m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 1 李开复太嫩，居然为有点夸张的简历道歉。他应该向弄个假文凭的唐骏学习，搞张假副
教授的聘书。不过李开复和唐骏都是死在不够神通广大，如果有高干子弟前总统小布什
那样的老爹，这事就不算档子事。
有人置疑小布什当年没参过军，只是在军中挂了个号，实际上基本没去服役，只是为了
为日后的仕途镀金。群众要求小布什拿出参军时服役的证据，小布什拿不出，结果由政
府出面告知大众,说当年小布什服役的记录已经丢失了。
高！ | m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 2 李开复如果有小布什那样的老爹，要求CMU公开声明李开复当年副教授的聘用记录丢了
，这事不就摆平了么！ | m******e
发帖数: 2515 | | m******e
发帖数: 2515 | | m***y
发帖数: 14763 | 5 Somehow, I feel like being a rightist today and decide to defend Bush.
Why didn't you pick O8M? He made an university calling a lecturer a "
professor". Not Associate Professor, not a tenure-track assistant professor,
simply a PROFESSOR.
Suck on that. Universities are cheap and will bend over for a penny. If your
penny is big enough, even Harvard/MIT can call a janitor a faculty. I don't
see anything wrong with that, remember, once upon a time, the greatest
Kongfu master was also just a janitor in Temple Shaolin :) | rb
发帖数: 79 | 6 你英语太烂了，人家用的是professor，
没有用Professor!
professor,
your
't
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Somehow, I feel like being a rightist today and decide to defend Bush.
: Why didn't you pick O8M? He made an university calling a lecturer a "
: professor". Not Associate Professor, not a tenure-track assistant professor,
: simply a PROFESSOR.
: Suck on that. Universities are cheap and will bend over for a penny. If your
: penny is big enough, even Harvard/MIT can call a janitor a faculty. I don't
: see anything wrong with that, remember, once upon a time, the greatest
: Kongfu master was also just a janitor in Temple Shaolin :)
| m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 7 It is fine for a Kongfu master to be a janitor in Temple Shaolin. But it is
wrong if he has never served at Shaolin.
People felt sick because Bush claimed he was served in military while he did
not have any record.
You know the difference between Bush and the Kongfu master?
professor,
your
't
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Somehow, I feel like being a rightist today and decide to defend Bush.
: Why didn't you pick O8M? He made an university calling a lecturer a "
: professor". Not Associate Professor, not a tenure-track assistant professor,
: simply a PROFESSOR.
: Suck on that. Universities are cheap and will bend over for a penny. If your
: penny is big enough, even Harvard/MIT can call a janitor a faculty. I don't
: see anything wrong with that, remember, once upon a time, the greatest
: Kongfu master was also just a janitor in Temple Shaolin :)
| rb
发帖数: 79 | 8 btw, 08烂不能说明bush牛
只能说这个社会肿么了
professor,
your
't
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Somehow, I feel like being a rightist today and decide to defend Bush.
: Why didn't you pick O8M? He made an university calling a lecturer a "
: professor". Not Associate Professor, not a tenure-track assistant professor,
: simply a PROFESSOR.
: Suck on that. Universities are cheap and will bend over for a penny. If your
: penny is big enough, even Harvard/MIT can call a janitor a faculty. I don't
: see anything wrong with that, remember, once upon a time, the greatest
: Kongfu master was also just a janitor in Temple Shaolin :)
| rb
发帖数: 79 | 9 你的就是小将逻辑，说到tg不好了
你找个md同样有累死的例子来为tg辩护
professor,
your
't
【在 m***y 的大作中提到】
: Somehow, I feel like being a rightist today and decide to defend Bush.
: Why didn't you pick O8M? He made an university calling a lecturer a "
: professor". Not Associate Professor, not a tenure-track assistant professor,
: simply a PROFESSOR.
