z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 2 It is funny you are not the first one to raise this type questions in a
medical board. I remember there was another statistics professor who did
same thing as you did, although I am not sure if it was your MJ.
I, and my colleagues on this board, never go to other professional
boards to make such a comparison.
Enough has been said.
Sorry I could not type Chinese now. |
C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 3 真逗，那为什么那么多人打破头要进医学院？
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 4 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
多的多。
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: 真逗，那为什么那么多人打破头要进医学院？
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r*********s
发帖数: 1027 | 5 挖这种坑不觉得无聊吗？我记得你还吹嘘过自己有私人飞机什么的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
: 多的多。
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 6 这个比起医学院的还是差远了。 统计本来就是小科，读硕士不少，读博士的比例还是
不多的。 你还不如说计算机，那个读的人才多呢。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
: 多的多。
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 7 我知道的选做医生的有，选做统计的也有。 可能有家庭经济等各方面的考虑，但更多
的是自己兴趣爱好的问题。 不管选了那种职业，能够实现自己的价值，不后悔，就行
了。 |
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 8 其实大部分家庭医生的生活不如我的生活，我就是想问问少部分的高收入的专科医生
这个问题。
【在 d****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个比起医学院的还是差远了。 统计本来就是小科，读硕士不少，读博士的比例还是
: 不多的。 你还不如说计算机，那个读的人才多呢。
|
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 9 这个按你的标准我想我不qualify 回答你这个问题。 不过我想你如果到
pharmaceutical industry 转转就知道两者地位和收入的差别了。
有统计学博士就曾经抱怨说，那些个医生啥都没干，凭什么拿得比我多，级别比我高。还把这跟
manager complain, 老板只好跟他打哈哈。人家manager的头的头还归医生管着呢。不过最终还是
那些sales/marketing的才是大头。
要说挣钱，其实金融，sales/marketing那些都比医生高。
不知道你是BSO还是纯粹挖坑。不过我想我也够无聊，居然还掉这坑了.恩，就这样吧。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 其实大部分家庭医生的生活不如我的生活，我就是想问问少部分的高收入的专科医生
: 这个问题。
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 10 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
高，地位当然也差远了。
其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
期？
。还把这跟
不过最终还是
【在 d****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个按你的标准我想我不qualify 回答你这个问题。 不过我想你如果到
: pharmaceutical industry 转转就知道两者地位和收入的差别了。
: 有统计学博士就曾经抱怨说，那些个医生啥都没干，凭什么拿得比我多，级别比我高。还把这跟
: manager complain, 老板只好跟他打哈哈。人家manager的头的头还归医生管着呢。不过最终还是
: 那些sales/marketing的才是大头。
: 要说挣钱，其实金融，sales/marketing那些都比医生高。
: 不知道你是BSO还是纯粹挖坑。不过我想我也够无聊，居然还掉这坑了.恩，就这样吧。
|
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c*******s
发帖数: 399 | 11 跟上次统计学教授的帖子一样， 几个字都不待改的。
不太明白您的主题是什么。
您挺满意自己的工作， 薪水， 地位， 很好。
这版上做大夫的也都挺满意。
还比什么呢？
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
V**y
发帖数: 788 | 12 我比较羡慕和向往你的轻松的生活，可惜没得选择。 |
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 13 不知道你认为药厂的统计师级别低概念是从那里来的？ 很不习惯你总以为自己高人一
等的口气.
在学校或者药厂，也是个人的选择，没有高低之分. 工资的话，一般senior PhD. Stat
都不会比你的差.
有不少药厂的统计师也是学校的教授跳糟的， 他们很多到了药厂也做得很好，做到
manager, director， 那收入比你的高多了.
也有人做了多年选择到学校教书的.
个人以为，不同institution 之间不好比，学校的教授和医院的医生，怎么比？只有在
同一企事业里头， 才能看出这个社会是怎么看待这两种职业的.
我不是家庭医生. 现在还不是医生. 只不过跟统计有渊源，不想统计在医生群里造成不
好影响.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 14 我觉得这是个个人价值观的问题，在没有搞清楚对于自己来说什么最重要，最有价值之
前，泛泛的比较两种职业的优缺点没有任何意义
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | |
i*d
发帖数: 2640 | 16 你并不能代表统计学这个行业。终身教授，已经奋斗成功，享受成果了。
医生，奋斗过程更长更累。那些皮肤科之类，工作比你忙的有限，工资是你好几倍。
工资十几万和好几十万的生活水准是很不一样的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
x****z
发帖数: 59 | 17 Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
profession shows your insecurity deep down. |
s****p
发帖数: 1087 | 18 看看他发的贴，典型的挖坑类型呀。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 19 Well said. I couldn't agree more.
other
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
: one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
: should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
: professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
: other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
: profession shows your insecurity deep down.
|
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 20
假设收入没变， 每天一支笔，一杯茶。 那我还是喜欢我现在做的--每天逗逗小护士，
时间过得快。
：到底哪个职业能够积累更多的财富呢？
哪个都积累不了多少财富， 三番的财主正在暗笑咱们。
：哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢？
when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Statistical
Professor when i grow up?
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
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W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 21 几个月的假期， 不教书，不写文章，都干啥了？无事生非，别去找二奶，====
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
|
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 22 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
exploration.
when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
when i grow up?
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 假设收入没变， 每天一支笔，一杯茶。 那我还是喜欢我现在做的--每天逗逗小护士，
: 时间过得快。
: ：到底哪个职业能够积累更多的财富呢？
: 哪个都积累不了多少财富， 三番的财主正在暗笑咱们。
: ：哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢？
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Statistical
: Professor when i grow up?
|
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 23 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 你并不能代表统计学这个行业。终身教授，已经奋斗成功，享受成果了。
: 医生，奋斗过程更长更累。那些皮肤科之类，工作比你忙的有限，工资是你好几倍。
: 工资十几万和好几十万的生活水准是很不一样的。
|
a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 24 鬼才信你是个教授, 继续YY吧...
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
|
a*********1
发帖数: 872 | 25 楼主是职业挖坑的吧 挖点新鲜的吧
您这帖子n久之前就看过了 |
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 26 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
让我心悦诚服。
请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: It is funny you are not the first one to raise this type questions in a
: medical board. I remember there was another statistics professor who did
: same thing as you did, although I am not sure if it was your MJ.
: I, and my colleagues on this board, never go to other professional
: boards to make such a comparison.
: Enough has been said.
: Sorry I could not type Chinese now.
