p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 1 北非革命浪潮到底会波及多大，多远，目前还只是一个未知数.不过伊斯兰世界的蠢蠢
欲动是何其明显，突尼斯已经基本成功，老大哥埃及也顶不住了，在中东的沙特好像也
有异动的报道。
突尼斯，埃及，沙特这些国家有一个共同点就是经济相对稳定，发展势头也不错，民众
相对富裕，整个社会已经稳定发展了几十年了，但是政治就比较保守，最明显的就是国
家元首基本可以连续执政二十年以上。不过街头革命的意义有多大，成功率如何，对国
家政治进程的帮助有多大，还值得期待。这一波浪潮是否能够轻易化解，穆巴拉克，阿
普杜拉等等估计得废一番心思了。
二十一世纪的第二个十年有多少期待？
懒得翻译！
Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- Thousands of protesters spilled into the streets of
Egypt on Tuesday, an unprecedented display of anti-government rage inspired
in part by the tumult in the nearby North African nation of Tunisia.
Two people died in clashes between the protesters and police, according to
an interior ministry statement. One demonstrator was killed by tear gas in
the eastern city of Suez, while one policeman was killed in Cairo by rock-
throwing protesters, it said.
Throngs in the sprawling capital city marched from the huge Tahrir Square in
Cairo toward the parliament building, according to CNN reporters on the
scene.
Demonstrators threw rocks at police and police hurled rocks back. Tear-gas
canisters were shot at demonstrators and the protesters threw them back.
Protest organizers said they hope to capture the regional momentum for
political change set by Tunisians, who 10 days ago forced the collapse of
Zine El Abidine Ben Ali's 23-year rule.
The grievances were foreshadowed after several Egyptians set themselves or
tried to set themselves on fire earlier this month, mirroring the self-
immolation of a Tunisian man whose action spurred the uprising there.
Gallery: Protesters on streets in Cairo
Protesters fill Egypt's streets
Tear gas fired at Cairo protesters
Thousands protest corruption in Egypt The Tunisian uprising was the most
successful revolt in the region since 1979, but it is anybody's guess
whether uprisings will spread to other Arabic-speaking lands.
Juan Cole, a Middle East historian at the University of Michigan, says
Tunisia is different from other Arab nations. Tunisia, he said, is the "most
secular country in the Arab world." Its traditions have favored women's
rights, and its Islamist influence is negligible.
The United States and other governments are monitoring the demonstrations in
Cairo and elsewhere closely. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged
all people to "exercise restraint" and supported "the fundamental right of
expression and assembly for all people."
"But our assessment is that the Egyptian government is stable and is looking
for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian
people," she said.
To highlight the role of police corruption, the protest organizers in Egypt
picked January 25 -- Police Day and a national holiday -- to hold protests.
The protests started off small, but they grew as people came to the center
of the city from bridges over the Nile River.
Police were restrained and at times were seemingly outnumbered by the
protesters, who sang the national anthem and inched forward to express their
ire toward the government.
Witnesses said large groups of plain-clothes police were heading to Tahrir
Square.
Protesters had been expressing their anger over the rising cost of living,
failed economic policies and corruption, but all those concerns were
distilled into one overriding demand -- the resignation of President Hosni
Mubarak, in power for three decades.
The outpouring included young and old, Christians and Muslims, students,
workers and business people.
"We breathe corruption in the air," said one demonstrator, who along with
others said their children have no future.
Protesters attempt to storm parliament
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At its peak there were perhaps 15,000 to 20,000 people in Tahrir Square, but
that crowd later dwindled to about 5,000 to 8,000. The main road in front
of parliament, Qasr Al-Aini, was closed to traffic. The square is two blocks
from parliament.
Social media has been all-important in mobilizing and organizing protests.
But bloggers and others in Egypt reported problems with electronic
communication later in the day. Twitter is down or is operating slowly,
activists can't access their cell phones or text messages, and opposition
websites can't be accessed.