: Suck on that. Universities are cheap and will bend over for a penny. If your
: penny is big enough, even Harvard/MIT can call a janitor a faculty. I don't
: see anything wrong with that, remember, once upon a time, the greatest
: Kongfu master was also just a janitor in Temple Shaolin :)
| d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 10
你就不用造谣了
布什还是有不少文件证明他服役了，包括飞行记录，你说的什么“丢失”是错误的
倒是奥巴马一直不敢晒他的成绩单
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 李开复太嫩，居然为有点夸张的简历道歉。他应该向弄个假文凭的唐骏学习，搞张假副
: 教授的聘书。不过李开复和唐骏都是死在不够神通广大，如果有高干子弟前总统小布什
: 那样的老爹，这事就不算档子事。
: 有人置疑小布什当年没参过军，只是在军中挂了个号，实际上基本没去服役，只是为了
: 为日后的仕途镀金。群众要求小布什拿出参军时服役的证据，小布什拿不出，结果由政
: 府出面告知大众,说当年小布什服役的记录已经丢失了。
: 高！
| | | k*********t
发帖数: 2999 | 11 李开复的简历一点不夸张。自传不等于简历。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 李开复太嫩，居然为有点夸张的简历道歉。他应该向弄个假文凭的唐骏学习，搞张假副
: 教授的聘书。不过李开复和唐骏都是死在不够神通广大，如果有高干子弟前总统小布什
: 那样的老爹，这事就不算档子事。
: 有人置疑小布什当年没参过军，只是在军中挂了个号，实际上基本没去服役，只是为了
: 为日后的仕途镀金。群众要求小布什拿出参军时服役的证据，小布什拿不出，结果由政
: 府出面告知大众,说当年小布什服役的记录已经丢失了。
: 高！
| w********w
发帖数: 1550 | 12 布什那个属于误传吧。布什亲述的自传里专门说了，他后来出示了证据。他是国民警卫
队的飞行员，怎么可能没记录？
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 李开复太嫩，居然为有点夸张的简历道歉。他应该向弄个假文凭的唐骏学习，搞张假副
: 教授的聘书。不过李开复和唐骏都是死在不够神通广大，如果有高干子弟前总统小布什
: 那样的老爹，这事就不算档子事。
: 有人置疑小布什当年没参过军，只是在军中挂了个号，实际上基本没去服役，只是为了
: 为日后的仕途镀金。群众要求小布什拿出参军时服役的证据，小布什拿不出，结果由政
: 府出面告知大众,说当年小布什服役的记录已经丢失了。
: 高！
| m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 13 "布什亲述的自传里专门说了"?!
Hahahaha!!!!
【在 w********w 的大作中提到】
: 布什那个属于误传吧。布什亲述的自传里专门说了，他后来出示了证据。他是国民警卫
: 队的飞行员，怎么可能没记录？
| x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 14 克林顿也是纯聊天。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: "布什亲述的自传里专门说了"?!
: Hahahaha!!!!
| b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 15 布什当过国民警卫队员。但是没有去越南打过仗。当时美国是要服兵役的。当然了如果
上大学读研，就不用去越南了。另外到了警卫队也不用去越南。布什老爸把布什搞到警
卫队，他就不用去越南了。克林顿没有好老爸，但是去读法学院，也不用去越南。 | A*****a
发帖数: 52743 | 16 John Kerry呢
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 布什当过国民警卫队员。但是没有去越南打过仗。当时美国是要服兵役的。当然了如果
: 上大学读研，就不用去越南了。另外到了警卫队也不用去越南。布什老爸把布什搞到警
: 卫队，他就不用去越南了。克林顿没有好老爸，但是去读法学院，也不用去越南。
| b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 17 他去越南服役了。而且他回来作为反战的代表，去参加过国会听证会。
04年大选一个热点，就是kerry是不是去过柬埔寨？
【在 A*****a 的大作中提到】
: John Kerry呢
| m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 18 唐骏"亲述的自传里专门说了", he is a real PhD.