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 27 我开始对chiusmd敬仰起来， 你有NB的风格。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
|
g******8
发帖数: 542 | 28 你都终身教授了，境界怎么还这么低、看问题还这么狭隘不平和呢？有什么好比的啊？
你都终身教授了才拿16万，人家商学院博士一毕业就拿25万呢，出去做个咨询比你拿的
钱也多，是不是就比你更伟大了？再跟那些亿万富翁比呢？是不是更伟大？你这思维跟
小孩子似的
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
|
g********n
发帖数: 209 | 29 看到你反复发同样的帖子，对大家的解答怎么都不得要领，有点替你着急。看这16万挣
得。
一句话， 我们医生不喜欢闲得蛋痛。 |
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 30 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去 |
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s**********t
发帖数: 217 | 31 一个人选择自己的职业在于自己的喜爱。特别是医生这个职业。如果你不喜爱这个辛苦
的职业， 你是做不下来的。医生要活到老学到老， 要不断更新知识。这个追求和压力
是永远存在的。看来你是很安于现状的。混吃等退休拿退休金。真为你所在的大学感到
悲哀。我们之间是没有可比性的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
|
T***i
发帖数: 1354 | 32 谁也不知道谁是否轻松
【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 我比较羡慕和向往你的轻松的生活，可惜没得选择。
|
c******4
发帖数: 4896 | 33 虽然明知是坑，还是要跳一下说非要比较才能有幸福感啊？
学校里的MD的老师工资是25万 |
J********0
发帖数: 19 | 34 有几句话，不吐不快。
1. 挣钱多少并不完全是大家学医的唯一目的。你把病人治好，救活之后的成就感；社
会上的地位；被人尊敬的感觉；个人的背景；家庭的期盼；个人喜好等等都是原因。如
果只为钱，去读MBA，开饭馆不一定挣得不比医生多。
2. 你拿你的个例和整个一个医学行业比较没意义。有多少人读统计PhD？有几个一毕业
就当上统计教授又收入16万？你敢说是普遍现象吗？你干了多久才到这步的？而医学只
要你读完了，基本上肯定有终身保证过上比较优越的生活。这份安全感我觉得是很多人
选择读医的重要原因之。
3. 就算退一万步，大家都庸俗。基本上来说你的收入也就是差不多最穷的医生的收入
。稍微专一点的医生都很容易挣你两三倍或更多的收入。
4. 工作极轻松很好吗？老黑待在家拿救济啥事不做不比你轻松？还不用读PhD。你愿意
吗？人总的有一点点事业心才有意思吧。 |
J********0
发帖数: 19 | 35 有几句话，不吐不快。
1. 挣钱多少并不完全是大家学医的唯一目的。你把病人治好，救活之后的成就感；社
会上的地位；被人尊敬的感觉；个人的背景；家庭的期盼；个人喜好等等都是原因。如
果只为钱，去读MBA，开饭馆不一定挣得不比医生多。
2. 你拿你的个例和整个一个医学行业比较没意义。有多少人读统计PhD？有几个一毕业
就当上统计教授又收入16万？你敢说是普遍现象吗？你干了多久才到这步的？而医学只
要你读完了，基本上肯定有终身保证过上比较优越的生活。这份安全感我觉得是很多人
选择读医的重要原因之。
3. 就算退一万步，大家都庸俗。基本上来说你的收入也就是差不多最穷的医生的收入
。稍微专一点的医生都很容易挣你两三倍或更多的收入。
4. 工作极轻松很好吗？老黑待在家拿救济啥事不做不比你轻松？还不用读PhD。你愿意
吗？人总的有一点点事业心才有意思吧。 |
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 36 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去 |
W**********r
发帖数: 8927 | 37 别说和医生比，楼主这到湾区和很多硅公都比不过，都没到贫困线，没啥好骄傲的
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去
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a**********e
发帖数: 5124 | 38 没感觉教授有什么地位 国内当官有地位 美国也是参政有地位 |
y****2
发帖数: 109 | 39 你认为医疗行业的缺点 比如跟病人打交道、血淋淋的手术 有人很乐在其中的 而且
作为医生的成就感是当教授没法比的
您每年都有半年多的悠长假期 请问您又有多少预算能花在上面呢
俺个人宁可用１０倍的钱度假１个星期 不愿用紧张的预算放松半年
生活态度不同把 |
y****2
发帖数: 109 | 40 啥也不用说了 lz自己慢慢high吧
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
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s********o
发帖数: 373 | 41 诊断： 该教授属于 cluster B personality disorder, Narcissistic type
自以为是，坐在那里没事，得意洋洋的觉得自己挣钱多地位高是 |
W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 42 找个二奶吧，有个二奶你就有办法打发时间了。否则很无聊。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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c***6
发帖数: 229 | |
y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 44 哇，16万的年薪，好高！
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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V**y
发帖数: 788 | 45 大家怎么都对楼主迟滞以鼻鼻？何必呢，俗话说有容奶大，别老气呼呼的。 |
E**********y
发帖数: 991 | 46 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍。有
医生拿的数是你的2-3倍，而且谁说医生没有甜妞，有些专业可以干到八九十岁
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
|
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 47 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
【在 E**********y 的大作中提到】
: 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍。有
: 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍，而且谁说医生没有甜妞，有些专业可以干到八九十岁
|
W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 48 you feel too good about yourself, which is blind and narrow-minded
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 49 what is the reason for me to feel bad about myself? I have not seen one.
【在 W*****t 的大作中提到】
: you feel too good about yourself, which is blind and narrow-minded
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W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 50 it's OK to feel good about yourself, which means you are living a decent
life. But to show off might not be that "decent". Sorry if this offends you.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: what is the reason for me to feel bad about myself? I have not seen one.
|
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 51 initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
that I am showing off?
you.
【在 W*****t 的大作中提到】
: it's OK to feel good about yourself, which means you are living a decent
: life. But to show off might not be that "decent". Sorry if this offends you.
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W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 52 haha, anyway, enjoy your time.
I am a little drunk right now. I apologize if I talk nonsense.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 53 但是也不等于拿到甜妞就可以不干活了塞。甜妞没funding被fire又不是没见过
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 54 "doctors degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my
opinion."
