d*******3
发帖数: 8598 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
Lab members:
Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
-rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
projects.
One year ago, when we first moved to Berkeley, I expressed clearly to
everyone my expectation from each one in the lab. The most important thing
is what I consider to be sufficient amount of time and effort in the lab
work. I mentioned that about 60 hr working time per week is what I consider
the minimal time an average successful young scientist in these days has to
put into the lab work.
There may be a few rare lucky fellows like Florian, who had two Nature
papers in his sleeve already, can enjoy life for a while and still get a job
offer from Harvard. Nobody else in the lab has Florian's luxury to play
around. Thus I am imposing strict rules in the lab from now on:
Everyone works at least 50 hr a week in the lab（e.g.8+ hr a day, six days a
week）. This is by far lower than what I am doing every day and throughout
most of my career. You may be smarter or do not want to be successful, but I
am not asking you to match my time in the lab.
By working, I mean real bench work. This does not include surfing on the
computer and sending and receiving e-mails for non-scientific matters
unrelated to your work（you can do this after work in the lab or at home,
and excessive chatting on nonscientific matters. No long lunch break except
special occasions. I suggest that everyone puts in at least 6 hr
concentrated bench work and 2+ hr reading and other research-related
activity each day. Reading papers and books should be done mostly after work
. More time can be spent on reading, literature search and writing during
working hours when you are ready for writing a paper.
I must be informeded in person by e-mail（even in my absence from the lab）
when you are absent from the lab for a whole day or more. Inform me early
your vacation plan. Taking more than 20 working days out of one year is the
maximum to me. In fact, none of you are reporting any vacation and sick
leave on your time sheet（against the university rule, although I have been
signing the sheets）, but you know roughly how many days you were not here.
On the whole, I understand and accept the fact that you may not fulfill the
above requirements all the time, due to health reasons, occasional personal
business. But if you do not like to follow the rules because it is simply a
matter of choice of life style, I respect your choice but suggest you start
making plans immediately and leave the lab by the end of January 31. I will
do my best to help you to locate a lab to transfer or to find a job. If you
do accept the conditions I describe above, I am happy to continue to provide
my best support to your work, hopefully more than I have done in the past.
I will review the progress of everyone in the lab by the end of June of 2002
. I expect everyone to have made sufficient progress in the research so that
a good paper is in sight（at least to the level of J.Neuroscience. If you
cannot meet this goal at that time, I will have to ask you to prepare to
leave my lab by the end of August.
As a scientist, you must dedicate everything to this business 8-hour is
unpractical. There is NO way for a scientist or a Ph.D student to work only
8 hours a day!
Go to your mother’s house for afternoon naps and never come back!
5 weeks per year (Chinese New Year, the May Day and the National Day breaks
are included)
Start your morning work not later than 8:30 am and afternoon work no later
than 1 pm
Surf over the Internet for non-scientific purposes should be less than 30
min a day
Reading newspapers should be limited less than 30 min a day
Novels or other non-scientific journals/magazines are not permitted in the
lab and office
If you are absent from the lab more than one hour, get permission first.
Everyone has personal business, but the lab business always has priority
unless in emergency
In this business, an“average”student who works seven days a week is
definitely more productive than a“genius”who works five days a week
If you are able to make any major progresses by working 8 hours a day and 5
days a week, every fortunate in this world must be on your side!
施一公对此表示深以为然，而且认为应该加到60小时/周。
据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限了。 |
B*********a
发帖数: 6244 | 2 跟这王八蛋比起来，我老板就是天使
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
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n******n
发帖数: 12088 | 3 垃圾老板，垃圾专业。
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | |
a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 5 postdoc 也就40K，不可能过50K， 有可能低于40K
博士有25K吗？
我是说现在。
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 这么狠，能给多少钱啊。尼玛连上网时间都要限制
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d*****t
发帖数: 7903 | 6 Poo's lab ---天，能拼得更恶心点吗？ |
r*****t
发帖数: 4793 | 7 活脱脱的生物奴隶主
傻逼总以为自己搞的是高大上的科学
其实不过是门生意而已 |
s****y
发帖数: 18685 | 8 这信居然敢写得大义凌然。难道生物圈的pi为了自己成功基本的脸都不要了么 |
s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 9 斯坦福的博士生有3K了，博士后应该有5K
【在 a*******m 的大作中提到】
: postdoc 也就40K，不可能过50K， 有可能低于40K
: 博士有25K吗？
: 我是说现在。
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 10 有这劲头转当码农，早就吃上共产主义大食堂了
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 活脱脱的生物奴隶主
: 傻逼总以为自己搞的是高大上的科学
: 其实不过是门生意而已
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A*****7
发帖数: 197 | 11
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
|
A*****7
发帖数: 197 | 12 活拖拖一现代奴隶主， 看了看近年文章， 出去院士专刊上灌水， 其实也出不了啥。
【在 A*****7 的大作中提到】
:
: no
: first
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x*******6
发帖数: 994 | 13 不懂生物专业，难道就靠使劲做就能出东四，idea不是更重要？
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
|
a*****n
发帖数: 2499 | |
w********r
发帖数: 1825 | 15 这玩意儿是假的吧? 这些东西写到邮件里会被告死的 |
v**********m
发帖数: 5516 | 16 不是假的。
【在 w********r 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意儿是假的吧? 这些东西写到邮件里会被告死的
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g***j
发帖数: 40861 | |
l****t
发帖数: 36289 | |
x********e
发帖数: 35261 | 19 一个成功生物PhD，每周60小时挺正常的。美国教授也说过这话。不过要不要当成功PhD
是个人选择，PI没资格规定。
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
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l****t
发帖数: 36289 | |
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x********e
发帖数: 35261 | 21 孤陋寡闻
【在 a*******m 的大作中提到】
: postdoc 也就40K，不可能过50K， 有可能低于40K
: 博士有25K吗？
: 我是说现在。
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g***j
发帖数: 40861 | |
a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 23 就是这个行情，爱卖不卖，
你不卖，不干，有的是人干。
就是这么任性！
【在 g***j 的大作中提到】
: 生物版一帮奴隶和奴隶总管还不以为然
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l******n
发帖数: 11737 | 24 要不要读phD都是你自愿，60小时一周六天，一天10小时，扣去吃饭一小时也就比上班
族多一小时，生物这东西好多时候做细胞到点了就得去，细胞老鼠又不等人。做出来东
西发了文章是给自己前途增添筹码，这就跟读书一样，放学了你还得有家庭作业还得自
我强化吧，把读博当工作那是大错特错，最好趁早改行，没人逼着读。
PhD
【在 x********e 的大作中提到】
: 一个成功生物PhD，每周60小时挺正常的。美国教授也说过这话。不过要不要当成功PhD
: 是个人选择，PI没资格规定。
:
: no
: first
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m********e
发帖数: 349 | 25 有这封邮件，博士后学生能去告他么？没有pay extra time,但是要求强制加班。
还有一点，一个实验室靠lab intense 来变得productive, 这个实验室基本也不会有大
发展啦。 |
a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 26 基本上每个productive的lab， lab intense是必须的。
那些数据出来，都要花时间的，没时间投入，是肯定不行的。
但是，为什么这么这么intense的投入，却这么low 的pay，
这是最大的问题。
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 有这封邮件，博士后学生能去告他么？没有pay extra time,但是要求强制加班。
: 还有一点，一个实验室靠lab intense 来变得productive, 这个实验室基本也不会有大
: 发展啦。
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x********e
发帖数: 35261 | 27 蒲绝对不是好mentor
【在 a*******m 的大作中提到】
: 基本上每个productive的lab， lab intense是必须的。
: 那些数据出来，都要花时间的，没时间投入，是肯定不行的。
: 但是，为什么这么这么intense的投入，却这么low 的pay，
: 这是最大的问题。
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t********t
发帖数: 1070 | 28 这种傻逼叫兽自己过得跟狗一样，让手下过得也跟狗一样，瞎鸡巴折腾一辈子，除了折
腾出几篇屌用没有的屌文章，还能创造出什么。这种傻逼叫兽自己连怎么做人都没学会
就去教人，真他妈逼的笑话。以前康奶儿那个把自己学生送监狱的Lei' s Lab 也是这
个屌德性。看来中国叫兽加生物，简直就是死亡组合。
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
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b*****y
发帖数: 846 | 29 phd, postdoc 是所谓的training, 无labor dept. 保护。 奴隶主可以为所欲为。
【在 w********r 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意儿是假的吧? 这些东西写到邮件里会被告死的
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h******1
发帖数: 16295 | |
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J**S
发帖数: 25790 | 31 呵呵，这好像还被某些IP做为标准来要求。。
说，你看人家蒲教授都这样要求。。
no
first
【在 d*******3 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
: 发信人: dfbb (东方不败), 信区: Biology
: 标 题: 是时候祭出这封电子邮件了！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 00:27:36 2015, 美东)
: 著名华人生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件，大家欣赏一下。
: Lab members:
: Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
: drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
: -rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
: over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
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h******1
发帖数: 16295 | 32 亲眼所见，在国内某实验室贴着这个的中文版。
【在 J**S 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，这好像还被某些IP做为标准来要求。。
: 说，你看人家蒲教授都这样要求。。
:
: no
: first
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N******K
发帖数: 10202 | 33 11g?
【在 h******1 的大作中提到】
: 亲眼所见，在国内某实验室贴着这个的中文版。
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