【在 w********w 的大作中提到】
: 布什那个属于误传吧。布什亲述的自传里专门说了，他后来出示了证据。他是国民警卫
: 队的飞行员，怎么可能没记录？
| x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 19 这个phD和李开复的副教授都是一个意思。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 唐骏"亲述的自传里专门说了", he is a real PhD.
| b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 20 当时这个news是CBS, Dan Rather报的。后来被发现是假消息，Dan Rather道歉了，自
己也被CBS勒令退休。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: "布什亲述的自传里专门说了"?!
: Hahahaha!!!!
| | | b*****d
发帖数: 61690 | 21 On September 8, 2004, Rather reported on 60 Minutes Wednesday that a series
of memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard
service record had been discovered in the personal files of Lt. Bush's
former commanding officer, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian.[17] Once copies of the
documents were made available on the internet, their authenticity was
quickly called into question. Much of this was based on the fact that the
documents were proportionally printed and displayed other modern typographic
conventions unavailable on military typewriters of the 1970s. This led to
claims that the memos were forgeries.[18] The accusations then spread over
the following days into mainstream media outlets including The Washington
Post,[19] The New York Times,[20] and the Chicago Sun-Times.[21]
Rather and CBS initially defended the story, insisting that the documents
had been authenticated by experts.[22] CBS was contradicted by some of the
experts it originally cited,[23] and later reported that its source for the
documents – former Texas Army National Guard officer Lt. Col. Bill Burkett
– had misled the network about how he had obtained them.[24]
On September 20, CBS retracted the story. Rather stated, "If I knew then
what I know now, I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired,
and I certainly would not have used the documents in question."[25] The
controversy has been referred to by some as "Memogate" and "Rathergate."[26]
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 当时这个news是CBS, Dan Rather报的。后来被发现是假消息，Dan Rather道歉了，自
: 己也被CBS勒令退休。
| p****y
发帖数: 23737 | 22 他的CV没有问题，都是真实的，就是自传有吹牛之嫌，
但是没有自传是不往脸上贴金的，真要用放大镜挑人的刺，
可以说书店里所有自传都有问题，所有作者都是吹牛造假。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 李开复太嫩，居然为有点夸张的简历道歉。他应该向弄个假文凭的唐骏学习，搞张假副
: 教授的聘书。不过李开复和唐骏都是死在不够神通广大，如果有高干子弟前总统小布什
: 那样的老爹，这事就不算档子事。
: 有人置疑小布什当年没参过军，只是在军中挂了个号，实际上基本没去服役，只是为了
: 为日后的仕途镀金。群众要求小布什拿出参军时服役的证据，小布什拿不出，结果由政
: 府出面告知大众,说当年小布什服役的记录已经丢失了。
: 高！
| x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 23 要是爱因斯坦写自传，把AP年份提早两年，根本就没人在乎。
不过对于开复来说，26岁副教授，和奥巴马睡过，这就是卖点。
【在 p****y 的大作中提到】
: 他的CV没有问题，都是真实的，就是自传有吹牛之嫌，
: 但是没有自传是不往脸上贴金的，真要用放大镜挑人的刺，
: 可以说书店里所有自传都有问题，所有作者都是吹牛造假。
| w********w
发帖数: 1550 | 24 你这么想，就有点好笑了。你认为一个总统写自己自传，一个在美国混的公共人物，写
自传时专门提到这个问题，并且给出了时间，相关证据，以及最后的处理结果，可能是
假的吗？如果真的是污点，他肯定不会提，这样也不会有人再问。
你可以看看21楼，给列出的证据。唉，不是这个人，其实还算是挺实在的，虽然当初不
喜欢他，现在才觉得他是对中国不错的，政策也比奥巴马靠谱。
与其乱喷，你看看他的自传，找出来证据在反驳。你能把微软村官级人物跟当了8年的
美国大统领相比，挺有思想的阿。呵呵。
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 唐骏"亲述的自传里专门说了", he is a real PhD.