这个乐死我了，您老能把这贴发到student doctor network上吗？记得发的时候别说自
己是中国人就行
the
in
State
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
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C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 55 说的对。大家得容忍一些不同声音。阴损刻薄没关系，只要不暴粗口。
LZ是人来疯，越战越勇。
【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 大家怎么都对楼主迟滞以鼻鼻？何必呢，俗话说有容奶大，别老气呼呼的。
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s****p
发帖数: 1087 | 56 哈哈，挖坑的就是这样嘛。而且他不生气，看你生气他越沉着越高兴。
话说比较一下不同职业的work style和life style，还是有益的。
因为很多人根本没有机会了解别的行业。 |
W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 57 Can you pick alternate words instead of many "show off"s which are boring
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
U*******B
发帖数: 2547 | 58 Based on this "Zhongguo2" s reply, I am sure he is not a professor. Guys,
let him be. Its a shame to have ppl like this in mitbbs
【在 W***9 的大作中提到】
: Can you pick alternate words instead of many "show off"s which are boring
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d***y
发帖数: 2567 | 59 就这脑子问这么闹残的问题，学统计的脸都让你给丢尽了. |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 60 很好， 问题是你问医生们对收入和life style的看法， 而医生们似乎不太关心统计教
授的收入和life style. 很高兴你对自己的收入和工作极度满意。 我实际上只关心你
医疗保险买够了没有。
the
in
State
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 61 A biologist by training who came from Taiwan, I have lived in US for more
than a quarter century, mostly at Boston, Massachusetts. I am familiar with
medical field in Taiwan and biological field in US, somewhat with medical
and legal fields in US.
We have no idea what you describe yourself is true or not. As they say, "On
the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you%27re_a_dog
Yet, why do I go through all the troubles to point out your foibles? Because
I want to give you a lesson or two.
(1) You proclaim, "我是统计学教授，年薪16万，能拿一辈子这个工资退休金到老死."
(a) Man, this is United States.
United States is not in decline. However, its public debts (of government of
all levels) is relatively high (though still less than 100% of GDP,
compared with Japan that is inching toward 200% of its GDP). Americans pride
themselves on work ethics, so job benefits are comparatively modest
alongside with those in Europe (but that is why Europeans are not
competitive in productivity).
There is no such posh jobs as yours any more.
Don't you know that Republicans are risking their necks to cut Medicare and
Medicaid?
Don't you know state governments of various states aims to reduce benefits
and pension of state employees? Although the newly inaugurated Republican
governor of Wisconsin grab headlines, Massachusetts (where all branches of
state house is firmly in the hand of Democrats) and New Jersey (Republican
governor and both chambers of state legislature, which are Democratically
controlled, work closely to reduce/abolish collective bargaining power of
state employee unions.
My point is nobody can say for sure that his or her position will not be
eliminated (and your can), salary not reduced, benefits or pensions not cut.
In fact, there was no job in US like this for decades. US is dynamic,
unlike Japan in old days where a worker work the whole life for a company,
which is unsustainable and gradually job security is no longer guaranteed in
Japan.
(b) You do not identify your institution. However, your premise that 能拿一
辈子这个工资退休金到老死 is simply false.
You dupe all other readers, but not me. Alas, I am smarter than you think.
Anybody with common sense knows that a worker, any worker, will not keep 100
% salary after retirement.
As for professorship, I will give you one example.
2.0 Faculty and Other Academic Appointments; 2.3 Academic Instructional
Staff Appointments; 2.3.1 Professor Emeritus and Professor Without Tenure (
Retired). MIT Policies & Procedures: A Guide for Faculty and Staff Members.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), undated.
http://web.mit.edu/policies/2/2.3.html
("A professor who retires becomes professor emeritus and may keep the name
of his or her chair, emeritus. Appointments to the rank of professor
emeritus are normally without salary. * * * Professors without tenure (
retired) are eligible for benefits as retirees rather than active employees.
* * * Professors without tenure (retired) must report their outside
professional activities to their department heads annually, as described in
Section 4.4 Conflict of Interest and Section 4.5 Outside Professional
Activities.")
(c) Teachers—Postsecondary, in Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2010-11
Edition. Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Department of Labor.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm
* The section "Earnings":
"Median annual earnings of all postsecondary teachers in May 2008 were $58,
830. The middle 50 percent earned between $41,600 and $83,960. The lowest 10
percent earned less than $28,870, and the highest 10 percent earned more
than $121,850.
"Earnings for college faculty vary with the rank and type of institution,
geographic area, and field. According to a 2008–09 survey by the American
Association of University Professors, salaries for full-time faculty
averaged $79,439. By rank, the average was $108,749 for professors, $76,147
for associate professors, $63,827 for assistant professors, $45,977 for
instructors, and $52,436 for lecturers. In 2008–09, full-time faculty
salaries averaged $92,257 in private independent institutions, $77,009 in
public institutions, and $71,857 in religiously affiliated private colleges
and universities. Faculty in 4-year institutions earn higher salaries, on
average, than do those in 2-year schools. In fields with high-paying
nonacademic alternatives—medicine, law, engineering, and business, among
others—earnings exceed these averages. In others fields, such as the
humanities and education, earnings are lower. Earnings for postsecondary
career and technical education teachers vary widely by subject, academic
credentials, experience, and region of the country.
"Many faculty members have significant earnings from consulting, teaching
additional courses, research, writing for publication, or other employment,
in addition to their base salary. Many college and university faculty enjoy
unique benefits, including access to campus facilities, tuition waivers for
dependents, housing and travel allowances, and paid leave for sabbaticals.
Part-time faculty and instructors usually have fewer benefits than full-time
faculty have.
* The next section "Wages":
Statistics belongsin "MATHEMATICAL SCIENCE TEACHERS, POSTSECONDARY," whose "
mean annual wage" is $73,480:
"Percentile.............10% ........... 25%..............50%(Median) .......
75% ............90%
Annual Wage......$35,210 ..... $48,020 ...... $65,710 ................$90,
710 .....$125,760"
(2) AAUP survey.
Economic Status Reports. by American Association of University Professors (
AAUP)
http://www.aaup.org/AAUP/comm/rep/Z/default.htm
("The AAUP's faculty compensation survey, the 'Annual Report on the Economic
Status of the Profession,' is published in the March-April issue of the
AAUP magazine, Academe")
Clcik "2010-11"
>
In the new web page titled "2010-11 Report on the Economic Status of the
Profession," click the top tag "List of Tables and Figures."
>
(a) Table G: Average Salaries of Full Professors, by Discipline, as a
Percentage of the Average Salary of Full Professors of English Language and
Literature, 1980–81 to 2009–10
For 2009-10, the range is from 159.5% for "Law and Legal Studies" to 87.6%
for "Fine Arts: Visual and Performing."
"Business Administration and Management" and "Health Professions and Related
Sciences" are 150.9% and 118.9%, respectively.
Statistics belongs in "Mathematics."
(b) See in this web page also
(i) Table 4 Average Salary and Average Compensation Levels, by Category,
Affiliation, and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(ii) Table 9A Percentile Distribution of Institutions, by Average Salary
and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(iii) Table 9B Percentile Distribution of Institutions, by Average
Compensation and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(iv) Table 13 Number and Percent of Faculty, Average Salary, Average
Compensation, Average Benefits, and Percent of Faculty Tenured, by Category
and Academic Rank, 2010–11
My comment:
(i) As inidcatred in Table 4:
Category I: Doctoral institutions
Category IIA: Master's institutions
Category IIB: Baccalaureate institutions
Category III: Two-year institutions with academic ranks
Category IV: Two-year institutions without academic ranks
(ii) AAUP 2010-11 survey is based on 1,319 reporting institutions, which
reported "salary, comnpensation and benefits" for each teacher (Tables 13
and 4). On the other hand, BLS's "earnings"
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm#earnings
is strictly salaries alone.
