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u****n
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2010/12/the-top-ten-china-myths-of-2010.html
The Top Ten China Myths of 2010
Posted by Evan Osnos
1. Dissidents no longer matter in global diplomacy. Fact: After China joined
the World Trade Organization and hosted the Beijing Olympics, the image of
the impassioned, ink-stained inmate began to seem as retro as a Cold War spy
swap. When the presidents of China and the U.S. convened, they could hardly
be expected to have more than a ritual exchange of differing opinions on
human rights before moving on to more practical matters of mutual concern.
But then the Nobel Prize Committee chose Liu Xiaobo, and, instead of turning
a blind eye and ignoring it, China vowed to punish Norway and advised other
countries to stay away from the ceremony. Liu Xiaobo, who had been little
known beforehand, became famous in China and abroad. China confronted a full
-blown diplomatic crisis. (Spy swaps are back, too.)
2. No company can afford to antagonize China. Fact: Google even had a good
year doing it.
3. China is parting ways with North Korea. Fact: When a leaked U.S. State
Department cable suggested that Chinese diplomats were whispering about the
need for change on the Korean peninsula, some in the West saw a glimmer of
daylight between the “lips and teeth,” to use the unlovely old metaphor
for that special relationship. But the Chinese government contains a large,
variegated range of opinion, and for the moment the consensus is far more in
favor of protecting Kim as a defense against a refugee crisis and a U.S.
troop presence on China’s eastern border.
4. The U.S. has lost the green-technology race. Fact: It can be difficult to
tell on any given day whether China is trouncing the U.S. or hobbled by its
own top-down instincts to pick winners and losers. But, overall, this is
the third inning, and we don’t yet know how it will play out. The one
undisputed fact: China is hungrier.
5. Beijing doesn’t care about air quality. Fact: After years of avoiding
calls to make more honest measurements of its air quality, China startled
environment experts in November by unveiling a new system to provide hourly
real-time air-quality information on a hundred and thirteen key cities, with
indexes of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen dioxide, and particulate matter.
6. Beijing has licked its air-quality problem. Fact: No, the Olympics did
not solve this. It still gets “crazy bad” some days. That was the
wonderfully candid, and quickly revised, term adopted by the U.S. Embassy
when it began to report pollution measurements that were literally off the
charts.
7. China’s G.D.P. growth speaks for itself. Fact: If you’ve ever wondered
whether China’s gross-domestic-product statistics are too perfect, ask the
man who is probably the next premier: Li Keqiang told a U.S. ambassador that
local G.D.P. numbers are, in the ambassador’s words, “man-made.” Li
Keqiang, who was head of the Communist Party in northeastern Liaoning
province at the time, earns credibility with this acknowledgement. For
measurements that are less prone to meddling by ambitious bureaucrats, he
keeps track of 1) electricity consumption; 2) rail-cargo volume; 3) loans.
Incidentally, this is not to say that Chinese G.D.P. is lower than reported.
It may very well be higher.
8. The “Beijing Model” is a product of Deng Xiaoping’s economic
engineering. Fact: It’s fashionable to declare this the age of Chinese
state capitalism, but look closely at the record of China’s economic growth
over thirty years and the pattern is, in fact, more conventional, erratic,
and experimental than Party historians like to present. It’s conventional
because, as political economist Huang Yasheng explains, the lives of China’
s eight hundred million peasants have improved fastest when they are allowed
to pursue plain old entrepreneurship (and, as John Cassidy explains,
because the West has also used state resources to boost investment). It’s
erratic and experimental because there was no grand plan. Party leaders whom
most people have never heard of used trial and error. As the economist
Barry Naughton, of the University of California at San Diego, put it, Deng
never expressed “any particular insight into the functioning of the economy
.”
9. Apparatchiks can get away with anything. Fact: After a twenty-two-year-
old drunk driver, Li Qiming, hit two students with his Volkswagen, in
October, he told the officers who attempted to arrest him, “Go ahead, sue
me if you dare. My dad is Li Gang!” Li Gang, it turned out, was deputy
police chief in the Beishi district of Baoding, and the Li pere and fils
became the brunt of an Internet campaign infused with contempt for entitled
officialdom. Li Qiming was arrested and his father sobbed on national
television. “My dad is Li Gang” became of one of the memes of the year (
included, oddly, in a list published in a state-backed newspaper). Local
abuses of power remain a towering problem for China’s central government—
and Li is likely to be treated leniently—but 2010 will be remembered as a
turning point in the rising tension over fairness and power in China.
10. China will do everything it can to avoid ruffling foreign powers. Fact:
There was a time, not so long ago, when Chinese foreign-policy strategists
were guided above all by a powerful interest in “hiding their claws,” as
Deng Xiaoping used to say, to avoid encountering unnecessary resistance as
they amassed power. But 2010, more than ever, put an end to that principle.
China heaped diplomatic pressure on Japan to compel it to concede in a
maritime dispute, rankled India by raising claims to territory in the Indian
state of Arunachal Pradesh, and declared the South China Sea a “core
national interest,” marking a new seriousness to claims over a hotly
contested swath of ocean.
u****n
发帖数: 7521
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第九条Apparatchiks 是什么意思?
a*********l
发帖数: 386
3
纽约客,真正的知华派,
民主的美国,才能拥有这样客观冷静的杂志。
P*****t
发帖数: 4978
4
官僚子弟?