| w********w
发帖数: 1550 | 25 是啊，布什自述时，专门提了这件事。自传讲的主要讲的是重大决策的前前后后，专门
提出这件事，也说明他是很气愤，很无辜。
series
the
typographic
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: On September 8, 2004, Rather reported on 60 Minutes Wednesday that a series
: of memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard
: service record had been discovered in the personal files of Lt. Bush's
: former commanding officer, Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian.[17] Once copies of the
: documents were made available on the internet, their authenticity was
: quickly called into question. Much of this was based on the fact that the
: documents were proportionally printed and displayed other modern typographic
: conventions unavailable on military typewriters of the 1970s. This led to
: claims that the memos were forgeries.[18] The accusations then spread over
: the following days into mainstream media outlets including The Washington
| m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 26 你那个“当了8年的美国大统领”，面对全世界群众明亮的眼睛，公然制造的关于伊拉
克大规模杀伤性武器的骗局，你看来已经选择地忘掉了？这样的骗局一般"村官级人物"
还真的造不出。
"你这么想，就有点好笑了。"
You "Too simple, sometimes naive".
【在 w********w 的大作中提到】
: 你这么想，就有点好笑了。你认为一个总统写自己自传，一个在美国混的公共人物，写
: 自传时专门提到这个问题，并且给出了时间，相关证据，以及最后的处理结果，可能是
: 假的吗？如果真的是污点，他肯定不会提，这样也不会有人再问。
: 你可以看看21楼，给列出的证据。唉，不是这个人，其实还算是挺实在的，虽然当初不
: 喜欢他，现在才觉得他是对中国不错的，政策也比奥巴马靠谱。
: 与其乱喷，你看看他的自传，找出来证据在反驳。你能把微软村官级人物跟当了8年的
: 美国大统领相比，挺有思想的阿。呵呵。
| c*********d
发帖数: 9770 | 27 On September 8, 2004 60 Minutes aired a report on President Bush's Air
National Guard service, based on notes from the personal records of the late
Lieutenant Colonel Jerry B. Killian. These consisted of multiple memos
regarding Bush's failure to attend a physical and meet other standard
requirements. Lieutenant Killian had died in 1984 and CBS relied on the
opinion of handwriting analysts and document experts who believed the
material was authentic.
"Documents obtained by the CBS News program "60 Minutes" shed new light on
one of the most controversial episodes in Bush's military service, when he
abruptly stopped flying and moved from Texas to Alabama to work on a
political campaign."
" The documents include a memo from Bush's squadron commander, Lt. Col.
Jerry B. Killian, ordering Bush "to be suspended from flight status for
failure to perform" to U.S. Air Force and National Guard standards and
failure to take his annual physical "as ordered."
"The documents alleged that President Bush failed to carry out a direct
order from his superior in the Texas Air National Guard in May 1972 to
undertake a medical examination that was necessary for him to remain a
qualified pilot."
"A spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," Kelli Edwards, declined to say exactly how
the new documents were obtained other than that CBS News understood they had
been taken from Killian's "personal office file." In addition to the order
to Bush to report for a physical, the documents include various memos from
Killian describing his conversations with Bush and other National Guard
officers about Bush's attempts to secure a transfer to Alabama. Killian died
in 1984."
"Phone call from Bush," Killian recorded in a "memo to file" dated May 19,
1972. "Discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now
through November."
According to "60 Minutes," Killian's personal files show that he ordered
Bush "suspended from flight status" on Aug. 1, 1972. National Guard
documents already released by the White House and the Pentagon show that
Bush was suspended from flight status on that day for "failure to accomplish
annual medical examination" but do not mention his alleged failure to
comply with National Guard and Air Force standards.
In another "memo to file," dated Aug. 18, 1973, Killian complained that he
was under pressure from his superior, Col. Walter B. "Buck" Staudt, to "
sugar coat" Bush's officer evaluations. "I'm having trouble running
interference and doing my job," he wrote in a memo titled "CYA." "I will not
rate."