(3) Let's go to your profession: statistics.
Salary Information: Academic Salary Reports. American Statistical
Association (ASA)
http://www.amstat.org/careers/salaryinformation.cfm
(analyzed by "Keith Crank, ASA Research and Graduate Education Manager";
click "2010- 2011 Academic Statisticians")
To earn 160 K, you must be top of the cream in American statistics: work at
least 6-7 years in a research university AND at 90th percentile. In the
entire US, there are only 330 persons. Congratuation!
(4) Let's pity doctors.
(a) Physicians and Surgeons, in Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2010-11
Edition. Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Department of Labor.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm
* section "Earnings":
"Earnings of physicians and surgeons are among the highest of any occupation
. According to the Medical Group Management Association's Physician
Compensation and Production Survey, median total compensation for physicians
varied by their type of practice. In 2008, physicians practicing primary
care had total median annual compensation of $186,044, and physicians
practicing in medical specialties earned total median annual compensation of
$339,738.
"Self-employed physicians—those who own or are part owners of their medical
practice—generally have higher median incomes than salaried physicians.
Earnings vary according to number of years in practice, geographic region,
hours worked, skill, personality, and professional reputation. Self-employed
physicians and surgeons must provide for their own health insurance and
retirement.
My comment: Please do not despise primary care physicians.
* Section "Wages": Let's take perennial top earners ANESTHESIOLOGISTS as an
example, whose "mean hourly wage" and "mean annual wage" are $105.82 and $
220,100, respectively.
(b) Doctors have a dog's life.
(i) Nozia Sayyed, ‘Doctors have shorter lifespan than patients.’ Daily
News Analysis (DNA), Feb 1, 2010.
http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_doctors-have-shorter-l
("An observation by the Indian Medical Association’s (IMA) Pune chapter
says that an Indian doctor’s average lifespan is 55-59 years, almost 10
years lesser than that of the general population")
(ii) But see
Frank E, Biola H and Burnett CA, Mortality rates and causes among U.S.
physicians. Am J Prev Med 19:155-9 (2000)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11020591
("These findings should help to erase the myth of the unhealthy doctor. At
least for men, mortality outcomes suggest that physicians make healthy
personal choices")
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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z*s
发帖数: 1695 | 62 问这个问题的好无聊，亏你还是教授，高薪的医生薪水是30万以上，也有很多假期，日
子过得不要太逍遥，做成教授前，那日子也不轻松。况且你做成教授，就不要发文章了
吗？不发文章不拿funding，在系里面恐怕很难抬头。 |
W**r
发帖数: 1492 | 63 当个统计教授就自我感觉良好了，你有什么资格跟学医的比？简直是井低之蛙。。。
去看看加州大学医学教授的工资单再说。。。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
p****d
发帖数: 420 | 64
the
in
State
你就是个SB二百五。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
|
l******o
发帖数: 8344 | 65 哈哈，首页坑，跳一个
给点局外人的想法吧， 如果我家小孩是国内医学院出来，到美国来留学的，我当然最
希望孩子在美国考个BOARD，毕竟几年考试，MATCH，RESIDENT辛苦 之后能换回来很好
的回报。
但是如果他在国外成长，我随他便，因为先读本科，再读昂贵的医学院，再考试，
MATCH，RESIDENT之后，代价还是很大的，所以要看娃自己的兴趣。
如果要在统计和医学的专业之间做一个选者 ，而娃都兴趣一般的话，我想还是希望娃
选者医学吧，毕竟统计学到顶，才16万，学医学的话，好的外科医生能拿上百万吧？ |
t**g
发帖数: 723 | 66 你是说比较一下当生物医学方面的faculty和当医生吧？
生物方面的faculty也不好当的，压力应该比你这个大，相比很多人还是更愿意当医生。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 67
............................
你最常用的软件工具是什么？ R ?
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
W**r
发帖数: 1492 | 68
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
这两句问得真有水平，美国小学生都知道答案，呵呵
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 69
other
........................
Possible, but not necessarily insecure.
He may just be curious.
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
: one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
: should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
: professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
: other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
: profession shows your insecurity deep down.
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m********e
发帖数: 349 | 70 有的人觉得你这种生活太闲了，难受
把病人从鬼门关里捞回来，多活几个月或者一两年的，成就感你体会不到。
切除脑部肿瘤，而又不损伤其他功能区，陶醉于自己精湛手艺的优越感，你也体会不到。（哈哈，虽然有些自恋） |
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b*w
发帖数: 2062 | 71 most new stats ap makes 60 to 80k f94 o months, even most full prof make
just around 100 to 120k, you must be exceptional. but if u r in the top 5-10
income bracket in ur field, u should compare urself accordingly. i know
some derm works 4 days a week and makes 350k+
rad works harder, but over 400k plus 12 wks vacation is not too bad either
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
l*******t
发帖数: 1430 | |
l*******t
发帖数: 1430 | |
a******o
发帖数: 119 | 74
老大不小的教授居然问出小学生的作文问题 "哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢"
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 76 It is funny you are not the first one to raise this type questions in a
medical board. I remember there was another statistics professor who did
same thing as you did, although I am not sure if it was your MJ.
I, and my colleagues on this board, never go to other professional
boards to make such a comparison.
Enough has been said.