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: 第九条Apparatchiks 是什么意思?
u****n
发帖数: 7521
5
看你就想骂你。

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,真正的知华派,
: 民主的美国,才能拥有这样客观冷静的杂志。

z*******3
发帖数: 1593
6
干部

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: 第九条Apparatchiks 是什么意思?
J*********r
发帖数: 5921
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TG官僚,源自俄语。

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: 第九条Apparatchiks 是什么意思?
l*****o
发帖数: 9235
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这种文章是非常经典西方洗脑文,用的技巧是混合一些真实的信息和虚假的信息, 来
推销那些虚假的信息。
a*********l
发帖数: 386
9
纽约客,在西欧美日,是客观的代名词,很多中国人,也很喜欢看纽约客,非常羡慕美
国人可以随意的订阅纽约客。

【在 l*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这种文章是非常经典西方洗脑文,用的技巧是混合一些真实的信息和虚假的信息, 来
: 推销那些虚假的信息。

u****n
发帖数: 7521
10
luketao来分析分析他们的写法,如何把私货放进文章里面,这样可以给中国的文宣水
平上个档次。

【在 l*****o 的大作中提到】
: 这种文章是非常经典西方洗脑文,用的技巧是混合一些真实的信息和虚假的信息, 来
: 推销那些虚假的信息。

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a*********l
发帖数: 386
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没有必要,反正绝大部分中国人都看不见纽约客,

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: luketao来分析分析他们的写法,如何把私货放进文章里面,这样可以给中国的文宣水
: 平上个档次。

x*********g
发帖数: 11508
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Apparatchik
n. 职业政党工作人员

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: 第九条Apparatchiks 是什么意思?
p****g
发帖数: 881
13
你的屁眼真会说屁话

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,真正的知华派,
: 民主的美国,才能拥有这样客观冷静的杂志。

u****n
发帖数: 7521
14
纽约客杂志有多少用户?占美国总人口的多少?

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 没有必要,反正绝大部分中国人都看不见纽约客,
u****n
发帖数: 7521
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屁眼说屁话是正常的,但嘴巴说屁话就不正常了。

【在 p****g 的大作中提到】
: 你的屁眼真会说屁话
P*****t
发帖数: 4978
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那个是小将卧底吧,太恶心了。
x*********g
发帖数: 11508
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这里myths翻译成“迷思”,可能比“神话”更准确一些。
t***o
发帖数: 4265
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你的言下之意是在西方,纽约客之外的报刊杂志,就不是客观的代名词?
日本能看到纽约客吗?

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,在西欧美日,是客观的代名词,很多中国人,也很喜欢看纽约客,非常羡慕美
: 国人可以随意的订阅纽约客。

a*********l
发帖数: 386
19
纽约客,非常客观真实,在西方社会知识分子阶层,很高的影响力,日本可以随意购买
纽约客。无数中国大学生,渴望在中国订阅到纽约客,感受西方的美好民主制度。

【在 t***o 的大作中提到】
: 你的言下之意是在西方,纽约客之外的报刊杂志,就不是客观的代名词?
: 日本能看到纽约客吗?

l*****o
发帖数: 9235
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比如说第一段一大段废话,最后加入私货: “Liu Xiaobo, who had been little
known beforehand, became famous in China and abroad.” 刘三百在中国的知名度
应该还不如茅于是,任志强,陈至五之流,怎么就成famous了?
第九段中“2010 will be remembered as a turning point in the rising tension
over fairness and power in China”很明显虚假就虚假在“turning point”。
第十段“rankled India by raising claims to territory in the Indian state of
Arunachal Pradesh”也是虚假信息,因为中国对藏南的主张自古已有,这句英文给人
的印象是中国2010年刚刚提出来的。
这篇文章每个段落开始的分析都是正确的,但是喜欢在每个段落的最后加入虚假私货,
目的在于
1。 给人留下虚假的中国社会环境和中国政府行为的印象,达到妖魔化的目的;
2。 同时给西方反华势力造成反华还有希望的错觉;
3。 让读者一开始觉得作者分析得正确,放松警惕,从而接受后面的假货