There were other demonstrations in Cairo suburbs of Heliopolis, Shubra Al-
Khaima, Muhandasin and Dar Al-Salam.
One man said Egypt is not Tunisia, it's Romania under Nicolae Ceausescu, a
reference to the late and much-reviled communist leader.
The Front to Defend Egypt Protesters, an alliance of lawyers who helped
organize the events, said about 200 demonstrators were in the southern city
of Aswan, 2,000 in the eastern city of Ismailiya, and about 3,000 in the
northern city of Mahallah.
The Egyptian government did not issue permits for Tuesday's planned protests.
In an interview released Tuesday with state-run al-Ahram newspaper, Interior
Minister Habib Adly warned that "the security agencies are able to stop any
attempt to attend" the demonstrations and called the efforts of the "youth
staging street protests ineffective."
By early Tuesday morning, more than 90,000 people throughout the country had
pledged to participate in the Facebook event "We Are All KhaledSaid," named
after an Alexandria activist who was allegedly beaten to death by police.
The Facebook group demands raising the minimum wage, firing the interior
minister, creating two-term presidential term limits and scrapping existing
emergency laws that the group says "resulted in police control" over the
people and the nation.
Amnesty International released a statement Monday "urging the Egyptian
authorities not to crack down" on the planned nationwide demonstration.
The banned Muslim Brotherhood, the biggest organized opposition to Mubarak's
regime, had stated it would not have an official presence at Tuesday's
protests, but some of its members "have reportedly been summoned and
threatened with arrest and detention" if they attend and protest, Amnesty
International said.
It was not clear whether opposition leader and Nobel Peace laureate Mohamed
ElBaradei would attend the planned demonstrations. However, he posted
statements supporting the effort on his Twitter account.
He also issued a video statement released Monday on YouTube addressing
policemen.
"I sympathize with you because sometimes you are asked to do things that you
do not want to do," ElBaradei said.
"One day, I hope that you will regain your role as the protectors of the
people; rather than protectors of ... fraud elections. I am sure that every
one of you deep inside is looking forward to the day that his role will
again be with the people and a part of them, rather than against them," he
said.
Public sentiment against state security forces has grown recently with
alleged videos of police brutality shown on the Internet. A recent report
from Human Rights Watch said the problem is "epidemic," and "in most cases,
officials torture detainees to obtain information and coerce confessions,
occasionally leading to death in custody."
Some other human rights groups, such as the Arabic Network for Human Rights,
have drawn a comparison between Egypt and Tunisia under Ben Ali, in terms
of the level of government corruption and police brutality.
Adly, the Egyptian interior minister, dismissed any such comparisons,
calling it "propaganda" that had been dismissed by politicians as "
intellectual immaturity."
But one woman, identified only as Nahla, who planned to attend the Tuesday