Sorry I could not type Chinese now. |
C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 77 真逗，那为什么那么多人打破头要进医学院？
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 78 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
多的多。
【在 C*****D 的大作中提到】
: 真逗，那为什么那么多人打破头要进医学院？
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r*********s
发帖数: 1027 | 79 挖这种坑不觉得无聊吗？我记得你还吹嘘过自己有私人飞机什么的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
: 多的多。
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 80 这个比起医学院的还是差远了。 统计本来就是小科，读硕士不少，读博士的比例还是
不多的。 你还不如说计算机，那个读的人才多呢。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 申请统计学博士的人也成千上万，所以要比申请者numbers，申请研究生院的人数应该
: 多的多。
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 81 我知道的选做医生的有，选做统计的也有。 可能有家庭经济等各方面的考虑，但更多
的是自己兴趣爱好的问题。 不管选了那种职业，能够实现自己的价值，不后悔，就行
了。 |
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 82 其实大部分家庭医生的生活不如我的生活，我就是想问问少部分的高收入的专科医生
这个问题。
【在 d****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个比起医学院的还是差远了。 统计本来就是小科，读硕士不少，读博士的比例还是
: 不多的。 你还不如说计算机，那个读的人才多呢。
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 83 这个按你的标准我想我不qualify 回答你这个问题。 不过我想你如果到
pharmaceutical industry 转转就知道两者地位和收入的差别了。
有统计学博士就曾经抱怨说，那些个医生啥都没干，凭什么拿得比我多，级别比我高。还把这跟
manager complain, 老板只好跟他打哈哈。人家manager的头的头还归医生管着呢。不过最终还是
那些sales/marketing的才是大头。
要说挣钱，其实金融，sales/marketing那些都比医生高。
不知道你是BSO还是纯粹挖坑。不过我想我也够无聊，居然还掉这坑了.恩，就这样吧。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 其实大部分家庭医生的生活不如我的生活，我就是想问问少部分的高收入的专科医生
: 这个问题。
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 84 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
高，地位当然也差远了。
其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
期？
。还把这跟
不过最终还是
【在 d****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个按你的标准我想我不qualify 回答你这个问题。 不过我想你如果到
: pharmaceutical industry 转转就知道两者地位和收入的差别了。
: 有统计学博士就曾经抱怨说，那些个医生啥都没干，凭什么拿得比我多，级别比我高。还把这跟
: manager complain, 老板只好跟他打哈哈。人家manager的头的头还归医生管着呢。不过最终还是
: 那些sales/marketing的才是大头。
: 要说挣钱，其实金融，sales/marketing那些都比医生高。
: 不知道你是BSO还是纯粹挖坑。不过我想我也够无聊，居然还掉这坑了.恩，就这样吧。
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c*******s
发帖数: 399 | 85 跟上次统计学教授的帖子一样， 几个字都不待改的。
不太明白您的主题是什么。
您挺满意自己的工作， 薪水， 地位， 很好。
这版上做大夫的也都挺满意。
还比什么呢？
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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V**y
发帖数: 788 | 86 我比较羡慕和向往你的轻松的生活，可惜没得选择。 |
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 87 不知道你认为药厂的统计师级别低概念是从那里来的？ 很不习惯你总以为自己高人一
等的口气.
在学校或者药厂，也是个人的选择，没有高低之分. 工资的话，一般senior PhD. Stat
都不会比你的差.
有不少药厂的统计师也是学校的教授跳糟的， 他们很多到了药厂也做得很好，做到
manager, director， 那收入比你的高多了.
也有人做了多年选择到学校教书的.
个人以为，不同institution 之间不好比，学校的教授和医院的医生，怎么比？只有在
同一企事业里头， 才能看出这个社会是怎么看待这两种职业的.
我不是家庭医生. 现在还不是医生. 只不过跟统计有渊源，不想统计在医生群里造成不
好影响.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 88 我觉得这是个个人价值观的问题，在没有搞清楚对于自己来说什么最重要，最有价值之
前，泛泛的比较两种职业的优缺点没有任何意义
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | |
i*d
发帖数: 2640 | 90 你并不能代表统计学这个行业。终身教授，已经奋斗成功，享受成果了。
医生，奋斗过程更长更累。那些皮肤科之类，工作比你忙的有限，工资是你好几倍。
工资十几万和好几十万的生活水准是很不一样的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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x****z
发帖数: 59 | 91 Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
profession shows your insecurity deep down. |
s****p
发帖数: 1087 | 92 看看他发的贴，典型的挖坑类型呀。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 93 Well said. I couldn't agree more.
other
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
: one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
: should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
: professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
: other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
: profession shows your insecurity deep down.
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 94
假设收入没变， 每天一支笔，一杯茶。 那我还是喜欢我现在做的--每天逗逗小护士，
时间过得快。
：到底哪个职业能够积累更多的财富呢？
哪个都积累不了多少财富， 三番的财主正在暗笑咱们。
：哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢？
when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Statistical
Professor when i grow up?
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 95 几个月的假期， 不教书，不写文章，都干啥了？无事生非，别去找二奶，====
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 我是非常认真的问问题的。谢谢您的回答。
: 药厂的统计学博士,我认为他们的级别很低，属于staff scientists, 工资也不如教授
: 高，地位当然也差远了。
: 其实我就想知道轻松舒适的生活但是钱少些，对比紧张忙碌的生活钱多些，您愿意
: 选择哪一种？您是家庭医生，能够谈谈您的工作吗？是否很忙碌？一年有几个月假
: 期？
:
: 。还把这跟
: 不过最终还是
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 96 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
exploration.
when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
when i grow up?
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
:
: 假设收入没变， 每天一支笔，一杯茶。 那我还是喜欢我现在做的--每天逗逗小护士，
: 时间过得快。
: ：到底哪个职业能够积累更多的财富呢？
: 哪个都积累不了多少财富， 三番的财主正在暗笑咱们。
: ：哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢？
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Statistical
: Professor when i grow up?
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 97 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
【在 i*d 的大作中提到】
: 你并不能代表统计学这个行业。终身教授，已经奋斗成功，享受成果了。
: 医生，奋斗过程更长更累。那些皮肤科之类，工作比你忙的有限，工资是你好几倍。
: 工资十几万和好几十万的生活水准是很不一样的。
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a***9
发帖数: 1884 | 98 鬼才信你是个教授, 继续YY吧...
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
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a*********1
发帖数: 872 | 99 楼主是职业挖坑的吧 挖点新鲜的吧
您这帖子n久之前就看过了 |
z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 100 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
让我心悦诚服。
请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: It is funny you are not the first one to raise this type questions in a
: medical board. I remember there was another statistics professor who did
: same thing as you did, although I am not sure if it was your MJ.
: I, and my colleagues on this board, never go to other professional
: boards to make such a comparison.
: Enough has been said.
: Sorry I could not type Chinese now.
