leather是实木和烂米的关系还比较类似。。。
: 皮沙发和纤维沙发更像木地板和地毯之间的关系。。。

s*******l
发帖数: 2093
27
Aniline的话万一洒个果汁之类能handle吗?我们家family room用的最多,所以我坚定
要上finished leather,但我lg觉得aniline漂亮。我们现在还让sales hold我们的
order呢,10号前一定要定哪种leather了

【在 z***9 的大作中提到】
: bradington young 有时候就是不老实,他们比HM低一档,希望大家认为低一档的皮反
: 而更好。他们的网站上和某些他们的dealer还经常含蓄的说他们的frame是实木的,还
: 是8 way hand tied的,其实都不是。他们的东西质量是还不错,但比HM确实低一档,
: 从任何一个制作工艺上都差一点,他们用的皮也大部分是HM挑剩下的。
: 说我是HM的fans我承认,因为确实做的好。我的HM沙发,椅子,ottoman都是aniline,
: 以后再买也还是会买aniline。aniline的舒适是painted leather所没有的。
: maintenance是有的,一年擦两次,上两次conditioner就好了(这样的maintenance对
: finished leather也是要做的)。目前为止,从来没什么stain scratch。
: 越来越多的人选择finished leather是事实,因为现在的家具市场消费趋势就是欢欢化
: ,越便宜越好,大家对价格都很敏感,的确像欢欢说的,很多人的家具用几年就扔掉了

z***9
发帖数: 1052
28
you should ask for leather samples, take the samples home, and try it with
different stains. as far as I know juice should be fine.

【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: Aniline的话万一洒个果汁之类能handle吗?我们家family room用的最多,所以我坚定
: 要上finished leather,但我lg觉得aniline漂亮。我们现在还让sales hold我们的
: order呢,10号前一定要定哪种leather了

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奉劝大家不要买皮沙发皮沙发。。什么皮好
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皮沙发科普(3)请大家帮忙参考参考家具。谢谢
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