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: luketao来分析分析他们的写法,如何把私货放进文章里面,这样可以给中国的文宣水
: 平上个档次。

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u****n
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你要当地下党也要更精明一点,太吃果果了。

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,非常客观真实,在西方社会知识分子阶层,很高的影响力,日本可以随意购买
: 纽约客。无数中国大学生,渴望在中国订阅到纽约客,感受西方的美好民主制度。

D********y
发帖数: 4948
22

看纽约客,学习英语而已,还不用天天看反华的内容,这就是为什么大家想看纽约客的
原因。5分钱好挣么?

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,非常客观真实,在西方社会知识分子阶层,很高的影响力,日本可以随意购买
: 纽约客。无数中国大学生,渴望在中国订阅到纽约客,感受西方的美好民主制度。

V*E
发帖数: 1642
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ding

joined
of
spy
hardly
turning

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2010/12/the-top-ten-china-myths-of-2010.html
: The Top Ten China Myths of 2010
: Posted by Evan Osnos
: 1. Dissidents no longer matter in global diplomacy. Fact: After China joined
: the World Trade Organization and hosted the Beijing Olympics, the image of
: the impassioned, ink-stained inmate began to seem as retro as a Cold War spy
: swap. When the presidents of China and the U.S. convened, they could hardly
: be expected to have more than a ritual exchange of differing opinions on
: human rights before moving on to more practical matters of mutual concern.
: But then the Nobel Prize Committee chose Liu Xiaobo, and, instead of turning

d*p
发帖数: 402
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4和5怎么自相矛盾啊
h*l
发帖数: 807
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Hehe,第二条的私货太明显了。典型的偷换概念。股狗的在中国生意是在是太差,虽然
总公司的效益不错,那么
大的市场拱手让给了百度,还说不错。以后一个增长点没了。

joined
of
spy
hardly
turning

【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2010/12/the-top-ten-china-myths-of-2010.html
: The Top Ten China Myths of 2010
: Posted by Evan Osnos
: 1. Dissidents no longer matter in global diplomacy. Fact: After China joined
: the World Trade Organization and hosted the Beijing Olympics, the image of
: the impassioned, ink-stained inmate began to seem as retro as a Cold War spy
: swap. When the presidents of China and the U.S. convened, they could hardly
: be expected to have more than a ritual exchange of differing opinions on
: human rights before moving on to more practical matters of mutual concern.
: But then the Nobel Prize Committee chose Liu Xiaobo, and, instead of turning

N***c
发帖数: 1090
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你这是站在中国人的观点上来看人家的文章
作为美国人谁关心藏南古代属于谁?在有争议的领土上每一方都会说自古拥有,人家只
会认为这是一个没有太多根据的claim。
刘晓波就更没说错,本来都快要被人忘了,现在又成为热点

of

【在 l*****o 的大作中提到】
: 比如说第一段一大段废话,最后加入私货: “Liu Xiaobo, who had been little
: known beforehand, became famous in China and abroad.” 刘三百在中国的知名度
: 应该还不如茅于是,任志强,陈至五之流,怎么就成famous了?
: 第九段中“2010 will be remembered as a turning point in the rising tension
: over fairness and power in China”很明显虚假就虚假在“turning point”。
: 第十段“rankled India by raising claims to territory in the Indian state of
: Arunachal Pradesh”也是虚假信息,因为中国对藏南的主张自古已有,这句英文给人
: 的印象是中国2010年刚刚提出来的。
: 这篇文章每个段落开始的分析都是正确的,但是喜欢在每个段落的最后加入虚假私货,
: 目的在于

m***6
发帖数: 8479
27
小妞,你的卫生巾该换了

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,真正的知华派,
: 民主的美国,才能拥有这样客观冷静的杂志。

h***e
发帖数: 20195
28
这要多天真的儿童才能说出这样的话啊

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,在西欧美日,是客观的代名词,很多中国人,也很喜欢看纽约客,非常羡慕美
: 国人可以随意的订阅纽约客。

u****n
发帖数: 7521
29
感觉她是地下党。
发信人: honde (天地有正气,杂然赋流形), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 《纽约客》:2010年中国10大神话(myths)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Dec 11 18:17:25 2010, 美东)
这要多天真的儿童才能说出这样的话啊

【在 a*********l 的大作中提到】
: 纽约客,在西欧美日,是客观的代名词,很多中国人,也很喜欢看纽约客,非常羡慕美
: 国人可以随意的订阅纽约客。

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