protests, disagrees. She wrote in an online post, "I hope the [Tunisia-style
] revolution will be taught in history. And that Egyptians will learn in
school later about the January 25th revolution." | p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 2 不管怎样，能把注意力从我鳖引开就是好，欢迎再多点骚乱，多折腾10年吧 | d****z
发帖数: 9503 | 3 穆巴拉克要是倒了，够美国喝一壶的。
【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: 北非革命浪潮到底会波及多大，多远，目前还只是一个未知数.不过伊斯兰世界的蠢蠢
: 欲动是何其明显，突尼斯已经基本成功，老大哥埃及也顶不住了，在中东的沙特好像也
: 有异动的报道。
: 突尼斯，埃及，沙特这些国家有一个共同点就是经济相对稳定，发展势头也不错，民众
: 相对富裕，整个社会已经稳定发展了几十年了，但是政治就比较保守，最明显的就是国
: 家元首基本可以连续执政二十年以上。不过街头革命的意义有多大，成功率如何，对国
: 家政治进程的帮助有多大，还值得期待。这一波浪潮是否能够轻易化解，穆巴拉克，阿
: 普杜拉等等估计得废一番心思了。
: 二十一世纪的第二个十年有多少期待？
: 懒得翻译！
| p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 4 这些国家目前基本都是美国的利益链上的蚂蚱。倒了之后，不知道会怎么样，难说 | d*********t
发帖数: 4393 | 5 美国肯定有plan B。
【在 d****z 的大作中提到】
: 穆巴拉克要是倒了，够美国喝一壶的。
| c****g
发帖数: 37081 | | p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 7 Plan B 会是什么呢？
【在 d*********t 的大作中提到】
: 美国肯定有plan B。
| p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 8 感觉到了，天要下雨，就让它来吧
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: 伊斯兰革命又要来了？
| d*********t
发帖数: 4393 | 9 另外一个听话的领导人。
【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: Plan B 会是什么呢？
| x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 10 Plan B要是执行不了呢，例如伊朗巴列维倒了之后那种情况。
【在 d*********t 的大作中提到】
: 另外一个听话的领导人。
| | | d*********t
发帖数: 4393 | 11 那就只能事后想办法补救了，反正现在美国还是最强大的国家。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: Plan B要是执行不了呢，例如伊朗巴列维倒了之后那种情况。
| p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 12 大不了，就像伊拉克那样呗，美国十年不打仗，经济就要落后一大截
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: Plan B要是执行不了呢，例如伊朗巴列维倒了之后那种情况。
| p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 13 中东那一块丢了，美国就只有喝西北风了。不相亚洲，你死活关我屁事，我只要能够赚
钱就行。中东一丢，美国就得冒烟了
【在 d*********t 的大作中提到】
: 那就只能事后想办法补救了，反正现在美国还是最强大的国家。
| x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 14 你的意思是如果新上台的领导人不亲美，美国就会对突尼斯埃及等国大打出手？
【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: 大不了，就像伊拉克那样呗，美国十年不打仗，经济就要落后一大截
| s**d
发帖数: 18498 | | P*****l
发帖数: 438 | 16 中东的 status quo 已经非常利于美国了，
考虑到么斯临世界的民意情绪，
任何变化只会向不利于美的方向转变。
We are living in interesting times. | b*****e
发帖数: 5476 | 17 不会的，埃及缺粮又没石油，不听话的政权美国把粮食一断就得下台了。。。
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: Plan B要是执行不了呢，例如伊朗巴列维倒了之后那种情况。
| W*****e
发帖数: 7759 | 18 埃及首都开罗那叫一个破,除了极少数门面街区
【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: 北非革命浪潮到底会波及多大，多远，目前还只是一个未知数.不过伊斯兰世界的蠢蠢
: 欲动是何其明显，突尼斯已经基本成功，老大哥埃及也顶不住了，在中东的沙特好像也
: 有异动的报道。
: 突尼斯，埃及，沙特这些国家有一个共同点就是经济相对稳定，发展势头也不错，民众
: 相对富裕，整个社会已经稳定发展了几十年了，但是政治就比较保守，最明显的就是国
: 家元首基本可以连续执政二十年以上。不过街头革命的意义有多大，成功率如何，对国
: 家政治进程的帮助有多大，还值得期待。这一波浪潮是否能够轻易化解，穆巴拉克，阿
: 普杜拉等等估计得废一番心思了。
: 二十一世纪的第二个十年有多少期待？
: 懒得翻译！
| c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 19 How about Alexandria?
【在 W*****e 的大作中提到】
: 埃及首都开罗那叫一个破,除了极少数门面街区
| f********g
发帖数: 989 | 20 我觉得新加坡比突尼斯还典型，怎么没发生类似的事情呢？ | p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 21 也是哦哈，不过新加坡好像没有谁现在还能当政二十年吧
【在 f********g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得新加坡比突尼斯还典型，怎么没发生类似的事情呢？
| p*****o
发帖数: 82 | 22 新加坡的宗教情况到底怎样
【在 p*****o 的大作中提到】
: 也是哦哈，不过新加坡好像没有谁现在还能当政二十年吧
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