a*****o
发帖数: 174 | 1 身边很多朋友都在schedule interview dates。 记得以前eric说把不好的prg放在前边
当iv练习，最想去但不prematch的放在靠后。
但是大家都是怎么衡量一个prg是好还是malignant的呢？光靠freida的那个faculty
ratio能说明问题吗？ 同学们还有没有其他经验可以share的？
也借此讨论一下怎样合理安排iv。我想如果把给prematch又并不算太差的prg是不是可
以放在12月头？还是这已经算有点晚了？
安排面试和面试之后，都会面临这个如何衡量prg的问题，烦请各位前辈指导，大家讨
论一下吧： | D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 2 Rich man's problem. Doesnt concern us poor people.
【在 a*****o 的大作中提到】
: 身边很多朋友都在schedule interview dates。 记得以前eric说把不好的prg放在前边
: 当iv练习，最想去但不prematch的放在靠后。
: 但是大家都是怎么衡量一个prg是好还是malignant的呢？光靠freida的那个faculty
: ratio能说明问题吗？ 同学们还有没有其他经验可以share的？
: 也借此讨论一下怎样合理安排iv。我想如果把给prematch又并不算太差的prg是不是可
: 以放在12月头？还是这已经算有点晚了？
: 安排面试和面试之后，都会面临这个如何衡量prg的问题，烦请各位前辈指导，大家讨
: 论一下吧：
| e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 3 Basically a few “less-desirable”programs first for warming up, then the
programs which offer pre-match and you like to attend. After that the
programs you like but no pre-match offers. Finally, all other backups. In
reality sometimes it's not easy to arrange due to schedule conflicts.
Last year I did several interviews in November, then 16 interviews in the
first 3 weeks of December. I also attended several in January then cancelled
the rest. I tried to group nearby programs to reduce the travel time. Even
so I had to drive long distance for some cases. | D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 4 I am so disgusted with jealousy coming straight out of mouth.
cancelled
Even
【在 e*****a 的大作中提到】
: Basically a few “less-desirable”programs first for warming up, then the
: programs which offer pre-match and you like to attend. After that the
: programs you like but no pre-match offers. Finally, all other backups. In
: reality sometimes it's not easy to arrange due to schedule conflicts.
: Last year I did several interviews in November, then 16 interviews in the
: first 3 weeks of December. I also attended several in January then cancelled
: the rest. I tried to group nearby programs to reduce the travel time. Even
: so I had to drive long distance for some cases.
| e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 5 Haha, you're very active here. Good luck to your residency application.
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I am so disgusted with jealousy coming straight out of mouth.
:
: cancelled
: Even
| d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 6 Eric is a young handsome AMG. No one here can compete with him. :-)
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: I am so disgusted with jealousy coming straight out of mouth.
:
: cancelled
: Even
| f*****w
发帖数: 1451 | 7 Got it. WOW!
【在 d****y 的大作中提到】
: Eric is a young handsome AMG. No one here can compete with him. :-)
| a*****o
发帖数: 174 | 8 Hey Eric,
We are so lucky to have you stick around. Thanks for the scheduling opinion.
You're right, sometimes it's just hard to plan everything as you wanted it
to be. But yours does sound like a plan.
Could you also share your points about how to assess the programs? Good or
malignant, resident-oriented or work-load dominated? When we want to look
into their teaching environment/quality, which aspects or indices should we
look for?
Thanks :)
cancelled
Even
【在 e*****a 的大作中提到】
: Basically a few “less-desirable”programs first for warming up, then the
: programs which offer pre-match and you like to attend. After that the
: programs you like but no pre-match offers. Finally, all other backups. In
: reality sometimes it's not easy to arrange due to schedule conflicts.
: Last year I did several interviews in November, then 16 interviews in the
: first 3 weeks of December. I also attended several in January then cancelled
: the rest. I tried to group nearby programs to reduce the travel time. Even
: so I had to drive long distance for some cases.
| e*****a
发帖数: 1334 | 9 For CMGs the most important thing is “to get into the door first”, as
pointed by Dok. Actually, you can receive pretty good residency training at
everywhere, with a few exceptions.
There are no official rankings for the quality of residency programs, and
any assessment will be difficult. If your long term goal is academic
medicine/research or a fellowship, academic programs will have an advantage
edge. If you like private practice, some community programs or private
groups may give you a more realistic view and better training for private
practice (some community programs are also good at fellowship placement).
We pretty much rely on these:
- word of mouth;
- location, safety and environment;
- general feelings during interview;
- fellowship placement (if interested in a fellowship);
- reputation in specialty;
- call schedule, autonomy and residents’ feedback;
- facility;
- benefits offered;
- academic reputation;
- NIH funding (if interested in research);
You may search for malignant program list, probation status, www.scutwork.
com, and feedbacks in various public forums.
opinion.
it
we
【在 a*****o 的大作中提到】
: Hey Eric,
: We are so lucky to have you stick around. Thanks for the scheduling opinion.