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 101 我开始对chiusmd敬仰起来， 你有NB的风格。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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g******8
发帖数: 542 | 102 你都终身教授了，境界怎么还这么低、看问题还这么狭隘不平和呢？有什么好比的啊？
你都终身教授了才拿16万，人家商学院博士一毕业就拿25万呢，出去做个咨询比你拿的
钱也多，是不是就比你更伟大了？再跟那些亿万富翁比呢？是不是更伟大？你这思维跟
小孩子似的
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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g********n
发帖数: 209 | 103 看到你反复发同样的帖子，对大家的解答怎么都不得要领，有点替你着急。看这16万挣
得。
一句话， 我们医生不喜欢闲得蛋痛。 |
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 104 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去 |
s**********t
发帖数: 217 | 105 一个人选择自己的职业在于自己的喜爱。特别是医生这个职业。如果你不喜爱这个辛苦
的职业， 你是做不下来的。医生要活到老学到老， 要不断更新知识。这个追求和压力
是永远存在的。看来你是很安于现状的。混吃等退休拿退休金。真为你所在的大学感到
悲哀。我们之间是没有可比性的。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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T***i
发帖数: 1354 | 106 谁也不知道谁是否轻松
【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 我比较羡慕和向往你的轻松的生活，可惜没得选择。
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c******4
发帖数: 4896 | 107 虽然明知是坑，还是要跳一下说非要比较才能有幸福感啊？
学校里的MD的老师工资是25万 |
J********0
发帖数: 19 | 108 有几句话，不吐不快。
1. 挣钱多少并不完全是大家学医的唯一目的。你把病人治好，救活之后的成就感；社
会上的地位；被人尊敬的感觉；个人的背景；家庭的期盼；个人喜好等等都是原因。如
果只为钱，去读MBA，开饭馆不一定挣得不比医生多。
2. 你拿你的个例和整个一个医学行业比较没意义。有多少人读统计PhD？有几个一毕业
就当上统计教授又收入16万？你敢说是普遍现象吗？你干了多久才到这步的？而医学只
要你读完了，基本上肯定有终身保证过上比较优越的生活。这份安全感我觉得是很多人
选择读医的重要原因之。
3. 就算退一万步，大家都庸俗。基本上来说你的收入也就是差不多最穷的医生的收入
。稍微专一点的医生都很容易挣你两三倍或更多的收入。
4. 工作极轻松很好吗？老黑待在家拿救济啥事不做不比你轻松？还不用读PhD。你愿意
吗？人总的有一点点事业心才有意思吧。 |
J********0
发帖数: 19 | 109 有几句话，不吐不快。
1. 挣钱多少并不完全是大家学医的唯一目的。你把病人治好，救活之后的成就感；社
会上的地位；被人尊敬的感觉；个人的背景；家庭的期盼；个人喜好等等都是原因。如
果只为钱，去读MBA，开饭馆不一定挣得不比医生多。
2. 你拿你的个例和整个一个医学行业比较没意义。有多少人读统计PhD？有几个一毕业
就当上统计教授又收入16万？你敢说是普遍现象吗？你干了多久才到这步的？而医学只
要你读完了，基本上肯定有终身保证过上比较优越的生活。这份安全感我觉得是很多人
选择读医的重要原因之。
3. 就算退一万步，大家都庸俗。基本上来说你的收入也就是差不多最穷的医生的收入
。稍微专一点的医生都很容易挣你两三倍或更多的收入。
4. 工作极轻松很好吗？老黑待在家拿救济啥事不做不比你轻松？还不用读PhD。你愿意
吗？人总的有一点点事业心才有意思吧。 |
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 110 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去 |
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W**********r
发帖数: 8927 | 111 别说和医生比，楼主这到湾区和很多硅公都比不过，都没到贫困线，没啥好骄傲的
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 做鸡做鸭最赚又好玩，做好也是一种职业追求。楼主快去
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a**********e
发帖数: 5124 | 112 没感觉教授有什么地位 国内当官有地位 美国也是参政有地位 |
y****2
发帖数: 109 | 113 你认为医疗行业的缺点 比如跟病人打交道、血淋淋的手术 有人很乐在其中的 而且
作为医生的成就感是当教授没法比的
您每年都有半年多的悠长假期 请问您又有多少预算能花在上面呢
俺个人宁可用１０倍的钱度假１个星期 不愿用紧张的预算放松半年
生活态度不同把 |
y****2
发帖数: 109 | 114 啥也不用说了 lz自己慢慢high吧
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤科医生不就是上点药吗？上网查一下就知道如何诊断病情了，
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s********o
发帖数: 373 | 115 诊断： 该教授属于 cluster B personality disorder, Narcissistic type
自以为是，坐在那里没事，得意洋洋的觉得自己挣钱多地位高是 |
W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 116 找个二奶吧，有个二奶你就有办法打发时间了。否则很无聊。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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c***6
发帖数: 229 | |
y***n
发帖数: 6764 | 118 哇，16万的年薪，好高！
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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V**y
发帖数: 788 | 119 大家怎么都对楼主迟滞以鼻鼻？何必呢，俗话说有容奶大，别老气呼呼的。 |
E**********y
发帖数: 991 | 120 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍。有
医生拿的数是你的2-3倍，而且谁说医生没有甜妞，有些专业可以干到八九十岁
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 版主的英文水平极高，我非常佩服。
: 尤其是这句话，Enough has been said, 画龙点睛，一语双关，
: 让我心悦诚服。
: 请问版主是国内哪个医学院毕业的？一定很有名的。
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 121 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
【在 E**********y 的大作中提到】
: 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍。有
: 医生拿的数是你的2-3倍，而且谁说医生没有甜妞，有些专业可以干到八九十岁
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W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 122 you feel too good about yourself, which is blind and narrow-minded
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 123 what is the reason for me to feel bad about myself? I have not seen one.
【在 W*****t 的大作中提到】
: you feel too good about yourself, which is blind and narrow-minded
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W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 124 it's OK to feel good about yourself, which means you are living a decent
life. But to show off might not be that "decent". Sorry if this offends you.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: what is the reason for me to feel bad about myself? I have not seen one.
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z*******2
发帖数: 2643 | 125 initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
that I am showing off?
you.
【在 W*****t 的大作中提到】
: it's OK to feel good about yourself, which means you are living a decent
: life. But to show off might not be that "decent". Sorry if this offends you.
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W*****t
发帖数: 4595 | 126 haha, anyway, enjoy your time.
I am a little drunk right now. I apologize if I talk nonsense.
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 127 但是也不等于拿到甜妞就可以不干活了塞。甜妞没funding被fire又不是没见过
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 您对台牛的制度没有理解，干到八九十岁不等于台牛。
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 128 "doctors degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my
opinion."