Staudt has insisted that he was not influenced by Bush's status as the son
of George H.W. Bush (R), a Texas congressman in 1968 and later head of the
CIA. He has also rejected the assertion by former Texas lieutenant governor
Ben Barnes (D) that Barnes intervened with the head of the Texas Air
National Guard to secure a position for Bush there at the request of a Bush
family friend. Barnes, who has raised money for Democrat John F. Kerry's
presidential campaign, repeated the assertion last night on "60 Minutes."
Lieutenant Killian had died in 1984 and CBS relied on the opinion of
handwriting analysts and document experts who believed the material was
authentic.
The following day I was contacted by an attorney in Baltimore representing
the FOX network asking my opinion. Minutes later a conference call was set
up between myself, two other network attorneys and two executives of the FOX
network. After reviewing my credentials in detail they asked if I be
willing to give my opinion on national television in a few hours, in front
of 50 million viewers nationwide!
A variety of issues pointed to the documents being forgeries and produced
using a modern computer/word processor:
Most importantly the examiners did not look at the original documents, a
cardinal rule in document examination. Computer enhancement, laser printing
or typewriting, and any alteration of the document can be easily detected by
microscopic and macroscopic evaluations.
The memos were typed in a proportionally spaced font, Times New Roman. In
1972 people in the military did use typewriters for producing such memos
however these typewriters used mono-spaced fonts. The use of proportionally
spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the
introduction high-end word processing systems from Xerox and Wang, and later
laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were
not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, one required
typesetting equipment to produce such a spacing which was not widely
available and not used for personal memos to be filed away in a personal
folder. Even the Wang and other systems that were dominant in the mid 80's
used mono-spaced fonts.
The documents were likely run through a copier for 15 generations to make
them look old. This would result in lines running along the sides of the
Xerox copy, giving them an aged appearance.
The "Memo To File" of August 18, 1973 also used specialized typesetting
characters not used on typewriters. These include the superscript "th" in
187th, and consistent use of a right single quotation mark instead of a
typewriter's generic apostrophe. These are the sort of mistakes that are
seen with the use of "smart correction" in programs like Microsoft Word. A
typesetters would have to do this manually until the advent of word
processors with "autocorrect"
Variable type was used only for special printing jobs, like official
pamphlets. The Varitype machine was incredibly difficult to set up and use.
It was also extremely hard to correct mistakes on the machine. Most small
letters used two spaces. Capital letters generally used three spaces. I
think letters like "i" may have used one space. This type of machine was
piloted by an expert, and it would never be used for a routine memo. A Lt.
Colonel would not have access to a Varitype machine, let alone the knowledge
to use it.
US Military paper at the time was not 8 1/2 x 11. It was 8 x 10 1/2.
"147 th Ftr.Intrcp Gp." appears in the August 1, 1972 document. The military
liked to bunch these words together. In the August 18, 1973 memo to file
the document actually does have the tiny "th" in "187th" and there is simply
no way this could have occurred in 1973. There are no keys on any
typewriter in common use in 1973 which could produce a tiny "th."
Although IBM Selectric typewriter with proportional type balls were widely
available in the public the Selectric was available only in mono type. At
that time anyone who wanted proportional type used either the IBM Executive
typewriter or IBM Composer. The Composer was an expensive and complicated
piece of equipment which would normally be found only in printing and
communications departments.
In the Air Force Memos were not used for orders, as the one ordering 1LT
Bush to take a physical. This would have done as a letter, of which a copy
should have been sent to the CBPO (Consolidated Base Personnel Office) to be
filed in 1LT Bush's military record. Memos did not get filed in personnel
records.
In the Air Force in 1971 computers were used only for updating records data.
The Air Force was the first branch of the military to use a mainframe (
Burroughs B-3500) computer for updating military records. Punch cards were
used up until then. There were no Word Processors used until the late 1970's
or early 1980's. Typewriters were still used extensively until the mid-
1980s.
As far as an Officer Effectiveness Report (OER) on Bush, unless he was under
a supervisor for X number of days during a reporting period, no report
could be written. Under special circumstances, a report could be written
with only 60 days of supervision. The period may cover an extended period.