: You're right, sometimes it's just hard to plan everything as you wanted it
: to be. But yours does sound like a plan.
: Could you also share your points about how to assess the programs? Good or
: malignant, resident-oriented or work-load dominated? When we want to look
: into their teaching environment/quality, which aspects or indices should we
: look for?
: Thanks :)
:
| D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 10 why sell ourselves for less? cmgs are just as good, right?
at
advantage
【在 e*****a 的大作中提到】
: For CMGs the most important thing is “to get into the door first”, as
: pointed by Dok. Actually, you can receive pretty good residency training at
: everywhere, with a few exceptions.
: There are no official rankings for the quality of residency programs, and
: any assessment will be difficult. If your long term goal is academic
: medicine/research or a fellowship, academic programs will have an advantage
: edge. If you like private practice, some community programs or private
: groups may give you a more realistic view and better training for private
: practice (some community programs are also good at fellowship placement).
: We pretty much rely on these:
| | | k**********n
发帖数: 438 | 11 This is a very good discussion.
Although every programs can provide you a good resource of training
opportunity, they do vary a lot! This is greatly depends on how PD and cheif
manage the program. The curriculum can be so much different, some program
offers a lot of electives and subspecialty rotation, some programs don't.
This also applies to outside electives when fellowship placement is your big
concern. Cheif will be different year by year, they schedule your call and
electives, you can ask the resident how supportive they are during IV.
In terms of hardware, you want a program with good location, good benefit.
When cards is your target, consider a program with in house cath lab..
Nurses can be different as well, some tend to dump scutworks to interns... | a*****o
发帖数: 174 | 12 Thanks, KD, great to see you back here
Will keep you post and Eric's in mind.
cheif
big
and
【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: This is a very good discussion.
: Although every programs can provide you a good resource of training
: opportunity, they do vary a lot! This is greatly depends on how PD and cheif
: manage the program. The curriculum can be so much different, some program
: offers a lot of electives and subspecialty rotation, some programs don't.
: This also applies to outside electives when fellowship placement is your big
: concern. Cheif will be different year by year, they schedule your call and
: electives, you can ask the resident how supportive they are during IV.
: In terms of hardware, you want a program with good location, good benefit.
: When cards is your target, consider a program with in house cath lab..
| a*********1
发帖数: 872 | 13 谢谢knockingdown老版主！
"The curriculum can be so much different"能仔细说一下，什么样的curriculum算
好？什么样的不怎么样？
还有eric提到的call schedule，怎么样的算好呢？
因为对医院的教学体系缺乏了解，真不知道该怎么判断一个program的好坏 | k**********n
发帖数: 438 | 14 I have never left here, was diving all the time, just no time to reply. On
night float now, a little bit more flexible.
【在 a*****o 的大作中提到】
: Thanks, KD, great to see you back here
: Will keep you post and Eric's in mind.
:
: cheif
: big
: and
| k**********n
发帖数: 438 | 15 For curriculum, below are two examples. Apparently, life in program A will
be easier than program B, as there are less floor months and unit months.
As of call schedule, there could be Q3call, Q4call, Q3 is definately busier
than Q4, that means you ahve to be on call every 3 days, you are working on
regular schedule on the two days in between. Also the frequency of long call
matters, that means overnight call, usually happened on weekends. now there
is a new rule that interns should NOT work continuosly more than 16 hrs,
which means they are not allowed to take overnight calls, including in the
ICU. However, this doese not mean life is getting easier, instead, you have
to take calls more often to make it up. You guys can bring this up during IV
this year, I am sure this is a very HOT topic for every program. Cheifs are
having headaches making schedules.
Didactics, reflected by morning report, noon conference, ambulatory care
conference, grand rounds, mortality and morbidity conference, journal club,
neurology conference, radiology conference, nephrology conference... who is
running the morning report, cheif, attending, or resident, I personally like
mixed. For the rest of the conference, the key is who is going to present,
if you guys are going to present, it is going to be overwhelming. It doese
not mean the more the better, when u guys get in, often time u just want to
have time rest and read by yourself. If program is very strict with the
attendence of these conferences, that means you have to get up much early to
finish the job. Also the number of teaching attending matters, and the
months you are under the service of teaching attending. Ususally
hospitalist and private service do not teach much, you learn by managing
patients.