这个乐死我了，您老能把这贴发到student doctor network上吗？记得发的时候别说自
己是中国人就行
the
in
State
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
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C*****D
发帖数: 1299 | 129 说的对。大家得容忍一些不同声音。阴损刻薄没关系，只要不暴粗口。
LZ是人来疯，越战越勇。
【在 V**y 的大作中提到】
: 大家怎么都对楼主迟滞以鼻鼻？何必呢，俗话说有容奶大，别老气呼呼的。
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s****p
发帖数: 1087 | 130 哈哈，挖坑的就是这样嘛。而且他不生气，看你生气他越沉着越高兴。
话说比较一下不同职业的work style和life style，还是有益的。
因为很多人根本没有机会了解别的行业。 |
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W***9
发帖数: 4834 | 131 Can you pick alternate words instead of many "show off"s which are boring
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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U*******B
发帖数: 2547 | 132 Based on this "Zhongguo2" s reply, I am sure he is not a professor. Guys,
let him be. Its a shame to have ppl like this in mitbbs
【在 W***9 的大作中提到】
: Can you pick alternate words instead of many "show off"s which are boring
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d***y
发帖数: 2567 | 133 就这脑子问这么闹残的问题，学统计的脸都让你给丢尽了. |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 134 很好， 问题是你问医生们对收入和life style的看法， 而医生们似乎不太关心统计教
授的收入和life style. 很高兴你对自己的收入和工作极度满意。 我实际上只关心你
医疗保险买够了没有。
the
in
State
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 135 A biologist by training who came from Taiwan, I have lived in US for more
than a quarter century, mostly at Boston, Massachusetts. I am familiar with
medical field in Taiwan and biological field in US, somewhat with medical
and legal fields in US.
We have no idea what you describe yourself is true or not. As they say, "On
the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki
/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_you%27re_a_dog
Yet, why do I go through all the troubles to point out your foibles? Because
I want to give you a lesson or two.
(1) You proclaim, "我是统计学教授，年薪16万，能拿一辈子这个工资退休金到老死."
(a) Man, this is United States.
United States is not in decline. However, its public debts (of government of
all levels) is relatively high (though still less than 100% of GDP,
compared with Japan that is inching toward 200% of its GDP). Americans pride
themselves on work ethics, so job benefits are comparatively modest
alongside with those in Europe (but that is why Europeans are not
competitive in productivity).
There is no such posh jobs as yours any more.
Don't you know that Republicans are risking their necks to cut Medicare and
Medicaid?
Don't you know state governments of various states aims to reduce benefits
and pension of state employees? Although the newly inaugurated Republican
governor of Wisconsin grab headlines, Massachusetts (where all branches of
state house is firmly in the hand of Democrats) and New Jersey (Republican
governor and both chambers of state legislature, which are Democratically
controlled, work closely to reduce/abolish collective bargaining power of
state employee unions.
My point is nobody can say for sure that his or her position will not be
eliminated (and your can), salary not reduced, benefits or pensions not cut.
In fact, there was no job in US like this for decades. US is dynamic,
unlike Japan in old days where a worker work the whole life for a company,
which is unsustainable and gradually job security is no longer guaranteed in
Japan.
(b) You do not identify your institution. However, your premise that 能拿一
辈子这个工资退休金到老死 is simply false.
You dupe all other readers, but not me. Alas, I am smarter than you think.
Anybody with common sense knows that a worker, any worker, will not keep 100
% salary after retirement.
As for professorship, I will give you one example.
2.0 Faculty and Other Academic Appointments; 2.3 Academic Instructional
Staff Appointments; 2.3.1 Professor Emeritus and Professor Without Tenure (
Retired). MIT Policies & Procedures: A Guide for Faculty and Staff Members.
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), undated.
http://web.mit.edu/policies/2/2.3.html
("A professor who retires becomes professor emeritus and may keep the name
of his or her chair, emeritus. Appointments to the rank of professor
emeritus are normally without salary. * * * Professors without tenure (
retired) are eligible for benefits as retirees rather than active employees.
* * * Professors without tenure (retired) must report their outside
professional activities to their department heads annually, as described in
Section 4.4 Conflict of Interest and Section 4.5 Outside Professional
Activities.")
(c) Teachers—Postsecondary, in Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2010-11
Edition. Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Department of Labor.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm
* The section "Earnings":
"Median annual earnings of all postsecondary teachers in May 2008 were $58,
830. The middle 50 percent earned between $41,600 and $83,960. The lowest 10
percent earned less than $28,870, and the highest 10 percent earned more
than $121,850.
"Earnings for college faculty vary with the rank and type of institution,
geographic area, and field. According to a 2008–09 survey by the American
Association of University Professors, salaries for full-time faculty
averaged $79,439. By rank, the average was $108,749 for professors, $76,147
for associate professors, $63,827 for assistant professors, $45,977 for
instructors, and $52,436 for lecturers. In 2008–09, full-time faculty
salaries averaged $92,257 in private independent institutions, $77,009 in
public institutions, and $71,857 in religiously affiliated private colleges
and universities. Faculty in 4-year institutions earn higher salaries, on
average, than do those in 2-year schools. In fields with high-paying
nonacademic alternatives—medicine, law, engineering, and business, among
others—earnings exceed these averages. In others fields, such as the
humanities and education, earnings are lower. Earnings for postsecondary
career and technical education teachers vary widely by subject, academic
credentials, experience, and region of the country.
"Many faculty members have significant earnings from consulting, teaching
additional courses, research, writing for publication, or other employment,
in addition to their base salary. Many college and university faculty enjoy
unique benefits, including access to campus facilities, tuition waivers for
dependents, housing and travel allowances, and paid leave for sabbaticals.
Part-time faculty and instructors usually have fewer benefits than full-time
faculty have.
* The next section "Wages":
Statistics belongsin "MATHEMATICAL SCIENCE TEACHERS, POSTSECONDARY," whose "
mean annual wage" is $73,480:
"Percentile.............10% ........... 25%..............50%(Median) .......
75% ............90%
Annual Wage......$35,210 ..... $48,020 ...... $65,710 ................$90,
710 .....$125,760"
(2) AAUP survey.
Economic Status Reports. by American Association of University Professors (
AAUP)
http://www.aaup.org/AAUP/comm/rep/Z/default.htm
("The AAUP's faculty compensation survey, the 'Annual Report on the Economic
Status of the Profession,' is published in the March-April issue of the
AAUP magazine, Academe")
Clcik "2010-11"
>
In the new web page titled "2010-11 Report on the Economic Status of the
Profession," click the top tag "List of Tables and Figures."
>
(a) Table G: Average Salaries of Full Professors, by Discipline, as a
Percentage of the Average Salary of Full Professors of English Language and
Literature, 1980–81 to 2009–10
For 2009-10, the range is from 159.5% for "Law and Legal Studies" to 87.6%
for "Fine Arts: Visual and Performing."
"Business Administration and Management" and "Health Professions and Related
Sciences" are 150.9% and 118.9%, respectively.
Statistics belongs in "Mathematics."