The type in the document is KERNED. Kerning is the typsetter's art of
spacing various letters in such a manner that they are 'grouped' for better
readability. Word processors do this automatically. No typewriter can
physically do this. The letter 'O' is curved on the outside. A letter such
as 'T' has indented space under its cross bar. On a typewriter if one types
an 'O' next to a 'T' then both letters remain separated by their physical
space. When you type the same letters on a computer next to each other they
are automatically 'kerned' or 'grouped' so that their individual spaces
actually overlap, e. g., TO. As one can readily see the curvature of the 'O'
nestles neatly under the cross bar of the 'T'. Two good kerning examples in
the alleged memo are the word 'my' in the second line where 'm' and 'y' are
neatly kerned and also the word 'not' in the fourth line where the 'o' and
't' overlap empty space. A typewriter doesn't 'know' what particular letter
is next to another and can't make those types of aesthetic adjustments.
The kerning and proportional spacing in each of the lines of type track
exactly with 12 point Times Roman font on a six inch margin (left justified)
. In other words, the sentences break just as they would on a computer and
not as they would on a typewriter. Since the type on the memo is both
proportionally spaced and kerned the lines of type break at certain
instances (i.e., the last word in each line of the first paragraph are - 1.
running, 2. regarding, 3. rating, 4. is, 5. either). If the memo was created
on a typewriter the line breaks would be at different words (e. g., the
word 'running' is at the absolute outside edge of the sentence and would
probably not be on the first line).
The sentences have a wide variance in their amount of kerning and
proportional spacing. Notice how the first line of the first paragraph seems
squished together and little hard to read but the last line of the first
paragraph has wider more open spacing. Even the characters themselves are
squished in the first line (as a computer does automatically) and more
spread out on the last line where there is more room. There's no way a
typewriter could 'set' the type in this memo and even a good typesetter
using a Linotype machine of the era would have to spend hours getting this
effect.
CBS verified the authenticity of the documents by talking to individuals who
stated they had seen the documents at the time they were written. These
individuals were close associates of Colonel Jerry Killian and also
confirmed that the documents reflected his opinions at the time the
documents were written.
CBS later changed their story to say that the documents were not authentic,
but that the opinions they express were authentic, based on the hearsay
reports of anonymous persons alleged to be close associates of Col. Killian,
who recall his views of thirty-two years ago! This is what passes for "
authentication" in the mainstream media! FYI: Handwriting analysis and the
art of forgery detection have many names, including document examination,
questioned document examination, questioned writing analysis, handwriting
evaluation, questioned handwriting examination, questioned signature
verification, forgery evaluation, forgery analysis. A handwriting examiner
is also referred to as a document examiner, handwriting expert, handwriting
specialist, handprinting examiner, handprinting expert or a specialist in
forgery detection. Questioned document examination and forgery detection
differ from graphology also called behavior profiling in that a questioned
document examiner is concerned about authenticating the writing through
comparison with know samples, as compared to evaluating the psychological
and personality traits of the author. | m******e
发帖数: 2515 | 28 你就不要再提CBS，CNN这些媒体了，他们的信誉已经因在北京奥运前公然海量造谣而彻
底破产了。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 当时这个news是CBS, Dan Rather报的。后来被发现是假消息，Dan Rather道歉了，自
: 己也被CBS勒令退休。
| w********w
发帖数: 1550 | 29 所以我就说你去看看他自传，他没有说什么伊拉克果然有大杀器，也承认了这件事情做
错了，前因后果都有。
没事多看看书，不要太满，太偏。你这样是无法真正体会到江说"Too simple,
sometimes naive"那时的心境的。
物"
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】
: 你那个“当了8年的美国大统领”，面对全世界群众明亮的眼睛，公然制造的关于伊拉
: 克大规模杀伤性武器的骗局，你看来已经选择地忘掉了？这样的骗局一般"村官级人物"
: 还真的造不出。
: "你这么想，就有点好笑了。"
: You "Too simple, sometimes naive".
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