____________________
Program A
Rotation Months
Medical Floors 6
Critical Care 3
Emergency Medicine 1/2
Radiology 1/2
Subspecialty Elective 1
Ambulatory Care (Medical) Clinic 1/2 day/week
Paid Time Off 23 days vacation, 6 holidays
PGY-II
Rotation Months
Medical Floors 5
Night Float 1
Critical Care 1
Emergency Medicine 1/2
Cardiovascular Diseases 1
Noninternal Medicine Elective 1/2
Geriatric Medicine 1/2
Subspecialty Elective 1 1/2
Ambulatory Care (Medical) Clinic 1/2 day/week
Paid Time Off 23 days vacation, 6 holidays
PGY-III
Rotation Months
Medical Floors 1
Night Float 1/2
Critical Care 2
Resident Admitting Officer (RAO) 1
Emergency Medicine 1/2
Neurology 1/2
Non-medical Elective 1/2
Subspecialty Medicine Elective 3
Community Medicine Elective 1
Office Practice Rotation 1
Ambulatory Care (Medical) Clinic 1/2 day/week
Paid Time Off 23 days vacation, 6 holidays
program B
PGY-I
Inpatient Medicine 5
ICU 2
Electives 1
Ambulatory Care Medicine 1
Vacation 1
Night Float 2
PGY-II
Inpatient Medicine 2
CCU 3
Emergency Medicine 1
Ambulatory Care Medicine 1
Elective Rotation 2
Vacation 1
Night Float 2
PGY-III
Inpatient Medicine 3
Intensive Care Unit 3
Emergency Medicine 1
Ambulatory Care Medicine 1
Electives 3
Vacation 1
【在 a*********1 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢knockingdown老版主！
: "The curriculum can be so much different"能仔细说一下，什么样的curriculum算
: 好？什么样的不怎么样？
: 还有eric提到的call schedule，怎么样的算好呢？
: 因为对医院的教学体系缺乏了解，真不知道该怎么判断一个program的好坏
| a*********1
发帖数: 872 | 16 Thank you very much for your input!! It is very informative and helpful.
will
busier
on
call
there
have
IV
【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: For curriculum, below are two examples. Apparently, life in program A will
: be easier than program B, as there are less floor months and unit months.
: As of call schedule, there could be Q3call, Q4call, Q3 is definately busier
: than Q4, that means you ahve to be on call every 3 days, you are working on
: regular schedule on the two days in between. Also the frequency of long call
: matters, that means overnight call, usually happened on weekends. now there
: is a new rule that interns should NOT work continuosly more than 16 hrs,
: which means they are not allowed to take overnight calls, including in the
: ICU. However, this doese not mean life is getting easier, instead, you have
: to take calls more often to make it up. You guys can bring this up during IV
| a*****o
发帖数: 174 | 17 wow, this hits all the points!
i was about to bring up this topic and ask you to "knock it down", then here
you go.
as always informative. thanks so much.
will
busier
on
call
there
have
IV
【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: For curriculum, below are two examples. Apparently, life in program A will
: be easier than program B, as there are less floor months and unit months.
: As of call schedule, there could be Q3call, Q4call, Q3 is definately busier
: than Q4, that means you ahve to be on call every 3 days, you are working on
: regular schedule on the two days in between. Also the frequency of long call
: matters, that means overnight call, usually happened on weekends. now there
: is a new rule that interns should NOT work continuosly more than 16 hrs,
: which means they are not allowed to take overnight calls, including in the
: ICU. However, this doese not mean life is getting easier, instead, you have
: to take calls more often to make it up. You guys can bring this up during IV
| d******g
发帖数: 40 | | a*********1
发帖数: 872 | 19 兵荒马乱的，提醒版主，别忘了吧knocking down的帖子收到精华区 | b****e
发帖数: 227 | 20 多谢老版主的帖子，一直守着 等着学习呢，
好贴要顶起来，大家都看看 | | | k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 21 thanks!! was away for a while.. kawalee did most of the work while i was
gone.
【在 a*********1 的大作中提到】
: 兵荒马乱的，提醒版主，别忘了吧knocking down的帖子收到精华区
| s*****y
发帖数: 96 | 22 多谢Knock！Great info!
我还是没有明白，能不能再具体说说为什么program A的floor months 和 unit months
要比program B 少呢？
will
busier
on
call
there
have
IV
【在 k**********n 的大作中提到】
: For curriculum, below are two examples. Apparently, life in program A will
: be easier than program B, as there are less floor months and unit months.
: As of call schedule, there could be Q3call, Q4call, Q3 is definately busier
: than Q4, that means you ahve to be on call every 3 days, you are working on
: regular schedule on the two days in between. Also the frequency of long call
: matters, that means overnight call, usually happened on weekends. now there
: is a new rule that interns should NOT work continuosly more than 16 hrs,
: which means they are not allowed to take overnight calls, including in the
: ICU. However, this doese not mean life is getting easier, instead, you have
: to take calls more often to make it up. You guys can bring this up during IV
| s*******1
发帖数: 428 | 23 co-多谢老版主的帖子
好贴要顶起来，大家都看看 |
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