(b) See in this web page also
(i) Table 4 Average Salary and Average Compensation Levels, by Category,
Affiliation, and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(ii) Table 9A Percentile Distribution of Institutions, by Average Salary
and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(iii) Table 9B Percentile Distribution of Institutions, by Average
Compensation and Academic Rank, 2010–11 (Dollars)
(iv) Table 13 Number and Percent of Faculty, Average Salary, Average
Compensation, Average Benefits, and Percent of Faculty Tenured, by Category
and Academic Rank, 2010–11
My comment:
(i) As inidcatred in Table 4:
Category I: Doctoral institutions
Category IIA: Master's institutions
Category IIB: Baccalaureate institutions
Category III: Two-year institutions with academic ranks
Category IV: Two-year institutions without academic ranks
(ii) AAUP 2010-11 survey is based on 1,319 reporting institutions, which
reported "salary, comnpensation and benefits" for each teacher (Tables 13
and 4). On the other hand, BLS's "earnings"
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos066.htm#earnings
is strictly salaries alone.
(3) Let's go to your profession: statistics.
Salary Information: Academic Salary Reports. American Statistical
Association (ASA)
http://www.amstat.org/careers/salaryinformation.cfm
(analyzed by "Keith Crank, ASA Research and Graduate Education Manager";
click "2010- 2011 Academic Statisticians")
To earn 160 K, you must be top of the cream in American statistics: work at
least 6-7 years in a research university AND at 90th percentile. In the
entire US, there are only 330 persons. Congratuation!
(4) Let's pity doctors.
(a) Physicians and Surgeons, in Occupational Outlook Handbook, 2010-11
Edition. Bureau of Labor Statistics, US Department of Labor.
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos074.htm
* section "Earnings":
"Earnings of physicians and surgeons are among the highest of any occupation
. According to the Medical Group Management Association's Physician
Compensation and Production Survey, median total compensation for physicians
varied by their type of practice. In 2008, physicians practicing primary
care had total median annual compensation of $186,044, and physicians
practicing in medical specialties earned total median annual compensation of
$339,738.
"Self-employed physicians—those who own or are part owners of their medical
practice—generally have higher median incomes than salaried physicians.
Earnings vary according to number of years in practice, geographic region,
hours worked, skill, personality, and professional reputation. Self-employed
physicians and surgeons must provide for their own health insurance and
retirement.
My comment: Please do not despise primary care physicians.
* Section "Wages": Let's take perennial top earners ANESTHESIOLOGISTS as an
example, whose "mean hourly wage" and "mean annual wage" are $105.82 and $
220,100, respectively.
(b) Doctors have a dog's life.
(i) Nozia Sayyed, ‘Doctors have shorter lifespan than patients.’ Daily
News Analysis (DNA), Feb 1, 2010.
http://www.dnaindia.com/lifestyle/report_doctors-have-shorter-l
("An observation by the Indian Medical Association’s (IMA) Pune chapter
says that an Indian doctor’s average lifespan is 55-59 years, almost 10
years lesser than that of the general population")
(ii) But see
Frank E, Biola H and Burnett CA, Mortality rates and causes among U.S.
physicians. Am J Prev Med 19:155-9 (2000)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11020591
("These findings should help to erase the myth of the unhealthy doctor. At
least for men, mortality outcomes suggest that physicians make healthy
personal choices")
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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z*s
发帖数: 1695 | 136 问这个问题的好无聊，亏你还是教授，高薪的医生薪水是30万以上，也有很多假期，日
子过得不要太逍遥，做成教授前，那日子也不轻松。况且你做成教授，就不要发文章了
吗？不发文章不拿funding，在系里面恐怕很难抬头。 |
W**r
发帖数: 1492 | 137 当个统计教授就自我感觉良好了，你有什么资格跟学医的比？简直是井低之蛙。。。
去看看加州大学医学教授的工资单再说。。。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
p****d
发帖数: 420 | 138
the
in
State
你就是个SB二百五。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: 每天逗逗blonde女大学生，时间过得快。
: If you consider the percentage of the population, the percentage of
: statistical professor is way below the percentage of the doctors. doctors
: degree is much easier to get than the statistical phd, in my opinion.
: doctors do not have to explore new scientific inventions. doctors follow the
: guide. professors do not have any guide to follow, they guide themselves in
: exploration.
: when was the last time you heard a kid say i want to be a Secretary of State
: when i grow up?
|
l******o
发帖数: 8344 | 139 哈哈，首页坑，跳一个
给点局外人的想法吧， 如果我家小孩是国内医学院出来，到美国来留学的，我当然最
希望孩子在美国考个BOARD，毕竟几年考试，MATCH，RESIDENT辛苦 之后能换回来很好
的回报。
但是如果他在国外成长，我随他便，因为先读本科，再读昂贵的医学院，再考试，
MATCH，RESIDENT之后，代价还是很大的，所以要看娃自己的兴趣。
如果要在统计和医学的专业之间做一个选者 ，而娃都兴趣一般的话，我想还是希望娃
选者医学吧，毕竟统计学到顶，才16万，学医学的话，好的外科医生能拿上百万吧？ |
t**g
发帖数: 723 | 140 你是说比较一下当生物医学方面的faculty和当医生吧？
生物方面的faculty也不好当的，压力应该比你这个大，相比很多人还是更愿意当医生。
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 141
............................
你最常用的软件工具是什么？ R ?
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
W**r
发帖数: 1492 | 142
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
这两句问得真有水平，美国小学生都知道答案，呵呵
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
|
M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 143
other
........................
Possible, but not necessarily insecure.
He may just be curious.
【在 x****z 的大作中提到】
: Every profession brings different things to the table. There is no single
: one BEST profession, but only the right fit for each individual. While you
: should be happy for yourself for finding the best fit as a statistics
: professor, this does not give you any right to discriminate against any
: other profession. The mere fact that you are comparing your trade with other
: profession shows your insecurity deep down.
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m********e
发帖数: 349 | 144 有的人觉得你这种生活太闲了，难受
把病人从鬼门关里捞回来，多活几个月或者一两年的，成就感你体会不到。
切除脑部肿瘤，而又不损伤其他功能区，陶醉于自己精湛手艺的优越感，你也体会不到。（哈哈，虽然有些自恋） |
b*w
发帖数: 2062 | 145 most new stats ap makes 60 to 80k f94 o months, even most full prof make
just around 100 to 120k, you must be exceptional. but if u r in the top 5-10
income bracket in ur field, u should compare urself accordingly. i know
some derm works 4 days a week and makes 350k+
rad works harder, but over 400k plus 12 wks vacation is not too bad either
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: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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l*******t
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l*******t
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a******o
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老大不小的教授居然问出小学生的作文问题 "哪个职业更加受到尊敬呢"
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: initially I only want to ask a question. my intention was not to show off.
: however, many people Think that I am showing off. If I tell you that I am
: not showing off, would you still believe that I am showing off? do you
: believe my words that I am not showing off, or you trust your own belief
: that I am showing off?
:
: you.
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D**i
发帖数: 325 | 149 óD2?
【在 z*******2 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
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